Female Spy model WIP - Games

Also if your going to do Female pyro please don't make your busty like all the female pyro skins.

[QUOTE=Simski;23496317]Alia, if you ever do a female Pyro... please make her have wide hips :3: Is it possible to replace existing props in TF2 with new models? I think that if someone released a female Pyro, it would be really nat if they replaced the purse with a jockstrap :v:[/QUOTE] Doesn't the pyro already have wide hips? v: If I did do a pyro, there wouldn't really be too many changes, you could put almots anything under that suit and it wouldn't look much different. But yeah, I could adjust the figure somewhat, but I'd have to think about the design more. Also, if you know where the location of the prop is, I'm guessing it's possible to make a new item and package it along with the rest of the mod, in its original directory.

[QUOTE=ChemicalAlia;23496386]Doesn't the pyro already have wide hips? v: If I did do a pyro, there wouldn't really be too many changes, you could put almots anything under that suit and it wouldn't look much different. But yeah, I could adjust the figure somewhat, but I'd have to think about the design more.[/quote] Pyro does already have somewhat wide hips, and therefor his hips should be even more awesome if he was a woman :3: I agree with the people saying she shouldn't have any major boobage as it ruins his silhouette, however I believe that altering his hips would work as a good way to womanize him without ruining his bodyshape. [QUOTE=ChemicalAlia;23496386]Also, if you know where the location of the prop is, I'm guessing it's possible to make a new item and package it along with the rest of the mod, in its original directory.[/QUOTE] I'm very incompetent when it comes to anything but critique and advice :( I'm sure a lot of the talanted modelers and mappers around here could help you find that though.

[QUOTE=ChemicalAlia;23493639]Oh, gotcha. I can do that, though I probably won't go as far as to change the hair she has underneath the scarf too much (which is a short style to avoid clipping). [/QUOTE] Danka Danka!

[QUOTE=ChemicalAlia;23496386]Doesn't the pyro already have wide hips? v: If I did do a pyro, there wouldn't really be too many changes, you could put almots anything under that suit and it wouldn't look much different. But yeah, I could adjust the figure somewhat, but I'd have to think about the design more.[/QUOTE] Well that's why it would have a different suit, like this spy... right?

[QUOTE=NeoDement;23505369]Well that's why it would have a different suit, like this spy... right?[/QUOTE] I'm honestly not a fan of changing a design so tailored to its purpose and functionality, solely on the grounds of the wearer's gender. It's not fashion, but a protective suit. In other words, I can't justify why a female pyro wouldn't wear the exact same thing (since gratuitous sexuality is out). It's one of my pet peeves in game character design, especially when it comes to uniforms and stuff.

-bump- Havent been on for a few days, just say what she looks like, and it seems to match VERY well. Is her going to be in a cigarette holder? Also, any luck with the voice files (as in anybody up for it)?

Blimey, just imagine that model doing the Crabwalk...

[QUOTE=ChemicalAlia;23506319]I'm honestly not a fan of changing a design so tailored to its purpose and functionality, solely on the grounds of the wearer's gender. It's not fashion, but a protective suit. In other words, I can't justify why a female pyro wouldn't wear the exact same thing (since gratuitous sexuality is out). It's one of my pet peeves in game character design, especially when it comes to uniforms and stuff.[/QUOTE] It's for distinction :|

Speaking of distinction, is it possible to get a silhouette comparison to the rest of the "original" team?

[QUOTE=gagaters;23588781]-bump- Havent been on for a few days, just say what she looks like, and it seems to match VERY well. Is her going to be in a cigarette holder? Also, any luck with the voice files (as in anybody up for it)?[/QUOTE] Glad you like it. I get questions about the cigarette holder practically every day. It's a great idea, visually, and builds on her character, but I can't see how it would possibly work without a lot of extra work. Animations would have to be faked or changed, which would make them longer, since she can't pull a cigarette attached to a holder out of the cigarette case. And at what point in the game would she be holding it, during battle? Doesn't really make practical sense. I could see doing one for the Gmod/machinima people, though. [QUOTE=NeoDement;23588897]It's for distinction :|[/QUOTE] That's my point though. Making the distinction solely for the sake of gender is what aggravates me. When I was in the army, I didn't look any different than anyone else around me when wearing heavy MOP 4 gear. Or in HL2, you don't see separate female CP models, though it is suggested they join. People just tend to look the same when they're completely obscured by bulk. If I made changes, they would be slight, since I can't justify the fact that it's a female alone as reason enough to redesign the cool suit that already exists, since it works fine for a female. I also haven't completely decided yet whether I'll even do the Pyro or not, though that jockstrap idea is golden.

[QUOTE=ChemicalAlia;23590926]I also haven't completely decided yet whether I'll even do the Pyro or not, though that jockstrap idea is golden.[/QUOTE] Thanks :love: I hope you do though, I'm afraid we'll just be getting overly sexualized versions otherwise :(

[QUOTE=Simski;23591556]Thanks :love: I hope you do though, I'm afraid we'll just be getting overly sexualized versions otherwise :([/QUOTE] I actually thought that the one with the full suit and huge, saggy tits (not the bikini one) was intended to be a hilariously-shaped 60-something for the longest time.

[QUOTE=ChemicalAlia;23591682]I actually thought that the one with the full suit and huge, saggy tits (not the bikini one) was intended to be a hilariously-shaped 60-something for the longest time.[/QUOTE] Do you mean the Anime girl with the thing on her head that looks like some strange sea-creature... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJsCol4nwkI&feature=related[/media] ...or do you mean the Pyro that looks like an old woman that used to star in porn flicks when she was younger? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly8antfLbWQ&feature=related[/media] [editline]06:31PM[/editline] I'll admit though... If I had to choose between those two, I'd choose the ones with the covered face. Considering how I have a thing for wide hips and women twice my own age :v:

[QUOTE=Simski;23591887]Do you mean the Anime girl with the thing on her head that looks like some strange sea-creature... [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJsCol4nwkI&feature=related[/media] ...or do you mean the Pyro that looks like an old woman that used to star in porn flicks when she was younger? [media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly8antfLbWQ&feature=related[/media] [editline]06:31PM[/editline] I'll admit though... If I had to choose between those two, I'd choose the ones with the covered face. Considering how I have a thing for wide hips and women twice my own age :v:[/QUOTE] Haha, yeah, the Grandma pyro. Strange that the only part that truly bugged me was the lack of straps on the tank, so it looked extruded out of her back. It'd be interesting to take that silhouette and try to figure out what the person underneath it would look like.

For a female Pyro, pretty much all you'd have to do is make the suit look a bit tighter. It'd make the Pyro look thinner and define the body a bit more to make it more obviously a girl, while still keeping the full suit.

[QUOTE=BlueFlash;23597259]For a female Pyro, pretty much all you'd have to do is make the suit look a bit tighter. It'd make the Pyro look thinner and define the body a bit more to make it more obviously a girl, while still keeping the full suit.[/QUOTE] I don't want to make it tighter, and I don't think it needs to be made more obvious that it's a girl. I just explained this, but maybe I'm being unclear somehow in describing my approach to these things.

Just give the normal a pyro a hat that says "Foxy Grandma" and it'll work as the female pyro.

[QUOTE=ChemicalAlia;23597480]I don't want to make it tighter, and I don't think it needs to be made more obvious that it's a girl. I just explained this, but maybe I'm being unclear somehow in describing my approach to these things.[/QUOTE] Well what I got from what you said about it was that you don't want to make huge changes just to point out "Hey, this person right here's a girl!". At least, that's what I got from it.

Portrait angle looks like Sarah Palin.

[QUOTE=Sharc;23597927]Just give the normal a pyro a hat that says "Foxy Grandma" and it'll work as the female pyro.[/QUOTE] [img]http://p2.p.pixnet.net/albums/userpics/2/1/890421/498e299fc22db.jpg[/img]

Since the spy has this magnificent head piece [img_thumb]http://tf2wiki.net/w/images/5/53/Powderwig.png[/img_thumb] The female spy must have something of equally epic proportions [img_thumb]http://images.joke.co.uk/images/webshop/medium/62754.jpg[/img_thumb] just saying

[QUOTE=Couch Commando;23601093]The female spy must have something of equally epic proportions [img_thumb]http://images.joke.co.uk/images/webshop/medium/62754.jpg[/img_thumb] just saying[/QUOTE] Oh, totally. That's an awesome idea. I did a face/color study last night before bed. But it was 2:30 AM and I didn't realize the colors on my tablet were calibrated way off, thanks to several consecutive days of sleep deprivation. I'm going to spend a little more time on the Art Pass contest, and complete a few more essential assets/textures for my friend, then I'll get back to finishing this Spy. I haven't forgotten about it or anything. [IMG]http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/222/4/a/Spy_lady_by_ChemicalAlia.jpg[/IMG]

That's some good shit.

Oh Shit, I thought this died, nice drawing. You can work on Art Pass, we aren't going anywhere :)

[QUOTE=ChemicalAlia;23596432]Haha, yeah, the Grandma pyro. Strange that the only part that truly bugged me was the lack of straps on the tank, so it looked extruded out of her back. It'd be interesting to take that silhouette and try to figure out what the person underneath it would look like.[/QUOTE] Out of all the current female Pyro skins, I admit I like the "Grandma Pyro" the best :v: I think it had some good parts, but it's respectability was ruined by how overly sexualized it was. I think it was nice to finally have a female Pyro skin with a suit that still looks a lot like the old one, and I found that having the grenade belt strapped around the hips was a really nice touch. However the giant jiggleboned breasts, giant ass, and the extremely skintight suit absolutely just made it obvious that it was never intended to be anything more than fapping material. I think that if you ever made a female Pyro you should probably do something similar to the "Femme Pyro", however make it look believable rather than just stupid eye-candy for horny teenagers. [editline]03:34PM[/editline] [QUOTE=ChemicalAlia;23971482]Oh, totally. That's an awesome idea. I did a face/color study last night before bed. But it was 2:30 AM and I didn't realize the colors on my tablet were calibrated way off, thanks to several consecutive days of sleep deprivation. I'm going to spend a little more time on the Art Pass contest, and complete a few more essential assets/textures for my friend, then I'll get back to finishing this Spy. I haven't forgotten about it or anything. [IMG]http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2010/222/4/a/Spy_lady_by_ChemicalAlia.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE] I love the painting, I do hope your model will be just as awesome. Also, do you have an artpass thread up yet? I would like to see how far you've gotten :O

Alia you are my hero. This stuff is so great.

Thanks, you guys. Didn't mean to give the impression I dropped the ball on this project, sorry about that! [QUOTE=Simski;23985335]stuff [/QUOTE] I totally agree on that Pyro, it was almost awesome. I think the approach could be modified slightly to something that is less nightmare fuel. Some aspects of it were quite nice. But thanks on the painting. I like to have some 2d art that I can keep as a general goal for what to achieve. Usually a lot of it comes together at the end with the facial expressions, but it's good to have something concrete to refer back to. Also, Sky's artpass thread is [url]http://forums.tf2maps.net/showthread.php?t=14506[/url] It's his map, but I know him in person and that he's an insanely hard worker and makes amazing levels. I know he can pull off a crazy theme with his skills, so I'm more than happy to dedicate some time to making art for him.

I worked on her face over the weekend, here's some crappy Max renders to show where it's at now. The textures are still placeholder, and don't want to get too involved in that until I finalize the geometry. I wanted to soften some of the features on her face without losing the angular shapes or the overall similarities to the Spy. [img]http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2010/283/9/8/female_spy_test_by_chemicalalia-d301qa7.jpg[/img] Also, if you haven't heard it yet, DustyOldRoses is going to be providing the voice pack, and she's recorded a sample with two different possible voices. We've been getting feedback from a few places so far and I think she has a pretty good direction to go with it, but I'd love to hear any suggestions or preferences you might have. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyQkug-w11Y[/url]

[QUOTE=nmagain;22063930]Who the fuck would download a female spy?[/QUOTE] I agree,scratch the inapropriate words,I feel way too atached to the male spy but this does look great! The legs don't look right in the first four pictures though.