[QUOTE=Rajikaru;53028394]And it was nerfed and is no longer imbalanced, yes.[/QUOTE]
And who complains about it now? No one. If anything, people consider it trash.
Alright Exor, at this point you're completely ignoring what I originally said. I brought Natascha up to illustrate the point that people disliking it =/= it is imbalanced.
as far as being "unfun to face" goes, for instance grenade launchers rank extremely high. yet it's still possible to be balanced and everyone seems okay with it.
Were bullets from Heavy's bandolier always part of the gibs? I noticed it after JI came out.
[QUOTE=Hell-met;53028417]as far as being "unfun to face" goes, for instance grenade launchers rank extremely high. yet it's still possible to be balanced and everyone seems okay with it.[/QUOTE]
Yep, like I said, Spy (along with Pyro) is an annoying class to play against. Either you're constantly alert, swinging around, high on tension, or you're being stabbed and killed in one foul swoop. Doesn't mean Spy as a class is imbalanced, in fact, Spy is considered by many to be one of the weakest classes in the game, around Engineer levels of weak.
[QUOTE=Hell-met;53028417]as far as being "unfun to face" goes, for instance grenade launchers rank extremely high. yet it's still possible to be balanced and everyone seems okay with it.[/QUOTE]
The only grenade launcher I see majority of people have a hatred of dying to is Loch'n'Load.
I don't mind it all too much, but it still gets the name of "Baby's first direct hitter" from me.
[QUOTE=jimbobjoe1234;53028146]Ever think we'll see an attack version of MvM? Would give the red robots an actual use.[/QUOTE]
Problem with that is that you need to either design a massive map for players to push through, and eventually find an optimal route through that has no bearing on robot composition...or it winds up functioning like king of the hill where you take an area of the map and then spend the rest of the wave defending against waves of robots...so you're back at square one.
guess who didn't realize resetting your stats meant resetting everything including achievement progress :hammered:
I was thinking about the new weapons: I must say, I really like them. I use them all time from time, except Gas Passer, which I only use in MvM. (brokenly OP there, though I have to say I'm playing Pyro much more now there because of the Pyro changes, Dragon's Fury, and the Gas Passer)
[QUOTE=Rajikaru;53028411]Alright Exor, at this point you're completely ignoring what I originally said. I brought Natascha up to illustrate the point that people disliking it =/= it is imbalanced.[/QUOTE]
Nobody considers it annoying now, or even uses the thing. It's widely regarded as the archetypical "nerf gun", and there's usually a link to a Nerf-brand foam dart chain gun when discussing it's effectiveness.
Balance is a scale that can swing both ways. Items can be just as poorly balanced by being rubbish, because that's equally as far away from the middle ground of " fun to use, play against and useful " as being too strong is, although being too strong gets a lot more attention due to causing more in-game harm to the player experience, leading to louder vocal outrage.
Yes, the fact that nearly half of the weapons in this game are either outclassed by stock/metagame unlocks or are utterly useless is a balance issue too.
[QUOTE=C. Blades;53028589]Nobody considers it annoying now, or even uses the thing. It's widely regarded as the archetypical "nerf gun", and there's usually a link to a Nerf-brand foam dart chain gun when discussing it's effectiveness.[/QUOTE]
I've heard multiple people on this very forum, in this very thread, complain about current Natascha.
[QUOTE=Rajikaru;53028604]I've heard multiple people on this very forum, in this very thread, complain about current Natascha.[/QUOTE]
Would they perhaps be scout mains?
[QUOTE=Rajikaru;53028449]Yep, like I said, Spy (along with Pyro) is an annoying class to play against. Either you're constantly alert, swinging around, high on tension, or you're being stabbed and killed in one foul swoop. Doesn't mean Spy as a class is imbalanced, in fact, Spy is considered by many to be one of the weakest classes in the game, around Engineer levels of weak.[/QUOTE]
Spy and Pyro are [B]simultaneously weak and annoying to fight against[/B] (though JI just made Pyro less weak). Fixing both issues is important.
That is what I said, yes, Pyro and Spy are annoying but weak
[QUOTE=X marks it;53028615]Would they perhaps be scout mains?[/QUOTE]
I have no clue, I don't really keep tabs on anybody here. I only know Exor is a heavy main because it's been beaten into my brain at this point
spy cannot be and never will be a generalist, pyro atleast has the ability to become one if enough care was to be given torwards doing so
System maintenance message out, hope we get some more bug fixes.
[QUOTE=rolfum;53028760]spy cannot be and never will be a generalist, pyro atleast has the ability to become one if enough care was to be given torwards doing so[/QUOTE]
There are ways you can make him stronger but less annoying to fight, though. In such a case, Spy would be more frequently used. This also goes back to 6s worshiping of 5cp, the one gamemode that not-mobile classes (Heavy, Engineer, Spy, Sniper [Sniper is a weird topic]) can't do much in.
[QUOTE=TheBorealis;53028873]System maintenance message out, hope we get some more bug fixes.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Fixed not being able to apply the Civilian Stat Clock to Civilian-grade weapons[/QUOTE]
That's it?
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Fuck TF2Center. Not too sure where I'll be getting my pug fill. Are pugchamp/faceit any good?
Do they want people to get viruses or something?
they just want that sweet ad money
Just played for the first time in a while, and holy hell are catbots running rampant. Do they also start votekicks for random players so people can't start their own votes against them? Despite this, I'm glad to say that all the times I encountered them (bar one game), they were very swiftly votekicked off the server.
[QUOTE=Blackavar;53028925][t]https://i.redd.it/88hqxq495c801.png[/t]
Fuck TF2Center. Not too sure where I'll be getting my pug fill. Are pugchamp/faceit any good?[/QUOTE]
Don't use AdBlock (it's super outdated), use uBlock Origin ([URL="https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/ublock-origin/"]Firefox[/URL], [URL="https://chrome.google.com/webstore/detail/ublock-origin/cjpalhdlnbpafiamejdnhcphjbkeiagm"]Chrome[/URL]) instead. Works fine for me using it.
I've only encountered one catbot so far ever, and that was only because the server switched to harvest, one map I never cue for on purpose
Is catbot the hack that autocaps control points? I've been seeing a lot of those lately
What if the reason they have huge new things every major update even if if takes a long time is that new and fresh features is what attract employees to work on TF2.
That's...an explanation. It doesn't solve the inherent flaw of having a company where you work on whatever you want whenever you want and the problems such a company presents to its consumer base, but it's an explanation.
Decided to try and jump back into TF2 today for the first time in a while, and hl2.exe doesn't even appear when I launch the game.
Thanks Valve.
Imagine when TF2 finally dies and no one is playing the game...
...only the cat-bots.
Also RuneScape does thing like "Goals for 2018". I'd cry out of joy if TFTeam did such a thing.
Ug, trying to do some medic contracts... I need assists while ubering people...
I uber a pyro in a room full of enemies and he doesn't even kill a single enemy...
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