Competitive players are like furries
They need to be hated because they are mostly attention whores.
[QUOTE=Shounic;23782656]Buff banner is banned i think, because the team could roll a buff banner + uber. The buff banner giving EVERYONE mini crits because of it's enormous radius of effect, the uber to essentially protect and save anyone from getting killed, and easily charges up too fast.[/QUOTE]
IMO it's useless, you won't be able to use it unless you're rolling them to begin with
[QUOTE=Shugo;23782613]Why are a bunch of you reverting to "Don't bother arguing logically, they hate us just for being competitive!" argument? We've had around two and a half pages of rather intelligent debate with good points vs. good points. If you don't want to participate, then just leave rather than copping out with the "I'm being hated on" garbage.
I, personally, am leaving because I have other obligations to tend to. And I'll leave on this note: I don't 'hate' competitive players and I'm not trying to debunk their entire way of playing. I was just arguing bans levied by their leagues and explaining why the current state of it bothers me, especially having participated in it before myself. The only ones being presumptuous here are the ones going "Hah, they can't be swayed because they just hate us. Don't bother with these idiots."[/QUOTE]
You're right, there has been some good discussion here. I was getting frustrated, because these same arguments were being thrown around a month ago. And if you read what I said as "Don't bother arguing logically, they hate us just for being competitive!", I must have worded it wrong. I was trying to say not to respond to hate with more hate. There's been plenty of good questions and points, I just wish we could cull all the other shit out.
[QUOTE=ADT;23782663]Competitive players are like furries
They need to be hated.[/QUOTE]
Stop this shit.
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;23780682]It's not really fair to ask competitive teams to reorder their strategy every time Valve introduces something as weird as the wrangler, or, notoriously, the Sandman.[/QUOTE]
Yes and Valve should also take Zombie Fortress into consideration. Face it, comp TF2 is not real TF2, if you're going to change the rules you're going to have to be prepared to change them. It's the same for every other mod, the difference is the other guys don't whine to Valve to get it changed for everyone.
In other words, I don't care what you ban because I don't play your mode because it's as alien as Zombie Fortress and I'm not into that, so you do what you want but for the love of god don't take it up with Valve and ruin the actual game for the rest of us.
[QUOTE=ADT;23782548]Yeah because you can't teamwork with a few players on pub servers. So truuuuuue.
Then ban everything that not letting the ubercharge... Like the Spy?
Implying you can't kill them with Sniper/Demoman/Soldier, or kill them with any class while they are distracted at something (like an uber).[/QUOTE]
You guys would have no where near the amount of teamwork. Please just stop arguing. They won't be 'distracted of something' because they have game sense, you can just run round the corner and kill the sentry, there is usually 2 soldiers and a demo willing to stop you.
[QUOTE=ADT;23782663]Competitive players are like furries
They need to be hated.[/QUOTE]
And what is the reason to that? You people hate furries only because they are different to you. People hate on gay, people hate on black, in a nutshell, you are just racist, and can't accept difference in each other.
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[QUOTE=Rct33;23782701]You guys would have no where near the amount of teamwork. Please just stop arguing. They won't be 'distracted of something' because they have game sense, you can just run round the corner and kill the sentry, there is usually 2 soldiers and a demo willing to stop you.[/QUOTE]
so true. Those comp teams have been playing together for YEARS. They know each other like the back of their hands.
This thread looks like a bunch of vultures picking at the singular, now skeletal corpse that they fought off a few eagles for long ago. Give it up, you won!
Wait, who won? Comps, pubs, or the voice of reason?
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;23782569]It's a straight upgrade from the pistol, no two ways about it[/QUOTE]
Both fullfill completely different roles. The pistol is an incredibly versatile medium range weapon that can deal quite a bit of damage. It is for protecting the engineer. The Wrangler is about buffing your sentry at the immense cost of being able to protect yourself.
[QUOTE=Shounic;23782708]And what is the reason to that? You people hate furries only because they are different to you. People hate on gay, people hate on black, in a nutshell, you are just racist, and can't accept difference in each other.[/QUOTE]
Nope, come to think, I just hate people who are whining about anything, think they are always right. I just hate people like you.
(And no, I don't hate furries, because if I do, there would be no "furry" friends in my Youtube Subscriptions or Steam list)
[QUOTE=ADT;23782793]Nope, comme to think, I just hate people who are whining about anything, think they are always right. I just hate people like you.
(And no, I don't hate furries, because if I do, there would not be "furry" firends in my Youtube Subscriptions or Steam friends)[/QUOTE]
I know when i'm wrong, but some people are just being extremely un-reasonable, but guess what? i hate ignorant people like you. Who think they're right.
then why did you make that post?
I doubt they are any better than we are.
[QUOTE=Mechtroid;23782775]Wait, who won? Comps, pubs, or the voice of reason?[/QUOTE]
Fucked if I know, I just love watching arguments.
[QUOTE=minilandstan;23782847]They kept the backburner?[/QUOTE]
it's not banned, but no one uses it for how shit it is.
[QUOTE=minilandstan;23782847]I doubt they are any better than we are.[/QUOTE]
Well... that's just baseless.
You edited this from "they kept the backburner?"
Yes they kept it, it's useless anyhow
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;23782662]no you haven't
unless you were in a tournament and got fed up with not being able to use banned weapons[/QUOTE]
In fact I have.
[QUOTE=Mexican;23782691]Yes and Valve should also take Zombie Fortress into consideration. Face it, comp TF2 is not real TF2, if you're going to change the rules you're going to have to be prepared to change them. It's the same for every other mod, the difference is the other guys don't whine to Valve to get it changed for everyone.
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Comp players don't whine to Valve
I don't know where this idea comes from
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[QUOTE=Talishmar;23782886]In fact I have.[/QUOTE]
lol did your team get DQed or something?
Also, which league? :3:
This thread: :munch:
Honestly this is really getting to be too much to deal with
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Look, no matter what's posted, nobody's going to convince anyone and nobody is about to gain any ground here
Next time I see a thread full of people ragging on comp TF2 I'll try my best to ignore it
Is it really that hard to go read up on comp tf2?
[QUOTE=Shounic;23782951]Is it really that hard to go read up on comp tf2?[/QUOTE]
Nobody's about to do it
that's like asking a creationist to read The Origin of Species or a liberal to read something written by Glenn Beck
I only hate how they remove weapons for being unbalanced at 6v6
The game is designed to be 12v12. No surprise removing half the players will fuck with the gameplay.
It's like complaining about how you can't retire someone in a game of baseball where both teams have only 4 players (pitcher included)
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;23782904]Comp players don't whine to Valve
I don't know where this idea comes from[/QUOTE]
Valve's been catering to comp with every buff and nerf they've made recently
[QUOTE=Mexican;23782988]Valve's been catering to comp with every buff and nerf they've made recently[/QUOTE]
Not the gunboats
or, erm, any that I can think of at all
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;23782904]Comp players don't whine to Valve
I don't know where this idea comes from[/QUOTE]
Well AFAIK there are loads of comp players on SPUF and there are loads of whining about balance in SPUF. 1+1 = 2
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;23782981]I only hate how they remove weapons for being unbalanced at 6v6
The game is designed to be 12v12. No surprise removing half the players will fuck with the gameplay.
It's like complaining about how you can't retire someone in a game of baseball where both teams have only 4 players (pitcher included)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but at 12v12 there's too much spam and 9v9 is already a clusterfuck.
Ok i can envsage his situation.
6v6
you each have
a sandman scout,
a nattie heavy
a wranger engineer
a buffbanner soldier
a medic (any combo)
a vanilla demoman.
seems like a very well balanced and effective team.
The nanttie heavy slows down enemies allowing the enginner to pick them off.
The scout uses his stun balls to deal with problem targets liek the enemy's heavy/soldier/medic
The soldier uses defensive, offensive tactics (denying enemy advancement from their territory.) till he build up his buffbanner.
The medic keeps them alive and the demo deals with the enemy engineer while just generally fucking shit up.
When both an uber and buffbanner are ready to go the engineer destructs his sentry (if using the FJ) and the whole team goes for one big push.
Whatever team is able to reach this game winning situation is obviously better coordinated, better skilled and faster thinking.
sometimes the only way to counter something is to become it, then you remove all the enemy's advantages and it boils down to who is shaper.
Or just plain old lucky crits. :v:
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;23783019]Well AFAIK there are loads of comp players on SPUF and there are loads of whining about balance in SPUF. 1+1 = 2[/QUOTE]
comp players never ever go to SPUF
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;23783039]comp players never ever go to SPUF[/QUOTE]
You're not going on the same forums as I am because every time there's a thread about comp play there are hordes of comp player who come in and act like they're the shit.
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