[QUOTE=LetsGroove;23783742]Oh competitive players, they cry over anything.[/QUOTE]
no comp players are crying about Natascha
they all used it to begin with
if anything, comp players who go heavy will probably be upset they can't use Natascha this season.
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;23783749]it did.[/QUOTE]
no it didn't
(boy, this is a dead end)
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;23783739]it's still banned, and comp play had nothing to do with the nerfs[/QUOTE]
I would have to say it did.
[QUOTE=Disarray;23783831]I would have to say it did.[/QUOTE]
It didn't
Comp players banned it from day one and never looked back, and that's what they do every time something like this comes up. They sure as hell don't rely on Valve to do something about it.
[QUOTE=Disarray;23783831]I would have to say it did.[/QUOTE]
Proof?
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;23783722]What about the sandman ban which resulted into literally wrecking the damn thing to a point where it's the worst weapon in the game.
[/QUOTE]
sandman is still incredibly powerful, it completely removes your enemies ability to fight back in any way, and the -15 hp is totally negligible
and given that the scout is already an incredibly strong fighter I've never understood how valve thought it was a good idea
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;23783749]it did.[/QUOTE]
can you actually, you know, prove that
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;23783771]no comp players are crying about Natascha
they all used it to begin with
if anything, comp players who go heavy will probably be upset they can't use Natascha this season.[/QUOTE]
If they all used it then why was it banned. If nobody is complaining about it then what's the big deal.
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;23783869]If they all used it then why was it banned. If nobody is complaining about it then what's the big deal.[/QUOTE]
Everyone used it because it was a straight upgrade. As such the league decided it was overpowered, same way the National Football League bans steroids.
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;23783869]If they all used it then why was it banned. If nobody is complaining about it then what's the big deal.[/QUOTE]
because the natasha got changed. read tf2 patch notes.
[QUOTE=t man;23783868]can you actually, you know, prove that[/QUOTE]
Well you can clearly see that after CEVO banned it, several changes were made to try to change it. Valve clearly said on the blog they listen to the competitive community. I don't know anyone at valve so I don't know clearly if that's the reason but you don't know either if it isn't
[QUOTE=Shounic;23783901]because the natasha got changed. read tf2 patch notes.[/QUOTE]
Really? I'm pretty sure it was considered OP and overused to begin with.
...what did they change? I've been away from internet for a while :saddowns:
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;23783899]Everyone used it because it was a straight upgrade. As such the league decided it was overpowered, same way the National Football League bans steroids.[/QUOTE]
They ban steroids because some people use it. If everybody used the same steroids it wouldn't be a big deal.
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;23783933]They ban steroids because some people use it. If everybody used the same steroids it wouldn't be a big deal.[/QUOTE]
They ban it because it's an unfair advantage.
guys quit bashing them for banning weapons, I don't get it either but it's what they want to do
[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;23783960]They ban it because it's an unfair advantage.[/QUOTE]
It's not an unfair advantage if everybody has it.
Well, thats just silly...
CEVO is full of whiny people.
[QUOTE=Skunky;23784069]CEVO is full of whiny people.[/QUOTE]
no it's not
Do you even know what CEVO stands for?
But it's not fun if you have to use just one weapon just because others are worse than it.
[QUOTE=Talishmar;23784124]But it's not fun if you have to use just one weapon just because others are worse than it.[/QUOTE]
Ubersaw, equalizer, that new kukri.
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;23784153]Ubersaw, equalizer, that new kukri.[/QUOTE]
Really clumsy compared to bonesaw. I often need to quickly attack the attackers and the uber increase is not that important if you're using kritz.
Shiv was nerfed horribly.
Equalizer is a lot more useful than the shovel, if not overpowered.
[QUOTE=Mexican;23783998]guys quit bashing them for banning weapons, I don't get it either but it's what they want to do[/QUOTE]
Yeah really, I don't get why people are bitching about what comp players do when they have nothing to do with comp play at all.
[QUOTE=Batmoutarde;23784013]It's not an unfair advantage if everybody has it.[/QUOTE]
Your metaphor is completely unrealistic; for it to remain balanced, any new players would be forced to take steroids.
Give up already, Sirdongalot. You have enough damn boxes to move every one in New York somewhere else.
[QUOTE=NanoSquid;23779765]It's true. In fact, even the :siren: [B]WARNING THIS MAY ENRAGE YOU[/B] :siren: backburner was fine with the +50hp. Back then no one realized just how amazing the airblast was and they got it nerfed within a week of release. They didn't even give it a chance.
It's balanced [I]now[/I] the extra damage, but it went literally [I]years[/I] as a worthless weapon.
I suppose the only exception is the razorback which was retarded from the start.[/QUOTE]
Bit late, but you do realized the airblast was added in long after the +50 health was removed, right?
[QUOTE=vander97;23784225]Give up already, Sirdongalot. You have enough damn boxes to move every one in New York somewhere else.[/QUOTE]
Just because people disagree with me doesn't mean I'm wrong.
also
[quote]sirdongalot[/quote]
mature
[QUOTE=Itszutak;23784243]Bit late, but you do realized the airblast was added in long after the +50 health was removed, right?[/QUOTE]
Airblast was added along with Backburner initially, with the pyro update.
[QUOTE=vander97;23784225]Give up already, Sirdongalot. You have enough damn boxes to move every one in New York somewhere else.[/QUOTE]
That's because he knows how comp works, and almost everyody on this forum are total pub players. Just because people think he's dumb because they don't understand competitive doesn't mean he needs to "give it up".
[QUOTE=Itszutak;23784243]Bit late, but you do realized the airblast was added in long after the +50 health was removed, right?[/QUOTE]
What ? Airblast was added with the pyro update. Same as the +50 health.
[QUOTE=Itszutak;23784243]Bit late, but you do realized the airblast was added in long after the +50 health was removed, right?[/QUOTE]
airblast was released with the pyro update so um
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[QUOTE=Sirdangolot5;23784282]mature[/QUOTE]
it's vander, don't expect any good posts.
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