Team Fortress 2 Classic V2 - Deathmatch mode when?

[TheJoey]

[QUOTE=La Boite;47532125]
And by the way... why does the merc have grenades? Planning to implement them in the mod?[/QUOTE]

tf2 characters with darker team colored upper bodies tend to have yellow on their chest. it makes it easier for players to identify which weapon a character is holding, like if they've got their melee out you can see their bright yellow ammo belt/grenades. also helps to identify the character itself.

either he has an ammo belt (something specific to the heavy) or he has grenades, unless there's something better to replace them with.

[Kibbleknight]

Vote for which color hazard stripes the Bouncing Betty should have:

[b]Agree for Yellow:[/b]
[t]http://puu.sh/heWkx.png[/t]

[b]Winner for Pale Yellow:[/b]
[t]http://puu.sh/heWkL.png[/t]

[b]Zing for White:[/b]
[t]http://puu.sh/heWlu.png[/t]

[b]Artistic for Grey:[/b]
[t]http://puu.sh/heWlG.png[/t]

[QUOTE=Frying Dutchman;47532870]No striping at all.[/QUOTE]
If for some reason you agree with Dutchman here vote
[b]Vote Late for No Stripes:[/b]
[t]http://puu.sh/heWMU.png[/t]

[Frying Dutchman]

No striping at all.

[La Boite]

[QUOTE=WhyNott;47532535]At first I thought you mean "shuting the fuck up"

but then I realized that "shuting" is not a swear

the conclusion was terrifying[/QUOTE]

Sorry, I thought shut was a swear
I'm not THAT kind of people.
I said that because I'd like to help in this project, putting a little of my ideas but each time I say something I finish with 9874 "dumb" rating. I'm a super-duper over-sensible person and not a veteran of facepunch, so those hurt me, even if the idea is [B]sometimes, not ever[/B] stupid to me. I gotta thanks Maxxy (I think it's him, due to the picture & that he model stuff) to have somehow explained his dumb reply.

[editline]15th April 2015[/editline]

[QUOTE=TheJukebox;47532566]The same reason Pyro, and Soldier have their grenades.[/QUOTE]

it means the merc had grenade in the early tf2c development phases?

[editline]15th April 2015[/editline]

[QUOTE=TheJoey;47532628]tf2 characters with darker team colored upper bodies tend to have yellow on their chest. it makes it easier for players to identify which weapon a character is holding, like if they've got their melee out you can see their bright yellow ammo belt/grenades. also helps to identify the character itself.

either he has an ammo belt (something specific to the heavy) or he has grenades, unless there's something better to replace them with.[/QUOTE]

Yes, but pockets could have done this too. (I was sure that grenades weren't making their way in tf2c [beside concussion?], so I was confused. And as I replied to mister Jukebox, the soldier & pyro were supposed to have grenades to use & valve got too lazy [B][I]<- This is the not obvious joke. This is the not very obvious clue that there was a joke. (See, the word humor.) ->[/I][/B] (nah, too far in development, me and my humor) so they didn't want to change the character's general look.

Oh, and I'm egocentric & boastful. Just in case.

[_charon]

[QUOTE=La Boite;47533049]Sorry, I thought shut was a swear
I'm not THAT kind of people.
I said that because I'd like to help in this project, putting a little of my ideas but each time I say something I finish with 9874 "dumb" rating. I'm a super-duper over-sensible person and not a veteran of facepunch, so those hurt me, even if the idea is [B]sometimes, not ever[/B] stupid to me. I gotta thanks Maxxy (I think it's him, due to the picture & that he model stuff) to have somehow explained his dumb reply.

[editline]15th April 2015[/editline]

it means the merc had greande in the early tf2c development phases?

[editline]15th April 2015[/editline]

Yes, but pockets could have done this too. (I was sure that grenades weren't making their way in tf2c [beside concussion?], so I was confused. And as I replied to mister Jukebox, the soldier & pyro were supposed to have grenades to use & valve got too lazy (nah, too far in development, me and my humor) so they didn't want to change the character's general look.[/QUOTE]

There's no indication that Valve was still thinking about grenades by the time the current Soldier and Pyro were designed. I would think that would be an early decision, anyways; it's a pretty big change. Grenades just happen to look nice on those classes, and are a good spot for the cream colours.
Also, protip: Don't talk about dumb ratings. When you complain about dumb ratings, you get more dumb ratings. Just try not to do whatever it is you've done to get dumbed again.
[sp]pretty sure most people are dumbing you because you're being super rude[/sp]

[La Boite]

Aw... Sorry, my english isn't perfect and I have too much confidence when I'm online, you know, not-real life & stuff. I'll try to change my way to talk then ^^'

Thanks for the tips about what-I-shouldn't-talk-about... I'm so rookie right now... *shame*

So, if you need help with ideas, concept & stuff, feel free to contact me at my e-mail address: noonecaresbesidebots.hotmail.com - on steam: • La Boite à Sandvish • or post smtg here, I'm checking this forum each 15 minutes... No, I do have a life... Probably

[TheJukebox]

[QUOTE=La Boite;47533049]
it means the merc had greande in the early tf2c development phases?

[/QUOTE]

Valve didn't get lazy, they cut grenades because in TFC they were just spammed the entire game. You should look into stuff like this before assuming things.

[La Boite]

[QUOTE=TheJukebox;47533412]Valve didn't get lazy, they cut grenades because in TFC they were just spammed the entire game. You should look into stuff like this before assuming things.[/QUOTE]

Excuse me, my little joke wasn't very obvious. I know this; I've done some research months ago for a tf2 mod and I also played hydro with the developers commentary, which stated the spamming grenade issue, making the players relies too much on them. And you shouldn't jump to conclusion my dear friend :3

If I was rude on this comment, excuse me, irony just got me this time.

[chipsnapper]

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;47532927]Hey, I was wondering, since TF2 classic runs on an older and custom build than current TF2, is it possible to make mat_picmip working again to values of -10 and such? I loved it back in the day and I was really upset when Valve removed it because "some PC's couldn't handle it" or something. And it makes the game look so much better too, texutre wise.[/QUOTE]

For the record, mat_picmip was cut a little after the Mac update because Mac users had instability once they turned it on. And since the SDK2013 is based off of the relatively current TF2/CSS code, the material system is hardcoded and mat_picmip is still locked. We'd need to do a vmt edit of EVERY model in the game to "enable" mat_picmip -10 again. Thankfully, it's already been done before for both the standard TF2 and the TiP models!
We would just need to get the VPK mount system working, and make it an available download. I for one think that the mat_picmip VPK for standard models should be added standard for the mod, I'm pretty sure everyone's PC can handle it now, and we don't have a Mac/Linux build right now afaik, so why not?

[La Boite]

[QUOTE=TheRealRudy;47533458]Did you came straight out of the Rust subforum or something?[/QUOTE]

I don't know what you mean, never played rust, but I can tell from what I've see that it's a outrageous game. so yes, I'm really angry, if that's what you are trying to tell me. And I'm gonna say something like the people being drunk, because I'm regretting so much and I'm close to tears. There is no sarcasm or irony in this post.

And, post as much dumb as you want because I'm dumb, as everyone as been telling since my childhood because I am, am I not?

If we could... I don't know... Make a new start? Get back to square 1? I don't know how to say that. I'm really really stupid. I'm jealous of your work, you're all doing so much amazing things and, and even if I try my best, the only I get are from the people I contact myself to show them. I wanted glory before victory. Lot of you are my heroes and you probably hate me because I'm an *sshole...

Pardon me, I beg you...

[Imacreep]

[QUOTE=La Boite;47533670]I don't know what you mean, never played rust, but I can tell from what I've see that it's a outrageous game. so yes, I'm really angry, if that's what you are trying to tell me. And I'm gonna say something like the people being drunk, because I'm regretting so much and I'm close to tears. There is no sarcasm or irony in this post.

And, post as much dumb as you want because I'm dumb, as everyone as been telling since my childhood because I am, am I not?

I'm being serious, I'm really f*cking crying right now.[/QUOTE]

Justo calm down man.

[Raptor Dan]

Why do people start drama in development threads?

[LightFlock]

[QUOTE=Stiffy360;47530210]I kind of mentioned it, but I'm curious if you guys genuinely want my remake of cp_orange for the mod.

[t]http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/522750925218047908/6799F7E2F3ED8FD3FB3A836A67C566F9FDECEA1A/[/t][/QUOTE]

Hi, mapping lead for TF2C here.

As much as I love your artpass, I don't think it's wise to add cp_orange to the mod. The detail might be great, but the layout over-all is not even close to the standard we should be trying to reach.

For instance:
- Super large sightlines
- Lack of forward spawns
- Map is not divided at all like maps should be
- The map is incredibly flat which makes it uninteresting to play on
- Spawn forces you to flip 180 degrees which is annoying and illogical
- Spawncamping issues

And a list of that many major issues really doesn't need to be expanded any further.

[Dr. Kyuros]

[QUOTE=kibbleknight;47532863]Vote for which color hazard stripes the Bouncing Betty should have:
*bouncing betty concept stuff*
[/QUOTE]

So is it just gonna be the Pipebomb Launcher from TFC as a sidegrade for the Stickybomb Launcher, or according to it's namesake, be a sidegrade for the Grenade Launcher that focuses on some mechanic involving grenade bounce?

I'd be fine with either choice if that were the case, but former would be preferable since you know classic I guess and we already have a Grenade Launcher sidegrade atm.

[Kibbleknight]

New design for Bouncing Betty as result of a conversation in the slack chat:
[t]http://puu.sh/hf8qF.png[/t]
[t]http://puu.sh/hf8rn.png[/t]

[The Yiffy Fox]

oh hey look thingies me and Nicknine did.

[t]http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/713034890068589599/E92FA3438888E79D512409F0ECB956C82A1C18F9/[/t]
[t]http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/713034890068608643/4A42D9EF0C73CCAD3F161889D46789FDE7F5A3B8/[/t]
[t]http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/713034890068612504/DA795C7E1394A665B07966C3ACF8DDD4D715250A/[/t]
[t]http://cloud-2.steamusercontent.com/ugc/713034890068626403/6D4072C951FA873BE7322EA84A48DFD54137C074/[/t]
[t]http://cloud-4.steamusercontent.com/ugc/713034890068626711/0CEE3F46984EF416CCD27657890F36A826D0773E/[/t]

Humans and friendlies are on RED, Combine are on BLU, random monsters are on "Unassigned", the team used for spectate. Err.. not currently, tho. Just colors. I had to cheet to get those screenies.

[TheJukebox]

Hazard stripes should be taken off now, gun is much more interesting and doesn't need them. Also, reload joint?

[Kibbleknight]

[QUOTE=TheJukebox;47534058]Hazard stripes should be taken off now, gun is much more interesting and doesn't need them. Also, reload joint?[/QUOTE]

It will have custom animations for him using the pump, and loading new grenades into the drum/magazine from a side loading port, instead of the gun breaking open to reload.

[kida23]

[QUOTE=The Yiffy Fox;47534042]oh hey look thingies me and Nicknine did.

*Half Fortress 2*

Humans and friendlies are on RED, Combine are on BLU, random monsters are on "Unassigned", the team used for spectate. Err.. not currently, tho. Just colors. I had to cheet to get those screenies.[/QUOTE]
Even though not an official part of the project, nice! It almost reminds me of [URL="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyJKmu0ciL8"]that TF2-to-Gmod mod that _Kilburn and co. made a long time ago[/URL].

Any way to get the game to register localized strings for specific NPCs a-la HHH / Monoculus (if one is to count killfeed as well)?
It would be nifty if you could keep an updated thread on the forums for the sidemod. If there isn't already one - haven't been looking much admittedly.

[The Yiffy Fox]

[QUOTE=kida23;47534095]
It would be nifty if you could keep an updated thread on the forums for the sidemod. If there isn't already one - haven't been looking much admittedly.[/QUOTE]

We are going to, just wanted to tease a few WIP things.

[Frying Dutchman]

[QUOTE=kibbleknight;47534084]It will have custom animations for him using the pump, and loading new grenades into the drum/magazine from a side loading port, instead of the gun breaking open to reload.[/QUOTE]

Seeing as this forced my hand to reveal what I've been working on with Square:

[IMG]http://puu.sh/heUgD/26657c123f.jpg[/IMG]
Based on real life counterpart "[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Lake_Grenade_Launcher]China Lake Grenade Launcher[/url]"

[B]How would it function?[/B]
+ Grenades Bounce in gameworld
+ Higher Damage
- Small explosion range
- Slower rate of fire.
[URL="http://www.unfgaming.net/tf2c/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=124"]
See the full write up and explanation here.[/URL]
Explains why the design choices have been made.

[NicknineTheEagle]

[QUOTE=The Yiffy Fox;47534042]oh hey look thingies me and Nicknine did.

*screens*

Humans and friendlies are on RED, Combine are on BLU, random monsters are on "Unassigned", the team used for spectate. Err.. not currently, tho. Just colors. I had to cheet to get those screenies.[/QUOTE]

Technically, they ARE on teams, it just doesn't affect their relationships. Also, Unassigned isn't a spectator team, it's a default team that all entities join at spawn. Spectators is a separate team.

[Kibbleknight]

[QUOTE=Frying Dutchman;47534169]Seeing as this forced my hand to reveal what I've been working on with Square:

[IMG]http://puu.sh/heUgD/26657c123f.jpg[/IMG]
Based on real life counterpart "[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Lake_Grenade_Launcher]China Lake Grenade Launcher[/url]"

[B]How would it function?[/B]
+ Grenades Bounce in gameworld
+ Higher Damage
- Small explosion range
- Slower rate of fire.
[URL="http://www.unfgaming.net/tf2c/forum/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=124"]
See the full write up and explanation here.[/URL]
Explains why the design choices have been made.[/QUOTE]

I don't really see how this "forces your hand" at all. Bouncing Betty has been in development for a little while, roughly a week before you started on your design, and had the same general stats in mind:

[t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/2/29/Pictogram_plus.png/15px-Pictogram_plus.png[/t]Grenades continue to bounce until contact with a player, building, or their timed detonation.
[t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/2/29/Pictogram_plus.png/15px-Pictogram_plus.png[/t]25% larger clip size.
[t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/2/29/Pictogram_plus.png/15px-Pictogram_plus.png[/t]15% damage bonus damage for the first 2 bounces
[t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/60/Pictogram_minus.png/15px-Pictogram_minus.png[/t]40% damage penalty after the third bounce
[t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/60/Pictogram_minus.png/15px-Pictogram_minus.png[/t]30% slower firing speed

In addition, you've also been telling me all morning that the design for Betty needed to be changed because it was too similar to the stock grenade launcher. So don't get mad when I also make a pump action when several of the other devs recently mentioned that a pump-action might be cool.

[The Yiffy Fox]

[QUOTE=Nicknine;47534235]Technically, they ARE on teams, it just doesn't affect their relationships. Also, Unassigned isn't a spectator team, it's a default team that all entities join at spawn. Spectators is a separate team.[/QUOTE]

See, this is why you do most of the hard coding stuff. You actually know what you're talking about.

[Kierany9]

[QUOTE=kibbleknight;47534255]I don't really see how this "forces your hand" at all. Bouncing Betty has been in development for a little while, roughly a week before you started on your design, and had the same general stats in mind:

[t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/2/29/Pictogram_plus.png/15px-Pictogram_plus.png[/t]Grenades continue to bounce until contact with a player, building, or their timed detonation.
[t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/2/29/Pictogram_plus.png/15px-Pictogram_plus.png[/t]25% larger clip size.
[t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/2/29/Pictogram_plus.png/15px-Pictogram_plus.png[/t]15% damage bonus damage for the first 2 bounces
[t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/60/Pictogram_minus.png/15px-Pictogram_minus.png[/t]40% damage penalty after the third bounce
[t]http://wiki.teamfortress.com/w/images/thumb/6/60/Pictogram_minus.png/15px-Pictogram_minus.png[/t]30% slower firing speed

In addition, you've also been telling me all morning that the design for Betty needed to be changed because it was too similar to the stock grenade launcher. So don't get mad when I also make a pump action when several of the other devs recently mentioned that a pump-action might be cool.[/QUOTE]

What is it with you being so vicious when it comes to defending your own concept ideas? This isn't the first time either, chill out, let others contribute too and stop shoving them out of the way.

[Kibbleknight]

[QUOTE=Kierany9;47534394]What is it with you being so vicious when it comes to defending your own concept ideas? This isn't the first time either, chill out and let others contribute too.[/QUOTE]

I never said that he couldn't contribute, the tf2c project is all fair game for design and concept art. He just shouldn't act so ill because someone else had a similar ideas to his, quote "Forced my hand", and you shouldn't assume that I'm being vicious about something in the same regard.

Regardless there's no sense in dragging along drama here in the thread, when both models are all said and done, we'll have a group vote on which to include in the final mod.

[Metabolic]

[QUOTE=kibbleknight;47534024]New design for Bouncing Betty as result of a conversation in the slack chat:
[t]http://puu.sh/hf8qF.png[/t]
[t]http://puu.sh/hf8rn.png[/t][/QUOTE]

you should change the stock and grip

[t]http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/174/9/9/grenade_launcher_wip1_by_elbagast-d54jj99.png[/t]

[Iamgoofball]

muh dramas

let's just all get along and capture controls points and code shit

there's no reason for us to be at each other's throats, we all want the project to succeed, we all have the same goal

some people go about that goal differently

some people like red sweaters, some people like blue sweaters

and we can all get along regardless

[SamMaher]

[QUOTE=La Boite;47533049]Sorry, I thought shut was a swear
I'm not THAT kind of people.
I said that because I'd like to help in this project, putting a little of my ideas but each time I say something I finish with 9874 "dumb" rating. I'm a super-duper over-sensible person and not a veteran of facepunch, so those hurt me, even if the idea is [B]sometimes, not ever[/B] stupid to me. I gotta thanks Maxxy (I think it's him, due to the picture & that he model stuff) to have somehow explained his dumb reply.

[editline]15th April 2015[/editline]

it means the merc had grenade in the early tf2c development phases?

[editline]15th April 2015[/editline]

Yes, but pockets could have done this too. (I was sure that grenades weren't making their way in tf2c [beside concussion?], so I was confused. And as I replied to mister Jukebox, the soldier & pyro were supposed to have grenades to use & valve got too lazy [B][I]<- This is the not obvious joke. This is the not very obvious clue that there was a joke. (See, the word humor.) ->[/I][/B] (nah, too far in development, me and my humor) so they didn't want to change the character's general look.

Oh, and I'm egocentric & boastful. Just in case.[/QUOTE]

ik it's like a critique minefield here. :P

[UserNotFound]

So I'm like, back and stuff. Did 48 Windows Updates at once and after my PC restarted twice to finalize the updates, it logged me into a user account that had a fresh desktop, but my user name. After rebooting, I discovered that my PC was hanging on Starting Windows and then after 15 minutes, it would blue screen on me with a BAD_SYSTEM_CONFIG_INFO error. Booting into Safe Mode would hang at loading the CLASSPNP.SYS driver, and after 15 minutes would bring up the BAD_SYSTEM_CONFIG_INFO blue screen.

After booting into Ubuntu 14.04 Desktop from my DVD drive, I managed to backup all my files. When I went to reformat my PC, I discovered that there was a preloaded Gateway Recovery Manager program that had an option to reformat the PC to factory defaults but backup all my files to "C:/Backup" that I didn't know about. D'oh!

I'm now currently reinstalling EVERYTHING I had installed which is going to take forever. On the plus side, I discovered how awesome Ubuntu 14.04's GUI is, and I discovered the Firefox Developer browser.

5 days I've been without a working PC. :suicide: