TF2 Emporium 65 - End of an era

[Os-Prey]

[QUOTE=lucarioaaron;51890732][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/ubDiCuM.png[/IMG]

i tried to make it look like a f-16[/QUOTE]

I mean, sure but, sheesh,.
I hope you're gonna turn this into a lower poly model becuase holy jeez those verts are out there. Not to mention the really bad stretching and shadow parts around the cockpit.
And this is my personal preference, but the dude who suggested making the launcher a MiG-17F might be on to something. The MiG-17F would translate WAAAY beter than an f-16.

[I]also the f-16 is out of the tf2 time range but that's just me nipicking[/I]

[lucarioaaron]

[QUOTE=HotrodMC;51890485]If anything it looks like he removed what he could, then added his own ontop of it.
It becomes obvious when pointed out
[IMG]https://puu.sh/uowJa/c774268315.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]

i really did it from scratch and taking reference from the cold snap, also the zippper is diferent and there are sewed labels on the jacket

[editline]1st March 2017[/editline]

[QUOTE=Os-Prey;51891743]I mean, sure but, sheesh,.
I hope you're gonna turn this into a lower poly model becuase holy jeez those verts are out there. Not to mention the really bad stretching and shadow parts around the cockpit.
And this is my personal preference, but the dude who suggested making the launcher a MiG-17F might be on to something. The MiG-17F would translate WAAAY beter than an f-16.

[I]also the f-16 is out of the tf2 time range but that's just me nipicking[/I][/QUOTE]

mig-17g is russian, that would be for heavy, but the f-16 is american like soldier

[ZombiPlasticClok]

[QUOTE=lucarioaaron;51891983]
mig-17g is russian, that would be for heavy, but the f-16 is american like soldier[/QUOTE]

And the RPG-7, which the Soldier's [B]stock[/B] rocket launcher is based off of, is also of Russian origin. Fun fact!

My point with the MiG is that the body type of that plane would be better fit for a Rocket Launcher. In fact, looking at it again it kinda looks like the Air Strike. Just because the source material is from a country Soldier hates in-game doesn't mean your end result has to still be Russian. The model can be as American as you want it to be.

[B][U]EDIT:[/U][/B]
Also the Concherer and the Half-Zatoichi are obviously not American, but now my nitpicking is going too far

[Extra Ram]

[QUOTE=lucarioaaron;51891983]i really did it from scratch and [B]taking reference from the cold snap[/B], also the zippper is diferent and there are sewed labels on the jacket [/QUOTE]

I'm all for using existing items to help with you idea, but it's still not cool to just completely use an existing idea and make it your own. It's obvious your take on the harness is pretty much the exact same as the Cold Snap, so you really, REALLY need to scrap that and do it your way.

I'd like to think I've been fair in my critiques, and while I've been a bit iffy about you using someone else's work without their consent, I'd like to've been a bit more constructive and fair. But because you straight up ignore anything advice given to you, even when you pitch your work to the Emporium, it's just ending up being a waste of time on everyone's part.
[I]
Listen to us when we give you advice on how to improve, rather than go ahead and make a fool of yourself on the workshop when you post something seemingly rushed and wonder why noone likes it. If you end up going ahead with using this model, despite everything we've said to you, it won't end well on your behalf. Being made fun of for making work that many people called bad is one thing, but plagerism on someone elses' work is a completely different path you don't want to go down.[/I]

[editline]1st March 2017[/editline]

This may be a complete change of tone from what I've been saying, but I should also point out that lucarioaaron has also been reuploading a lot of concept art onto his DeviantArt account. He tags all of his reuploads as adult so it doesn't end up showing on his main page.
([B][I]As well as a lot of genuinely NSFW art, so a massive warning to those without a mature filter enabled on their account.[/I][/B])

[T]https://puu.sh/uoVQW/be393d16dc.png[/T]

I've TRIED being reasonable when it comes to giving you advice, but this is straight up unacceptiable. I'd be angrier if you were trying to profit off the artwork of others, but this shit still really gets on my nerves.

[ZombiPlasticClok]

[QUOTE=Dusty-Pixels;51892131]
[T]https://puu.sh/uoVQW/be393d16dc.png[/T]

I've TRIED being reasonable when it comes to giving you advice, but this is straight up unacceptiable. I'd be angrier if you were trying to profit off the artwork of others, but this shit still really gets on my nerves.[/QUOTE]

That IS pretty low though. Even if its not for profit, there's no reason to take credit for someone else's work. And we're to believe that his soldier jacket was 100% made from scratch in light of this? Dude's credibility is getting lower and lower

[Big Bob]

Now that is just low. I wasn't entirely convinced about the model being ripped off, but this clears all doubts.

[Extra Ram]

:snip:

I need to reword this

[rolf]

This is some real how deep the rabbit hole goes type of shit we got going on right now

[Extra Ram]

In advance, I apologise for bringing drama back up, especially if callout posts aren't something that should be done, but in a case such as using other peoples' work for your own gain - regardless of what it is and what you'll use it for - is something I can't ignore. When it's being done by a content creator, it's just as unexcuseable and shows poor showmanship.

[I]A good artist will steal and make it new, while a bad artist will plagerise and change nothing.[/I]

I've said my bit, and now I'll eagerly wait for Night In The Woods to install.

Have a good night, everyone.

[[Square]]

Of all the things to steal, you chose the helmet Radaghast traced.

[Kibbleknight]

Excuse me, but what the fuck? I've been trying to be relatively calm about this situation, but after seeing that you are literally stealing other people's concepts and putting them on your deviant art, that is a whole new level of Scumbag.

Its one thing to just be kinda unoriginal with items, but when you try to take something that most definitely isn't yours then you've got a whole new problem, dude.

I genuinely encourage everybody to report the submissions, regardless of his intent or reason for uploading them.

[Harry]

to be honest I think that he just uses his deviant art as a way to share images much how people use puush or sharex, if you look at his gallery, the screenshot of the tf2 concepts was extremely cherry picked. most of the stuff on there is completely random images.

i'm not saying that he's not been up to some shady business, i just think that seeking out his private deviant art and assuming that it's all plagiarism is perhaps jumping the gun when most of his other uploads look like this:

[t]http://harry.tf/pics/2017-03-01_15-18-46.jpg[/t]

[editline] lol[/editline]

the fact that he was uploading other people's tf2 concepts is still weird though, i guess it proves that he does just take/intend to make people's concepts without asking them :v:

[TheJukebox]

We need an Intellectual Property lesson in this thread.

This case and one or two others I've seen haven't been where the person maliciously and deliberately stole something, rather they re-make it or draw from it as a reference and don't realize that they are over stepping. Then everyone screams murder.

[ficool2]

Anyone able to help me? I am animating Medic's weapons, and I need to move the upper arm without moving the child bones (hand, forearm etc.)

How can I achieve this? I searched on the internet but didn't find anything useful.

[Harry]

[QUOTE=TheJukebox;51893756]We need an Intellectual Property lesson in this thread.

This case and one or two others I've seen haven't been where the person maliciously and deliberately stole something, rather they re-make it or draw from it as a reference and don't realize that they are over stepping. Then everyone screams murder.[/QUOTE]

while i think the deviantart thing was maybe a bit of a reach, lucarioaaron has a history of deliberately stealing other people's concepts, most notably when he went in the halloween thread last year and just said that he was going to make some items, got told not to many times and then made them anyway. on top of that he was also just straight up making people's concepts without even mentioning it and ignoring them when they told him to stop.

considering the coat mesh's wireframe is almost 1:1 with the coldsnap coat, especially when you consider how nice the topology on the suspected stolen parts is and the other parts are really sloppy, it's hard to ignore and i think people are right to be suspicious when he's already proved that he's willing to deliberately steal.

[TheJukebox]

[QUOTE=DatHarry;51893964]while i think the deviantart thing was maybe a bit of a reach, lucarioaaron has a history of deliberately stealing other people's concepts, most notably when he went in the halloween thread last year and just said that he was going to make some items, got told not to many times and then made them anyway. on top of that he was also just straight up making people's concepts without even mentioning it and ignoring them when they told him to stop.

considering the coat mesh's wireframe is almost 1:1 with the coldsnap coat, especially when you consider how nice the topology on the suspected stolen parts is and the other parts are really sloppy, it's hard to ignore and i think people are right to be suspicious when he's already proved that he's willing to deliberately steal.[/QUOTE]

You're right, I forgot about the Halloween stuff.

[lucarioaaron]

[QUOTE=DatHarry;51893964]while i think the deviantart thing was maybe a bit of a reach, lucarioaaron has a history of deliberately stealing other people's concepts, most notably when he went in the halloween thread last year and just said that he was going to make some items, got told not to many times and then made them anyway. on top of that he was also just straight up making people's concepts without even mentioning it and ignoring them when they told him to stop.

considering the coat mesh's wireframe is almost 1:1 with the coldsnap coat, especially when you consider how nice the topology on the suspected stolen parts is and the other parts are really sloppy, it's hard to ignore and i think people are right to be suspicious when he's already proved that he's willing to deliberately steal.[/QUOTE]

how is stealing if it was up to grabs when i made them, and i also made my own concepts then

[[Square]]

[QUOTE=lucarioaaron;51894543]how is stealing if it was up to grabs when i made them, and i also made my own concepts then[/QUOTE]

Because you didn't contact the concept artists and ask their permission.

Also i think it is blindingly obvious you've stolen the mesh from the Cold Snap Coat, really you should just admit it and start your item again, because if you try and workshop it using what you have now, there will be problems.

[Harry]

[QUOTE=lucarioaaron;51894543]how is stealing if it was up to grabs when i made them, and i also made my own concepts then[/QUOTE]

when people create concept art, they have the right to allow or disallow anyone to work on them.

TF2 items make money, so when you design an item based on somebody else's concept art, it's necessary that they give you permission to use their concept art and that you give them a share of the revenue

looking at your workshop you've never given a revenue percent to anyone on one of your cosmetics, so any concepts you've used to design those items have been stolen and are in violation of the steam workshop agreement (specifically section 4 of the Supplemental Workshop Terms – Revenue Sharing)

[JZeeba]

[QUOTE=lucarioaaron;51894543]how is stealing if it was up to grabs when i made them, and i also made my own concepts then[/QUOTE]

I tried explaining it to you in plain Spanish last year, "up for grabs" here doesn't mean taking it without asking for permission...

[Extra Ram]

I'm on board for saying that the DevArt callout was a gross overstatement if he wasn't using other's work as his own and more as some reference hub, but that can [I]still[/I] be easily rectified by an explanation and an apology.

I can understand that may've been a mixup, but your biggest flaw here - besides the straight up 'theft' - is that you don't listen to anyone. If it's also been explained to you in your own language, it's clear that it's not just a failure in understanding english and that you seem not to care what anyone says. You'll go ahead with whatever you do and make a fool of yourself or be called a theif, and then later down the line you act as if it never happened and do it all again.

[lucarioaaron]

i decompiled the cold snap but i put my own mesh close to the decompiled model

[InfectedPotato]

[QUOTE=lucarioaaron;51895066]i decompiled the cold snap but i put my own mesh close to the decompiled model[/QUOTE]

That doesnt make it okay though. Thats still plagiarizing

[IJCT]

[QUOTE=lucarioaaron;51894543]how is stealing if it was up to grabs when i made them, and i also made my own concepts then[/QUOTE]

"up for grabs" means that the artist hasnt found anyone to claim the object yet and share revenue, no one will EVER give a concept for free, you will always have to contact the concept artist and he/she will decide if you can claim the item.

[lucarioaaron]

[QUOTE=InfectedPotato;51895339]That doesnt make it okay though. Thats still plagiarizing[/QUOTE]

i didnt used any poly from the decompile

[Kibbleknight]

[QUOTE=lucarioaaron;51895398]i didnt used any poly from the decompile[/QUOTE]

Manually recreating the mesh from scratch to look exactly the same is still plagiarism.

Its like taking a concept from someone and tracing it, adding something small to differentiate it, and then saying it was your own concept.

[[Square]]

[QUOTE=lucarioaaron;51895398]i didnt used any poly from the decompile[/QUOTE]

No, but you have essentially traced it, which is still bad.

[lucarioaaron]

the cold snap is a winter coat, my jacket is an air force uniform

[Cobaltcakes]

[QUOTE=lucarioaaron;51895457]the cold snap is a winter coat, my jacket is an air force uniform[/QUOTE]

The context of the item doesn't change the technical facts of the mesh and design being the same.

[Extra Ram]

[QUOTE=lucarioaaron;51895457]the cold snap is a winter coat, my jacket is an air force uniform[/QUOTE]

I'm sorry, but that excuse does not fly here when you've traced a key element from someone else's design to make your own.

You can pay homage to something that doesn't involve straight up plagiarising from the original, but use the same idea and create something that makes it its own creation. in some cases, it's a direct improvement from the original.

[T]http://media.steampowered.com/apps/440/icons/engineer_barnstormer_s01_large.08451c1cc140317a62cf9e573824bc3408e8eeeb.png[/T]
[T]https://steamcommunity-a.akamaihd.net/economy/image/fWFc82js0fmoRAP-qOIPu5THSWqfSmTELLqcUywGkijVjZULUrsm1j-9xgEPaQRDDUq2hztMmMHqAuazWrBRz-U55IJS3Hg8yQR9MeW3NWYwI1WRB6UHX61q8gy-XyE3uZJgVdW09L4FfAzttITALfByZ7US6rAi/360fx360f[/T]

That doesn't fly at all when you straight up use the same item and add the smallest tweaks to make it your own, when all you've done is rip off someone else.

[T]http://www.tfportal.de/gfx/items/large/spy_hat_large.png[/T][T]http://media.steampowered.com/apps/440/icons/capones_capper_large.3bbb599a40a2776cac233448a6577addb1869c57.png[/T]

You can do everything you can to defend yourself here, but all you're doing is digging this hole you've made even deeper.