Major Update Speculation V31: Gamechanging Edition - Games

[QUOTE=The Duke;50320398]Demo+Medic and Soldier+Medic tend to be way better than Heavy+Medic, to be honest. Heavy definitely needs buffs, especially something to improve his run speed a little because, unlike the other two classes that are slower than 100% run speed, he has no blast jumping options. The Soldier is only 4% faster than the Heavy, yet seems incredibly nimble and quick because of rockets.[/QUOTE] Demo/Medic sure, but I think Heavy/Medic has enough stopping power and health to take down a Soldier/Medic pair most of the time.

[QUOTE=Kitt Stargaze;50320420] I've also been saying for a while now that I'd like to see a slight change to sapper. either a buff to the sapper itself or a new item that replaces it. The main focus is to giving him options that can be bad towards the enemy or useful options to him and his team. But I'm sadly not sure if it can even be done off hand. The goal was to introduce map elements that could be sapped that provide options. For instance, doors that have control panels that could be used to open new paths that your team can use to attack the enemy, get around the enemy or more or close paths for the enemy team, like faster paths for them to use to get to the front for instance. But could be also used for other situations, like traps perhaps?[/QUOTE] One unlock idea that's been around for a while is a Sapper unlock that gives Spy a "Kick Me!" sign to put on enemies' backs, which makes them get minicritted while not removing his disguise. Something like that could be interesting.

[QUOTE=Doctor Hunt;50320449]Demo/Medic sure, but I think Heavy/Medic has enough stopping power and health to take down a Soldier/Medic pair most of the time.[/QUOTE] While partially true, what I meant was that Soldier+Medic is better for server clearing than Heavy+Medic by an almost disgusting degree, especially on offense or in a spawncamping scenario.

[QUOTE=Tinker;50320461]One unlock idea that's been around for a while is a Sapper unlock that gives Spy a "Kick Me!" sign to put on enemies' backs, which makes them get minicritted while not removing his disguise. Something like that could be interesting.[/QUOTE] I remember years ago there was a workshop submission to give spy a timed bomb. One of the suggestions I was considering was allow him to attach it to the enemy team in hopes that he would go back to his team, unknown that he had a bomb attached to him and get them all killed in the process. An alternate way to take out sentry nests is to have the engineer himself do it for you as well lol. Think it'd need more means of removal though then homewrecker or wrenches though to be fair. I believe the biggest complaint is about griefer doing this to get their teammates killed. Which I still think is dumb. That's what vote kicks are for, if it weren't for that he'd probably be goofing off anyway and not helping the team to begin with. [URL="https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=18568"]This was the submission I believe...[/URL]

[QUOTE=Tinker;50320268]The main problem with Spy in competitive is one that's pretty unsolvable: he gets way weaker when there's good communication. No weapon is going to change that.[/QUOTE] Actually, since communication is so important, you can use a weapon that helps it - the CnD. And indeed CnD is a popular choice for highlander spies. The utility of knowing and being able to call out the exact uber percentage as well as the health of the whole opposite team at any time is immense.

[QUOTE=Drury;50320593]Actually, since communication is so important, you can use a weapon that helps it - the CnD. And indeed CnD is a popular choice for highlander spies. The utility of knowing and being able to call out the exact uber percentage as well as the health of the whole opposite team at any time is immense.[/QUOTE] Valve introduces spectator, the new 10th class! hah Nah, just kidding. Doesn't seem all that fun though sadly...

[QUOTE=Drury;50320593]Actually, since communication is so important, you can use a weapon that helps it - the CnD. And indeed CnD is a popular choice for highlander spies. The utility of knowing and being able to call out the exact uber percentage as well as the health of the whole opposite team at any time is immense.[/QUOTE] That's true, but Highlander is Highlander and means that a Spy is forced onto the team rather than being the team's choice. Every class gets played there - the problem for Spy talked about here is getting on par with other classes, which he doesn't really get. He's not useless, but a second Soldier would probably be better.

[QUOTE=Tinker;50320655]That's true, but Highlander is Highlander and means that a Spy is forced onto the team rather than being the team's choice. Every class gets played there - the problem for Spy talked about here is getting on par with other classes, which he doesn't really get. He's not useless, but a second Soldier would probably be better.[/QUOTE] You make it seem like Spies are useless outside CnD in Highlander and pretty much just cater to it to remain every last bit of utility. CnD is merely a viable choice, many Spies go without and function normally, i.e. Stabby. As for 6s, that's laser-focused on power classes. No balancing should be done in that regard whatsoever.

I'm not saying Spies are useless in Highlander, just that there's more useful classes. All classes can be useful, TF2 isn't [i]that[/i] unbalanced. It's just that if 9v9 allowed you to pick your own classes, you absolutely would not be seeing Spies around as much (probably more similar to 6v6 where he's used uncommonly for picks and then switched to another class again). Mort's original post was about buffing a Spy to be viable in comp in general (not just Highlander), which just is not going to happen due to how the class works.

The problem with Spy in HL is that he's always there. Running a Spy is 6's is used as a surprise tactic, you don't know whether or not one will appear unless you catch them out or they attack you. In HL, the Spy is a constant, so you'll always be aware of his presence and unlikely to let your guard down.

Some classes are designed to be utility classes, you don't need to buff them, the whole idea behind the spy is being unexpectable - even well coordinated team will have a hard time dealing with spy if you offclass and go for pick in right time. Stop bringing this up, tf2 classes are balanced, probably the most balanced character set in the multiplayer games ever. Some unlocks are unbalanced, but classes themselves are fine as they are. We have to change unlocks, not classes.

Stopped playing a bit before the competitive matchmaking beta started (about a month before I think), so forgive me for making one of [I]those[/I] posts but, can anyone catch me up? Anything going for the next update (Spy vs Sniper or whatever the update was?). And the only way to play competitive matchmaking right now is with a pass right? How do you get one, and how does it work? Ranks and whatnot?

[QUOTE=Zotobom;50321221]Stopped playing a bit before the competitive matchmaking beta started (about a month before I think), so forgive me for making one of [I]those[/I] posts but, can anyone catch me up? Anything going for the next update (Spy vs Sniper or whatever the update was?). And the only way to play competitive matchmaking right now is with a pass right? How do you get one, and how does it work? Ranks and whatnot?[/QUOTE] Almost nothing's known about the theme of the next update. Only way to play comp by getting a pass, or playing while there is a stress test, if there will be anymore. If someone has a a comp pass already, he will get comp pass gifts in waves. You can ask for a gift from someone who has one avaliable at the time. There are ranks, but they don't really do much at this time, huge amount of the players are still rank 1. (~1700 hour in tf2, and can't get to rank 2)

Honestly when b4nny mentioned that valve was willing to make core class changes, I got pretty excited. Let's face it, some classes have core issues, no matter what weapon youll give the heavy, he'll still be disliked since most players including me find him boring to play. And dont let me get started on Pyro.

[QUOTE=EArkham;50319369]Needs better gatekeeping than simply votes. Otherwise we'll end up with descriptions like "Hitler's hat did nothing wrong" and "Hatty McHatface" getting top voted because of the lols. I prefered when Valve wrote the descriptions. They were almost always very clever and fun to read.[/QUOTE] Well yeah, like I said I think Valve should be the gatekeeper since they would decide which one they like the best. It would almost be like the hat describing content, but the vote system would help filter out the bad ones for Valve so they would have to look through every single entry.

[QUOTE=Fluury;50321334]no matter what weapon youll give the heavy, he'll still be disliked since most players [B][[i]citation needed[/i]][/B] including me find him boring to play.[/QUOTE] There is nothing boring about the Buffalo Steak Sandvich combined with Killstreak Apoco-Fists. That will motivate you to get you on your A-game.

Has anyone noticed this thing yet? [T]http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s603/Fwusha/shitcase_zpsfi41gww2.png[/T]

[QUOTE=Fluury;50321334]Honestly when b4nny mentioned that valve was willing to make core class changes, I got pretty excited. Let's face it, some classes have core issues, no matter what weapon youll give the heavy, he'll still be disliked since most players including me find him boring to play. And dont let me get started on Pyro.[/QUOTE] Where did b4nny mention core class changes? I don't mind some mechanical alterations, but if they translate into another overall debuff like L&W, I'll be quite livid.

[QUOTE=Fwusha;50321929]Has anyone noticed this thing yet? [T]http://i1308.photobucket.com/albums/s603/Fwusha/shitcase_zpsfi41gww2.png[/T][/QUOTE] that's been there since tough break. the name of the texture says it's a case for the gentlemanne's collection, but at some point they must've changed their mind and switched it over to a contract reward collection instead.

[QUOTE=Zotobom;50321221]Spy vs Sniper[/QUOTE] You're in for quite a shock if you think that's the next update to come out.

[QUOTE=Zotobom;50321221]Stopped playing a bit before the competitive matchmaking beta started (about a month before I think), so forgive me for making one of [I]those[/I] posts but, can anyone catch me up? Anything going for the next update (Spy vs Sniper or whatever the update was?). And the only way to play competitive matchmaking right now is with a pass right? How do you get one, and how does it work? Ranks and whatnot?[/QUOTE] Yeah the Spy VS Sniper update just came out! [url]https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/May_21,_2009_Patch[/url]

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[QUOTE=ElderLolz;50322248]Yeah sure. They were social experiments to see how many boxes you could get if you acted like you had connections, right?[/QUOTE] Ok now for real : it's been my first time on Facepunch forums. I haven't know how to act there, so that's why i shitposted for most of the time (google+, [b]cough[/b]). Now i'm trying to avoid doing this... Back on topic, i guess? Return of the Chargin' Targe, Valve. Just please, let it happen for one more time. And also making ali-babas and bootlegger having different stats would be neat. Maybe something like gunboats (as a bootlegger) for Demo, and ali babas staying the same.

[QUOTE=ElderLolz;50322248]Yeah sure. They were social experiments to see how many boxes you could get if you acted like you had connections, right?[/QUOTE] it seems like all of your posts have deviated to trying to antagonize Jhejh like dude just cut it out. We get it, you don't like him.

Jhejh has improved dramatically since he started. Leave the guy alone. This is an Internet forum for a cartoon mercenary shooter with hats. Please don't turn it into mindless drama.

Cartoon merc shooter? First time I've seen that be used to explain tf2, I always said "it's like call of duty and Ed Edd and Eddy had a baby" but on topic, am I late to the new server operator stuff?

Seeing all this Competitive vs Casual balance makes me wonder if it's possible for Valve to make separate balance changes. I mean, in CSGO's Casual there are no friendly fire, no player collisions, you can't get more than $10k and you can't buy 2 flashbangs. In other words, Casual's balance is slightly different.

[QUOTE]HugMyAxe: hey HugMyAxe: i was going to ask is the universal translator is going all class? HugMyAxe: i was going to buy one and it would be cool if it was going to become all class :) HugMyAxe: i just seen alot of people saying it was so yeah :p Jukebox: My hat is nice and beautiful, as, it has been well documented, are various other hats of my work HugMyAxe: does that mean it will be all class or no :o HugMyAxe: and yes it is pretty cool looking thats why im getting one Jukebox: I know hats. I make the best hats. They're terrific. Everyone agrees. HugMyAxe: so im guessing your not going to say if its becoming all class :P lol Jukebox: “When these people walk in the room, they don’t say, ‘Oh, hello! How’s the weather? It’s so beautiful outside. Isn’t it lovely? How are the Yankees doing? Oh they’re doing wonderful. Great.’ Traders say, ‘We want deal!’” HugMyAxe: what ;o? HugMyAxe: wait does this mean its going all class? Class: Demoman, Engineer, Heavy, Medic, Pyro, Scout, Sniper, Soldier, Spy HugMyAxe: it says that on the workshop :o Jukebox: Look at that hat! Would anyone vote for that? Can you imagine that, the hat of our next update?" HugMyAxe: um lol wat HugMyAxe: so what does that actually mean Class: Demoman, Engineer, Heavy, Medic, Pyro, Scout, Sniper, Soldier, Spy (plz no riddles or what ever those are >_<) Jukebox: Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of updates entering TF2 HugMyAxe: um ok :p? HugMyAxe: so um HugMyAxe: is it going to be all class or is it a troll? HugMyAxe: i wanna make a cool looking medic set :o Jukebox: Did you read about Wild Ride? No more 'April Fools Update' for Wild Ride. No more. Maybe we should boycott Wild Ride. HugMyAxe: so its not going to happen? HugMyAxe: i really need to know :( HugMyAxe: i wanna make a cool space medic Jukebox: We have to have a wall. We have to have a border. And in that wall we’re going to have a big fat door where hats can come into the game, but they have to come in legally HugMyAxe: ;-; HugMyAxe: please tell me ;c i wanna make a cool space medic plz ;-; Jukebox: I’m owned by the people! I mean, I’m telling you, I’m no angel, but I’m gonna do right by them! HugMyAxe: um ok :p HugMyAxe: you like to do werid riddles huh? theres some type of meaning isent there o^o Jukebox: You know, it really doesnt matter what the media write as long as you've got a yound and beautiful, piece of ass. HugMyAxe: um[/QUOTE]

Well I guess he wasn't lying

[QUOTE=chandlerj333;50322162]You're in for quite a shock if you think that's the next update to come out.[/QUOTE] Oh yea oop Spy vs Engineer then? Something with spy idk :v: