Major Update Speculation V31: Gamechanging Edition - Games

Well, [I]I[/I] wouldn't be surprised if Valve did absolutely nothing, as always.

[QUOTE=poptart TF2;50162244]because game companies do it all the fucking time, why do you think battleborne had its open beta at the same time as dooms. Its an incredibly common practice to try and hold events for your own game to draw attention away from competitors to retain more of your playerbase, its been done constantly among game companies for decades. Its why consoles usually release at the same time, why game releases generally happen close together, etc. It just makes logical sense for valve, which is a fucking business to make a noteworthy update to try and draw attention towards there game. Heck it wouldn't surprise me if valves matchmaking was partially motivated by valve wanting to be able to compete, to try and retain its veteran players, considering they never gave a shit about any kind of matchmaking system beforehand.[/QUOTE] valve doesn't want to draw attention for tf2. if anything they're probably dead tired of taking care of it.

[QUOTE=Magypsy;50162704]At least we've had countless updates to cosmetics. All the new versions of items that can now be worn by other classes are probably more than any new hats we would have gotten by now.[/QUOTE] I like how we've went from getting [new weapons & cosmetics], to [updates to old weapons and new cosmetics], to [only new cosmetics], and now finally [only updates to old cosmetics] I guess you can imagine what the final destination is.

[QUOTE=poptart TF2;50162244]because game companies do it all the fucking time, why do you think battleborne had its open beta at the same time as dooms. Its an incredibly common practice to try and hold events for your own game to draw attention away from competitors to retain more of your playerbase, its been done constantly among game companies for decades. Its why consoles usually release at the same time, why game releases generally happen close together, etc. It just makes logical sense for valve, which is a fucking business to make a noteworthy update to try and draw attention towards there game. Heck it wouldn't surprise me if valves matchmaking was partially motivated by valve wanting to be able to compete, to try and retain its veteran players, considering they never gave a shit about any kind of matchmaking system beforehand.[/QUOTE] If there's anything I've learned from years of contributing and working closely by valve, it's that they absolutely do not care what [i]other companies[/i] either think of them or how they're operating. The releases of other games have 0 to no impact on their work ethic or what they work on. TF2 is almost a decade old, I imagine valve is more thankful then worried that TF2 might finally die off.

[QUOTE=Thatrandomuser;50162934]If there's anything I've learned from years of contributing and working closely by valve, it's that they absolutely do not care what [i]other companies[/i] either think of them or how they're operating. The releases of other games have 0 to no impact on their work ethic or what they work on. TF2 is almost a decade old, I imagine valve is more thankful then worried that TF2 might finally die off.[/QUOTE] Why would they be thankful about TF2 possibly dying? Out of all their current games, TF2, Dota 2 and CS:GO, it arguably takes the least amount of effort to maintain, yet they're still adding what's going to be the biggest crowd drawing and player retaining mode yet: competitive matchmaking. TF2 must still make Valve a lot of money, and they clearly care about it by continuing to release major updates.

We should be grateful, though. Atleast they are bothering with updating a game that is THIS OLD, no matter what. They could have said "Ok guys, seriously. We are done updating this game, it has died after all. This is the last (and we mean this) update we will put out, goodbye." 2 years ago and left us with the smissmas update and nothing else. But, they are still updating it and also trying to add new features into it. I would say we are in a fine state, actually. With MM probably coming outta beta soon (Which will not """save""" TF2, but will bring more attention to it.) we should be grateful for what we got, for what we might get in the future might be infinitely worse.

[QUOTE=Demo-the-man;50163022]We should be grateful, though. Atleast they are bothering with updating a game that is THIS OLD, no matter what. They could have said "Ok guys, seriously. We are done updating this game, it has died after all. This is the last (and we mean this) update we will put out, goodbye." 2 years ago and left us with the smissmas update and nothing else. But, they are still updating it and also trying to add new features into it. I would say we are in a fine state, actually. With MM probably coming outta beta soon (Which will not """save""" TF2, but will bring more attention to it.) we should be grateful for what we got, for what we might get in the future might be infinitely worse.[/QUOTE] I'm sorry but it's stupid when people say we should be grateful or happy Valve bothers to update TF2 anymore. If the game was completely free and there was no way for Valve to make money on the game anymore I would agree with you, but TF2 probably makes Valve tens of millions of dollars a year. They aren't still updating the game out of the kindness of their hearts, they are making a bunch of money with the in game economy and it's not unreasonable for us to except decent updates to the game as long as they are. That's how a game run as a service works.

[QUOTE=ComodoreBluth;50163747]I'm sorry but it's stupid when people say we should be grateful or happy Valve bothers to update TF2 anymore. If the game was completely free and there was no way for Valve to make money on the game anymore I would agree with you, but TF2 probably makes Valve tens of millions of dollars a year. They aren't still updating the game out of the kindness of their hearts, they are making a bunch of money with the in game economy and it's not unreasonable for us to except decent updates to the game as long as they are. That's how a game run as a service works.[/QUOTE] Valve made 139 MILLION off of TF2 in 2013, with comparable numbers for 2014, 15. You'd think with all that sweet, sweet cashola they'd get around to fixing and polishing things. I mean heck, isn't the point of being successful to use the cash you made to make things even better and therefore generate even more cash? Then again maybe Valve knows that 140 Million with no work is better than 170 Million [I]with[/I] work.

[QUOTE=ComodoreBluth;50163747]I'm sorry but it's stupid when people say we should be grateful or happy Valve bothers to update TF2 anymore. If the game was completely free and there was no way for Valve to make money on the game anymore I would agree with you, but TF2 probably makes Valve tens of millions of dollars a year. They aren't still updating the game out of the kindness of their hearts, they are making a bunch of money with the in game economy and it's not unreasonable for us to except decent updates to the game as long as they are. That's how a game run as a service works.[/QUOTE] The thing is dota 2 and cs:go rakes in more money for them than anything tf2 would do, that and look at player count. There isn't too much of a reason for them to keep tf2 up and running, other than adding cosmetics for that sweet cash and nothing else. Think of it proportionately as well. 1 million dollars looks less in the eyes of a billionaire compared to a millionaire. If that makes sense.

Valve is slow with updates in Dota 2 aswell. Right now people are begging them and Icefrog for a new balance update. (and also Pit Lord)

[QUOTE=Zadrave;50163829]The thing is dota 2 and cs:go rakes in more money for them than anything tf2 would do, that and look at player count. There isn't too much of a reason for them to keep tf2 up and running, other than adding cosmetics for that sweet cash and nothing else. Think of it proportionately as well. 1 million dollars looks less in the eyes of a billionaire compared to a millionaire. If that makes sense.[/QUOTE] Sure DOTA2 and CSGO have higher player counts and probably make more money for Valve but it doesn't mean they should just stop supporting TF2. Honestly what do you think would happen if Valve stopped supporting TF2? A bunch of people would sell their items and the ingame economy would be in free fall. People invested in the CSGO or DOTA2 economy would take a look at Valve dropping TF2 and wonder if they should cash out as well. As long as TF2, CSGO and DOTA2 all have in game economies (especially since they all connect through steam trading) Valve is in it for the long haul for those games. They can't drop support without seriously harming the economy of one, which would have a ripple effect on the others.

[QUOTE=Zadrave;50159848]You do realize they can balance weapons for comp, right? I'm pretty sure everyone agreed that once competitive is a thing, they will look at statistics and balance weapons accordingly.[/QUOTE] Crit-a-Cola is still fucking bullshit that got buffed for no reason. Valve's had 3 years to notice it.

[QUOTE=Zadrave;50163829]The thing is dota 2 and cs:go rakes in more money for them than anything tf2 would do, that and look at player count. There isn't too much of a reason for them to keep tf2 up and running, other than adding cosmetics for that sweet cash and nothing else. Think of it proportionately as well. 1 million dollars looks less in the eyes of a billionaire compared to a millionaire. If that makes sense.[/QUOTE] "I have three geese, one lays gold eggs, one silver eggs and the last one bronze eggs. I'd better kill the bronze one since gold and silver are worth more!"

There's the ESEA matches going on, probably not gonna see a significant patch until that's over

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;50163811]Valve made 139 MILLION off of TF2 in 2013, with comparable numbers for 2014, 15. You'd think with all that sweet, sweet cashola they'd get around to fixing and polishing things.[/QUOTE] Or at the very least accept fixes from the community as plenty have been made.

[QUOTE=Razi The Red;50165485]Or at the very least accept fixes from the community as plenty have been made.[/QUOTE] hnng don't get me started There are SO MANY mods and workshop items that simply fix the crap valve leaves in the game. How hard would it be for valve to say, "hey can we implement this?" - the modder just wants to see it fixed, not any glorification or reward or anything like that. And could you imagine how many people would be knocking on their door with bug fixes and optimizations if they rewarded players with something like community-quality items?

they give you the cockroach hat now

no actually they still hand out community guns sigsev got a comm sniper a couple days ago

[QUOTE=chandlerj333;50166101]they give you the cockroach hat now[/QUOTE] 's cute toh, kinda upset you cant get it normally.

[QUOTE=Hell-met;50166108]no actually they still hand out community guns sigsev got a comm sniper a couple days ago[/QUOTE] good for him, that guy's videos are so well-researched and novel. leagues more interesting than any other TF2 uploader I can think of right now.

[B]"Florida LAN's 2016 Tournament"[/B] [URL="http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=21442"]http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=21442[/URL]

[QUOTE=Jhejh poT;50168762][B]"Florida LAN's 2016 Tournament"[/B] [URL="http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=21442"]http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=21442[/URL][/QUOTE] In miami? Why would it be hosted that far south instead of in kissimee/orlando?

[QUOTE=A_Guardian;50170535]In miami? Why would it be hosted that far south instead of in kissimee/orlando?[/QUOTE] it was decided by vote, and probably venue availability/pricing but i dunno about the last 2

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[QUOTE=A_Guardian;50170535]In miami? Why would it be hosted that far south instead of in kissimee/orlando?[/QUOTE] because miami is the shit dude, everything is pink and teal and everyone wears white suits with t-shirts and ray bans and synth rock plays on the streets 24/7 and the hot beach babes, no TF2 event can go without the beach babes

[QUOTE=Jhejh poT;50168762][B]"Florida LAN's 2016 Tournament"[/B] [URL="http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=21442"]http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=21442[/URL][/QUOTE] Huh, I drive past the DoubleTree every day on the way to school. Might find myself going. :v:

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;50171290]because miami is the shit dude, everything is pink and teal and everyone wears white suits with t-shirts and ray bans and synth rock plays on the streets 24/7 and the hot beach babes, no TF2 event can go without the beach babes[/QUOTE] Everything amazing this world has to offer can be found in Miami Live footage: [media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTidn2dBYbY[/media] Only one thing is missing, TF2.

We need a cyberpunk Miami map in the game, stat

[QUOTE=Doctor Hunt;50172221]We need a cyberpunk Miami map in the game, stat[/QUOTE] It requires you push a cart full of cocaine and hairspray past a police station full of hiply dressed detectives, a hawaiian shirt warehouse, a gang of rough but likable cuban youths, the bikini and rollerskate rental emporium, the sleeveless turquoise and skin colored shirt boutique, the deconstructed white linen suit coat market, the deck shoe bazaar, the black and white checkered pattern tie factory, the neon piping production plant, the alligator housing preserve, the Ferarri car lot, the synthesizer and Casio keyboard convention, Jan Hammer's house, 47 newly constructed beachside mansions, and a giant 80 foot Japanese-constructed robotic Ronald Reagan. Where's my million bucks, Valve.

Don't forget every cap point playing synthwave music when you roll the cart over it