LMAOBOX is finally dead. Valve takes a stance against cheaters! - Games

[QUOTE=axelord157;50247494]like masturbating in an airplane.[/QUOTE] Pretty sure this is illegal

[QUOTE=Tobin;50247514]Pretty sure this is illegal[/QUOTE] It's called the law of the land, not the law in the air.

[QUOTE=Upgrade;50247225]Hollywood does have a tendency to glamourize people who cheat the system e.g. 21 (card counting), Catch Me If You Can (check fraud), Wall Street (insider trading)[/QUOTE] Most of these movies are about people who deploy a skill for illicit personal gain. It's fun to watch Leonardo DiCaprio skillfully avoid the police. Where's the skill in downloading a cheating program? You're not even playing the game at that point, you're just flipping a switch and waiting for an outcome.

[QUOTE=Enterim;50247586]Most of these movies are about people who deploy a skill for illicit personal gain. It's fun to watch Leonardo DiCaprio skillfully avoid the police. Where's the skill in downloading a cheating program? You're not even playing the game at that point, you're just flipping a switch and waiting for an outcome.[/QUOTE] Cheating in those situations also had the cheater with some sort of cause of personal gain i.e. getting rich. The only thing LMAOBOX users are gaining is the self satisfaction that their artificial skill will make up for their penis size or lack of friends.

[QUOTE=Elstumpo;50246923]It's weird how there's this almost lifestyle built around hacking. The flashy hats, the ego, topping the scoreboard, the bios, the active online presence. It's like a life where they're hot shit all the time and have to let everyone know it- like how cartoons portray the cool mean kids in a school.[/QUOTE] The saddest part for me is the 'wall of fame' or 'butthurt ppl' section, where the guy lists people that he aggravated as some sort of trophies - including their steam profiles and an entire narration on how he got their jimmies rustled or why someone's a sperg/autist/butthurt kid (the most ironic part is that the victims are portrayed as terrible individuals, and our hacker hero has done a noble deed for screwing with them). Sometimes, there's even clear encouragement for everyone reading it to harass or annoy these individuals further (I wonder what Steam's ToS say about that, but I've never bothered reporting someone for a vile profile like that). To think that a guy like that takes time and effort to maintain and edit these entries, just to stroke their ego and maintain this image of an edgelord persona for their troll friends, cheater buddies and 'haters'...

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;50247540]It's called the law of the land, not the law in the air.[/QUOTE] Indecent exposure is only law of the land? why have i not seen people straight up fucking in airplanes then hmm

[QUOTE=Blackavar;50248524]Indecent exposure is only law of the land? why have i not seen people straight up fucking in airplanes then hmm[/QUOTE] [img]http://media.giphy.com/media/SnO01hAwIXw0o/giphy.gif[/img] [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Reaction image." - Bradyns))[/highlight]

Ah, Leslie nielsen. Rest in peace.

[QUOTE=Blackavar;50248524]Indecent exposure is only law of the land? why have i not seen people straight up fucking in airplanes then hmm[/QUOTE] Because the airline says you can't.

[QUOTE=Blackavar;50248524]Indecent exposure is only law of the land? why have i not seen people straight up fucking in airplanes then hmm[/QUOTE] I thought he was thinking of masturbating while locked in the airplane bathroom I don't know whether or not it's illegal but you are preventing people who may actually need the bathroom from using it, so it's kind of a jerk move.

[QUOTE=lavacano;50250348]I thought he was thinking of masturbating while locked in the airplane bathroom I don't know whether or not it's illegal but you are preventing people who may actually need the bathroom from using it, so [B]it's kind of a jerk move.[/B][/QUOTE] :quotes:

[QUOTE=axelord157;50247494]It's not illegal it's frowned upon, like masturbating in an airplane.[/QUOTE] It's frowned upon [I]by casinos[/I], if any person that doesn't work in the industry doesn't like card counters then they're drinking the coolaid

[QUOTE=lavacano;50250348]I thought he was thinking of masturbating while locked in the airplane bathroom I don't know whether or not it's illegal but you are preventing people who may actually need the bathroom from using it, so it's kind of a jerk move.[/QUOTE] can you really not resist yourself that badly that you think of wanking that much

This question might be silly, but how does VAC detect cheats? Does the cheater have to run the game while using cheats to get banned?

Yes, they have to run it, and they have to be connected to a VAC secured server. Then, it checks for signatures of known cheats loaded into the memory/attached to the game. (Simply put, it actually does a lot more than signature checks)

So how did people not get away with cheating by simply deleting the cheats from their computers when finding out about the ban wave? Or did I misunderstand something

we're not supposed to truly know how it works, that's the point

When VAC detects you, it flags your account, but does not ban you instantly. You don't know about it, but you're already doomed at that point. Few weeks/month(s) later, it will hand out a ban, so the cheaters would have a harder time figuring out exactly which cheat caused it. If VAC marks you, you can delete the hacks, but you will still get banned after some time.

[QUOTE=Hell-met;50256819]we're not supposed to truly know how it works, that's the point[/QUOTE] There's still dumps of VAC on sites like unknowncheats you can open in IDA 64 to further reverse engineer (to find exploits and how it works) so it's far from perfect (not knowing how it works). That's how a lot of 'undetected' cheats made some major cash from- by finding small loopholes they can widen and exploit, while also documenting VAC's behaviour to spoof checks, or to (attempt) to get around them.

What a shitty hack

[QUOTE=jonu67;50250592]:quotes:[/QUOTE] thank you, i was hoping someone would catch that :v: [QUOTE=perrryz;50256709]This question might be silly, but how does VAC detect cheats? Does the cheater have to run the game while using cheats to get banned?[/QUOTE] :mystery: The way I understand it is VAC checks the running process memory, the games files, and a few other things for things it knows are bad news, usually in a blacklist, but devs have the option of marking certain files as "[b]any[/b] change to this is cheating". Then, when it finds such a thing, it marks the account as cheating, but pretends it doesn't know shit until an indeterminate amount of time later, sometimes weeks, sometimes months, when they ban you for whatever group that game happens to be in (all Source games, all GoldSrc games, etc). The idea behind the way VAC works (when deployed correctly) is that it works with server admins to make their lives easier, and the delayed ban is supposed to make it difficult to tell exactly what it was that you used that got you banned, so hack authors can't just update it and steal some other schmuck's Steam account every time VAC gets an update. Neither of those principles are effective in the case of a widespread public hack like LMAObox, however.

[QUOTE=Blackavar;50248524]Indecent exposure is only law of the land? why have i not seen people straight up fucking in airplanes then hmm[/QUOTE] Have you never heard of the Mile High Club?

[QUOTE=Zeos;50237761]I don't understand how a lot of these people can be so pompous?? You were shit at the game and literally CHEATED to be 'good'. Yet somehow that gives them an idea that they're better than regular people?[/QUOTE] Some people are blinded by their own ego, I know a few players who I've played with in ugc gold and etf2l mid 6s with yet still sandbag in the lowest ranks yet at so proud of them selves, its pretty sad tbh

Note VAC will activate in general too if you happen to have something running on another game, forgot to turn off the cheat engine and play one of their games I was using a cheat engine for Valkyria chronicles, I then decided to play a quick round of TF2, the VAC system detected the Cheat Engine cause I forgot to turn it off. Though it seems I only suffered from being kicked out of servers as the cheat engine wasnt attached to TF2 but it was on in general.

-read back through, v late- [editline]5th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE='[Sage] Cblt;50233401']Uh, I wish I didn't checked that. Ego overflow af. :nope: Yay for VAC, I guess. Keep in mind that he can still see them, not use them in any case. Which is even better.[/QUOTE] wait, do VAC-banned players not even get to play the game? I thought they just were locked out of valve servers.

[QUOTE=ikes;50263966] wait, do VAC-banned players not even get to play the game? I thought they just were locked out of valve servers.[/QUOTE] Locked out of all VAC-secure servers, which is pretty much 98% of all servers out there.

[QUOTE=gigazelle;50264109]Locked out of all VAC-secure servers, which is pretty much 98% of all servers out there.[/QUOTE] oh right, forgot community servers also used VAC. I heard of one game (I think a battlefield title?) would have hacker-exclusive servers where players who were banned for using cheats would get to play only witho ther banned players.

[QUOTE=ikes;50264197]oh right, forgot community servers also used VAC. I heard of one game (I think a battlefield title?) would have hacker-exclusive servers where players who were banned for using cheats would get to play only witho ther banned players.[/QUOTE] I think Rockstar did this with Max Payne 3.

[QUOTE=gav618;50264325]I think Rockstar did this with Max Payne 3.[/QUOTE] They did (Cheaters pool - which resets your money to 0 if you enter it, then your rank + money on a second trip) but when GTA Online first came out (on the 360 and PS3), they went from cheaters pool to flat out banning people within the first 2-3 weeks of release (Mod menus weren't really around then, but external tools were so you'd connect those from your PC to your modded console and it would basically act like Cheat engine - finding values in memory (on your console) and changing them to do things). In fact - cheaters pool is no longer used at all. It used to have the occasional person who slipped the ban hammer but got a more 'minor' punishment, but now it's just flat bans. Not quite on topic with cheaters pool, but we also had "Modders Pool" where the game would put you if you had 'mismatched' files due to update.rpf modding. You could only connect (or join the game of) players who had the [B][I]EXACT[/I][/B] same modded update.rpf as you, otherwise it would error. Of course, you could get around this using 'script bypasses' and get into non-modded lobbies with modded files (for mod menus, garage blacklist bypasses etc). This wasn't really intentional, hence why we don't have it on the PC (wish we did though. No money or rank - just allowing us to spawn cars etc). Also speaking of anti-cheats, at one point (on consoles) - R*'s pseudo anti-cheat scanned your files for words like "Menu" and would ban accordingly (this could be a blank file, or even a (weirdly) named system file in the wrong directory with "menu" in it's name (like "XMB_menu.xml") and it would still trigger a ban). Obviously they never thought people would just rename their files to other things to get around it as this system was kept until a few updates when it was removed due to how much of a waste of space it was. [I] [I started GTA modding on my JB PS3 around just after menu bases appeared, and moved onto SPRX plugin menus, then onto the PC so I've seen almost all of it. I've carried on developing on the PC with my own stuff and helping out with ENT. Before anyone goes crazy - I only modded in invite only by myself since I hated being around other, 'trigger happy' players]. [/I] [B][I]On topic:[/I][/B] Dark Souls (2-3 I know of does this) puts you into a 'cheaters pool' where you can only play with other 'cheaters'. Problem is, it detects modded items and puts you there so if you happen to pick up a modded item from someone who invaded you by accident, or not knowing it was modded in some way - you're put in there too.

[QUOTE=ikes;50264197]oh right, forgot community servers also used VAC. I heard of one game (I think a battlefield title?) would have hacker-exclusive servers where players who were banned for using cheats would get to play only witho ther banned players.[/QUOTE] Most likely thinking of Titanfall.