LMAOBOX is finally dead. Valve takes a stance against cheaters!

[Whomobile]

[QUOTE=phillipc;50290568]Still plenty of hackers out there using a variant of LMAObox, one of them today had a really nasty one that would delete the chat function, it even cleared out the console command when I was playing replacing it with LMAObox's oh so lovely slogan.

I'm still quite disappointed in Valve as there is always something out there, and even though many people are going to think twice about using a cheat program like that garbage, they should of been more vigilant and focused on putting resources into studying these programs so that they can quickly get rid of them. They can't just do a sweep every now and then, there has to be something or somebody in place that can do regular sweeps on a regular basis, make it harder to make alt accounts, etc...

I feel like this shouldn't be rocket science, I understand that coding and the source engine is kind of complex, but there has to be SOMETHING.[/QUOTE]

I don't even know how some hacks do half of what they're capable of.

The day after the LAMO bans I saw a sniper on a CTF server somehow grab both intels and when he died his team's intel was deleted so we had no chance of winning.

[#1 Duck]

Very frustrating when there is a blatant hacker in the Matching Making beta. Not a lot of choices on your side; you can either abandon and have that against you, or you can play for the loss and lose points in ranking. I know it's beta but wish there was some way to get around it...

[Monokarhu]

[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/tdjXMJv.png[/IMG]

:doubt:

[Yikes!]

[QUOTE=Kapellmeister;50291717][IMG]http://i.imgur.com/tdjXMJv.png[/IMG]

:doubt:[/QUOTE]

to be fair, their actions are shitty, but it's not like every hacker is a genuinely bad person. These are silly games, after all.

[dongalator]

[t]http://i.imgur.com/euuBh7Z.jpg[/t]

Umm, is this normal? This was on a valve server and it was erasing all other chat messages so it could be the only thing seen. I assume its an unrelated hack from some dude on the server.

[Snowshoe]

[QUOTE=dongalator;50295268][t]http://i.imgur.com/euuBh7Z.jpg[/t]

Umm, is this normal? This was on a valve server and it was erasing all other chat messages so it could be the only thing seen. I assume its an unrelated hack from some dude on the server.[/QUOTE]

it's a chat spam in lmaobox that spams newlines

[Mort Stroodle]

Ironically this LMAOBOX ban seems to have had the side effect of increasing the number of hackers once the program got fixed. A lot of people lost their items but for at least a little while it's having the opposite effect of what they wanted.

[Jhejh poT]

They should start banning all those hackers by IP.

Or maybe even by phone number. (Since even i know how to change IP, wow)

[GEquals]

What I never understood was the obvious about LMAOBox (This is On Community Servers I happen to own one ).
I always figured if people are caught hacking they're names are easily found and thus banned, but then when they start changing there names it's hard to track them down, why isn't that built in to SMOC or VAC, If a player changes there names a certain amount of times insta-ban them, But yet it doesn't exist

[That Hat Guy]

[QUOTE=G=4//\/\3!2;50295599]why isn't that built in to SMOC or VAC, If a player changes there names a certain amount of times insta-ban them, But yet it doesn't exist[/QUOTE]

Because that would have the side-effect of banning people who didn't cheat at all, but just like to change their names for whatever reason fairly often. On occasion, I'll change my name on Steam to stupid things that my friends and I say as an in-joke, for example; under a system like that, I'd risk getting banned just because I felt like having those in-jokes once and a while.

[Hell-met]

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;50295336]Ironically this LMAOBOX ban seems to have had the side effect of increasing the number of hackers once the program got fixed. A lot of people lost their items but for at least a little while it's having the opposite effect of what they wanted.[/QUOTE]

good. then valve's going to lay more smackdowns and develop better anti cheats

[BrandoJack]

[QUOTE=Jhejh poT;50295546]They should start banning all those hackers by IP.

Or maybe even by phone number. (Since even i know how to change IP, wow)[/QUOTE]
But the thing is, accounts don't require the Steam Mobile Authenticator, they just benefit from having it in regards to trading/market and account security.
For them to ban hackers by phone number, and have it actually be effective, they'd have to make it a necessity to have your account be authenticated to play F2P games, which would cause an uproar. A quick search shows there's already ways out there to use the Authenticator without having a phone, which shows people would hate it even more if they had to use it to play free games.

[GEquals]

[QUOTE=MarioMaster2008;50295639]Because that would have the side-effect of banning people who didn't cheat at all, but just like to change their names for whatever reason fairly often. On occasion, I'll change my name on Steam to stupid things that my friends and I say as an in-joke, for example; under a system like that, I'd risk getting banned just because I felt like having those in-jokes once and a while.[/QUOTE]

Yes But many LMAOBox users do it constantly, rapidly changing there names multiple times a minute, things like that should be Ban material

[MysticLlama]

[QUOTE=MarioMaster2008;50295639]Because that would have the side-effect of banning people who didn't cheat at all, but just like to change their names for whatever reason fairly often. On occasion, I'll change my name on Steam to stupid things that my friends and I say as an in-joke, for example; under a system like that, I'd risk getting banned just because I felt like having those in-jokes once and a while.[/QUOTE]

You like to jokingly change your name up to 10+ times within the span of a single match?

[Anderan]

[QUOTE=Jhejh poT;50295546]They should start banning all those hackers by IP.

Or maybe even by phone number. (Since even i know how to change IP, wow)[/QUOTE]

Valve did a bunch of bans in CS:GO by account phone numbers a few months ago and people were up in arms claiming they were banning by IP and banning innocent players.

[sombrez]

[QUOTE=Anderan;50296036]Valve did a bunch of bans in CS:GO by account phone numbers a few months ago and people were up in arms claiming they were banning by IP and banning innocent players.[/QUOTE]

They actually added that feature as a part of CS:GO the same day of the TF2 ban wave.

[Mort Stroodle]

[QUOTE=MysticLlama;50295949]You like to jokingly change your name up to 10+ times within the span of a single match?[/QUOTE]

Well I don't think somebody should get fucking VAC banned if they spam name changes one day as a goof. If you just mean getting kicked from the server and banned from it for like 15 minutes like with a votekick, then yeah that's fine, spamming the chat with your name changes like that is annoying, but it should absolutely not VAC ban people.

[That Hat Guy]

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;50296148]Well I don't think somebody should get fucking VAC banned if they happen to spam name changes one day as a goof. If you just mean getting kicked from the server and banned from it for like 15 minutes like with a votekick, then yeah that's fine, spamming the chat with your name changes like that is annoying, but it should absolutely not VAC ban people.[/QUOTE]

Plus, it wasn't clear that they meant "X times within a match" or "X times within a day," either. The proposed system I replied about was "change their names X times," which I initially thought was a cumulative thing.

[FlyingScotsman]

[QUOTE=npypntz;50289673]The person you're thinking of is not Tom, but Robert "gir489" Blody. [url=https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/3fd660/valve_doesnt_want_to_fix_exploits/]Here's the post you're (most likely) thinking of[/url].

It's probably worth mentioning you should take anything gir489 says with a mountain of salt, considering his (very limited) skillset and childish behavior. There is [i]some[/i] truth in what he says but he likes to overexaggerate and take credit for things he was given by people smarter than him.[/QUOTE]

Ironically, LMAOBox uses Gir's TF2 hack base (Darkstorm). I agree with taking everything he says with a mountain of salt though. He's pretty well known in the GTA community for making S0Biet Redux (a menu base which was a DLL, and was crammed into other bases to bypass the anti-cheat) and he was pretty far up his own arse then.

[QUOTE=Oizen;50289671]I really doubt Lmaobox will be fixed again. I mean it took the source code getting leaked for anything to happen.[/QUOTE]

You'd be surprised. It was a lucrative enough business to get him enough money to pay his way through university - he'll obviously want pretty easy cash so will carry on development.

[editline]11th May 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=Stric_Matic;50288048]I don't have screenshots of specific conversations to back up these words, but the creator of lmaobox (he's Czech, btw) was quite vocal and active for a time on forums like r/tf2 and SPUF a couple of years ago. The thing I remember clearly is that it's a guy with a serious ego problem and a very skewed view on 'justice' and what a game company can and cannot do when banning accounts.[/QUOTE]

He went by the username LMAObox on r/tf2, but I can't find a direct link to his account but from being hotlinked to his account via the "LMAOBOX has been detected" sticky (there's a comment in there somewhere), I can confirm he was very vocal a couple of years back (and was downvoted as a result).

[editline]11th May 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;50295336]Ironically this LMAOBOX ban seems to have had the side effect of increasing the number of hackers once the program got fixed. A lot of people lost their items but for at least a little while it's having the opposite effect of what they wanted.[/QUOTE]

I would say it's mostly because "Oh I'll get back at valve for locking my items down".

It's no better than a child being told off, and then having a tantrum to "really show them".

[editline]11th May 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=Jhejh poT;50295546]They should start banning all those hackers by IP.

Or maybe even by phone number. (Since even i know how to change IP, wow)[/QUOTE]

Until times when a phone number is compulsory to use the account (it's only needed for trading at the moment) - that won't work.

They'll also be able to get fake numbers but since those numbers are generally blacklisted pretty quickly, that'll stop the instant "new account time" attitude many hackers have at the moment (can't make an account if the number is banned within minutes).

[editline]11th May 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=MarioMaster2008;50295639]Because that would have the side-effect of banning people who didn't cheat at all, but just like to change their names for whatever reason fairly often. On occasion, I'll change my name on Steam to stupid things that my friends and I say as an in-joke, for example; under a system like that, I'd risk getting banned just because I felt like having those in-jokes once and a while.[/QUOTE]

If it's rapidly changing the name, the steamID itself remains the same.

If anything, it's a simple 'if statement' like:

if(nameChangeTimer <= 2) //2 seconds between name changes
{
	GetSteamID(RapidNameChangingPlayer);
	MarkForBan(RapidNameChangingPlayer);
}

You get the idea.

Hell, you can even do an Overwatch (I think that's the name?) system like in CS:GO where actual humans review the footage of a suspected cheater (from MarkForBan) and they can judge for themselves if it's a hacker or someone goofing off.

[Whomobile]

On a positive note I saw a guy hacking on a valve server getting picked up by VAC (kinda).

[IMG]http://puu.sh/oNwzZ/68f1fac16e.png[/IMG]

Maybe LMAObox isn't safe anymore?

[editline]11th May 2016[/editline]

[URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=682222744"]Yeah,[/URL] [URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=682222769"]playing on Valve pubs this morning,[/URL] [URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=682222835"]lots of hackers,[/URL] [URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=682222860"]looks like LMAObox is definitely back in some form.[/URL]

I just hope it gets picked up now.

[sombrez]

[QUOTE=Whomobile;50296607]On a positive note I saw a guy hacking on a valve server getting picked up by VAC (kinda).

[IMG]http://puu.sh/oNwzZ/68f1fac16e.png[/IMG]

Maybe LMAObox isn't safe anymore?

[editline]11th May 2016[/editline]

[URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=682222744"]Yeah,[/URL] [URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=682222769"]playing on Valve pubs this morning,[/URL] [URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=682222835"]lots of hackers,[/URL] [URL="http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=682222860"]looks like LMAObox is definitely back in some form.[/URL]

I just hope it gets picked up now.[/QUOTE]

That's not a VAC Ban, I've gotten that message before.

[url]https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=2117-ILZV-2837[/url]

[Anderan]

I would assume the scriptkiddies are still mad about accounts getting banned so they are "striking back" with a vengeance.

[lavacano]

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;50296148]Well I don't think somebody should get fucking VAC banned if they spam name changes one day as a goof. If you just mean getting kicked from the server and banned from it for like 15 minutes like with a votekick, then yeah that's fine, spamming the chat with your name changes like that is annoying, but it should absolutely not VAC ban people.[/QUOTE]

Obviously a name change would stop counting against you after a period of time. I figure...six times in five minutes? It's been a while since I've personally seen an LMAOBox user with that feature on, I don't know how fast it normally goes

I doubt Valve is ever going to put it in VAC, but it shouldn't be difficult to implement a name flood plugin in SourceMod, assuming one doesn't exist already.

[Timezbrick]

[QUOTE=Jhejh poT;50295546]They should start banning all those hackers by IP.

Or maybe even by phone number. (Since even i know how to change IP, wow)[/QUOTE]

Is banning by MAC adress a thing?

[Drury]

[QUOTE=ikes;50294466]to be fair, their actions are shitty, but it's not like every hacker is a genuinely bad person. These are silly games, after all.[/QUOTE]

You're absolutely correct, but getting banned from a silly game can't be that bad then, no? They're not taking away your home, your car, and your family or anything.

[DrTaxi]

[QUOTE=Mort Stroodle;50281848]Well I would think that if Valve has the source code, they could keep cranking out VAC detections to LMAOBOX whenever it gets updated. Dunno how much work they're willing to put into it to do that though.[/QUOTE]

No.
They have one version of the source code, they're not gonna have access to the source code for future VAC-bypassing updates.

[editline]11th May 2016[/editline]

[QUOTE=Timezbrick;50298015]Is banning by MAC adress a thing?[/QUOTE]

MAC addresses can be forged easily.

[Whomobile]

I know this is anecdotal, but after playing on some Valve Sydney servers this evening vs playing this morning I saw no hackers tonight compared to the 5 I saw this morning.

So either:

A: Script kiddies went to bed

B: A bunch got "banned", As Cpt. cakes said at the top of this page it doesn't mean they're VAC banned but something is being picked up that's preventing them from playing on VAC servers. I saw a few people say in chat they've seen others get kicked from servers with a similar message too.

Maybe they can't detect LMAOBOX directly but instead updated the flags that trigger the issue with VAC. It was posted a few pages back but wasn't there a thing about TF2's VAC not having the same amount of checks as other VAC games? Maybe they've updated TF2's VAC to pick up these problems.

[Yikes!]

in this whole LMAObox fiasco, were any selfmade hats lost in any VAC'd accounts? That would be lunacy

[gigazelle]

Came across 4 hackers while playing last night. All throwaway accounts.

[Duke_jahu311]

Where in hell are you guys finding these hackers? I've played almost constantly the past few days and have run into zero hackers