LMAOBOX is finally dead. Valve takes a stance against cheaters! - Games

Hey! So anyone else here noticing a steady rise in hackers again? They all seem to of become migratory and move from new account to new account.

[QUOTE=Blackavar;50389579]Ah, but it doesn't have to be a smartphone, just a phone number from their little flip phone or whatever is in their house. I think this would be the best way to go.[/QUOTE] I was thinking about that after I put my reply together. You can get a £7 mobile from Tescos (of all places) so it's little to no excuse not to have [I]some[/I] form of phone (ok, it won't use the authenticator but for basic account creation - the SMS verification should be fine). [editline]25th May 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=Sims_doc;50390728]Hey! So anyone else here noticing a steady rise in hackers again? They all seem to of become migratory and move from new account to new account.[/QUOTE] Most likely because they've got a vendetta against VALVe for catching them during the last ban wave. I tried it myself ages back - took 5 minutes tops to make a new account (although this was for idling, [I][B]not[/B][/I] hacking/cheating). It's a step forward for VAC to now mark and ban accounts which share the same SMS number - but that's useless as that isn't required to make an account to begin with (which I mentioned previously). It also doesn't help that the last time I made a steam account - it accepted the 'disposable' email address I used. Some sites blacklist it, others accept it. Ideally - VALVe should blacklist them.

Could we not just remove the delayed ban thing for signatures that have been known for a good amount of time? (i.e, LMAObox free)

[QUOTE=MysticLlama;50392312]Could we not just remove the delayed ban thing for signatures that have been known for a good amount of time? (i.e, LMAObox free)[/QUOTE] That would make changes to the hack loader (and hack itself) easier to test from the programmer's point of view - so while it would help get rid of hackers quicker, it would have the side effect of allowing the loader and/or hack to also be updated and tweaked faster as well (to get around VAC as if it's an instant detection - you can just as fast tweak it and try again, whereas with a delayed system you don't know if your changes are undetected or not until you get a flurry of complaints from users).

[QUOTE=BonkNickeltoo;50228545]Tonight, Valve released a patch to the VAC systems, with a new lock that will automatically ban current and other users of LMAOBOX; the "scriptkiddie" like cheating program. If you would like to see more info on these matters, use the link to the official TF2 Reddit to read more: [URL="https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/4h1xfv/lmaobox_vac_detected_30th_april_2016/"]https://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/4h1xfv/lmaobox_vac_detected_30th_april_2016/[/URL] Users of LMAOBOX forums, talking about the ban: [IMG]https://i.gyazo.com/f313285144314e55e34ea03b3ff3078e.png[/IMG][/QUOTE] Uhh, I dunno, looks like it isn't stopping there [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ng0iiYZzYkk[/url] [EDIT] Haven't watched the video because my friend sent it to me.

The fact it was detected at all is still a massive thing if you ask me. Of course it won't matter to the people on alts spinbotting, they're not exactly expecting to not get caught. But the previously "untouchable" cheat getting detected at all should scare off the more rational people with something to lose, like comp players or people with truly fat backpacks. And as said in that vid, when there's $$$ involved of course it'll be maintained. But judging from this follow-up wave the lmaobox devs still have a bit of work to do.

[QUOTE=Jesp;50434947]The fact it was detected at all is still a massive thing if you ask me. Of course it won't matter to the people on alts spinbotting, they're not exactly expecting to not get caught. But the previously "untouchable" cheat getting detected at all should scare off the more rational people with something to lose, like comp players or people with truly fat backpacks. And as said in that vid, when there's $$$ involved of course it'll be maintained. But judging from this follow-up wave the lmaobox devs still have a bit of work to do.[/QUOTE] Arguably, it would be 'dev' but since he tends to copy-paste code from other people, you might as well say 'devs' with the amount of 2nd (or even 3rd) party code in that abomination. The problem now is, they'll be more 'wary' about what account they use the hacks on. I wouldn't be surprised if the truly shitty players have already made ~10 or more alt accounts to use the hack on. That way, they just need to login to a new alt (which has already been created) for even faster 'getting back into your match to hack'.

[QUOTE=Zenamez;50392606]That would make changes to the hack loader (and hack itself) easier to test from the programmer's point of view - so while it would help get rid of hackers quicker, it would have the side effect of allowing the loader and/or hack to also be updated and tweaked faster as well (to get around VAC as if it's an instant detection - you can just as fast tweak it and try again, whereas with a delayed system you don't know if your changes are undetected or not until you get a flurry of complaints from users).[/QUOTE] Late reply, but i was thinking that the instant ban would be applied to cheats that have been around for a while, cheats that have been unchanged for months or more. If the dev made a fix for LMAObox free, the delayed system would be applied to catch as many people as possible in the peripheral time around the update, and make it hard for devs to know that it's detected, but after a certain point, it would switch to instant banning, to prevent people from just using the old cheat on alts over and over. And at this point, it would already be more than obvious to the dev that the cheat is detected, so we wouldn't really be helping them. Unless i'm misunderstanding you....

[QUOTE=MysticLlama;50437794]Late reply, but i was thinking that the instant ban would be applied to cheats that have been around for a while, cheats that have been unchanged for months or more. If the dev made a fix for LMAObox free, the delayed system would be applied to catch as many people as possible in the peripheral time around the update, and make it hard for devs to know that it's detected, but after a certain point, it would switch to instant banning, to prevent people from just using the old cheat on alts over and over. And at this point, it would already be more than obvious to the dev that the cheat is detected, so we wouldn't really be helping them. Unless i'm misunderstanding you....[/QUOTE] It's definitely a good idea for catching first time cheaters who have caught the hack scraps falling off the premium (paid for) table although I'd argue cheats/hacks change so often (mostly with 'premium' features dribbling down into any free versions when new features are added to the premium offering - which happens surprisingly often), this might be a null point as those who have been instantly banned would just as quickly remake an account and find the most up to date version of that cheat (which won't instant ban them) by just googling the name of the cheat they used (even for support as to why it banned them so quickly). From a marketing/advertising your product perspective (free hacks are free advertising for your paid for option after all), means that if you keep your 'free' offering updated occasionally (which will get around the instant ban system for a while - but you can also leave it so it goes into the "instant ban" phase to get people looking the hack up again, and can also tell them the "premium" offering will never go into this stage), you're bringing in potential customers for your frequently updated paid version and keeping your name alive so more end up looking up your 'work' and using it (with the cycle continuing). It'll still catch users who are using months old versions (the "first time offending skids" if you will), but the problem with instantly banning them carries the risk of them figuring out how long the hack will last before it instantly bans the user. It could be random amounts of time before banning the user instantly but by that point - a newer version could be released, and the hack loader could auto-update the hack to get around it. It's interesting to see the 'dev' lock down the loader login system when VAC ban waves happen, so he obviously cares about his user base (even though he's got their money already) and will most likely have a team of 'testers' for his 'work', so any detections which occur happen to that small team of testers compared to a huge user base who would not be happy if it happened to them. That's the main hurdle we've got to overcome when trying to figure out ways to ban them quicker. His 'testers' will just be the ones affected (at the moment), which results in him changing the hack's behaviour before release to get around new detections etc. It's quite the game of cat and mouse when you think about it. [I][B]*Edit*[/B][/I] Not wanting to create an "Overwatch Vs. TF2" debate, but I found this [URL="http://www.pcgamer.com/overwatch-cheaters-are-having-a-hard-time/"]PCGamer article[/URL] on how they're dealing with hackers and it might be something VALVe should take a leaf out of their book to tackle. Essentially, a hacker using D3D11 wallhacks was banned. He bought another copy, [I][B]WITHOUT [/B][/I]using hacks and was banned within 2 days. He then bought a VPN and did a whole pile of other 'spoofs' (Mac Address, HDD serials etc) and was still banned. Someone suggested they've put in a registry key which the game searches for, which marks you as a cheater so no matter how many copies you have - you'll be banned. It's pretty ingenious as it's the last place [I]ANYONE [/I]would look for when trying to hide from the anti-cheat. This isn't an isolated incident either. There's more examples in the article. If VALVe got VAC to do the same, you can wave goodbye to Alts as they'd instantly be earmarked for a ban. I don't see hardcore hackers wanting to re-install their OS every time they're banned, and VM performance for games is shocking so there's no 'easy' way around it.

Overwatch system sounds to me like this [QUOTE=The_Rad;50387476]I think valve should permaban by pc or for ip.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Zenamez;50438485] Essentially, a hacker using D3D11 wallhacks was banned. He bought another copy, [I][B]WITHOUT [/B][/I]using hacks and was banned within 2 days. He then bought a VPN and did a whole pile of other 'spoofs' (Mac Address, HDD serials etc) and was still banned. Someone suggested they've put in a registry key which the game searches for, which marks you as a cheater so no matter how many copies you have - you'll be banned. It's pretty ingenious as it's the last place [I]ANYONE [/I]would look for when trying to hide from the anti-cheat. That's actually pretty harsh when you think about it, guy tries out a cheating software, gets banned, wants to start playing the game without cheats, buys the game again and gets banned after. That's like a death sentence for stealing. But it is an effective way to deal with cheaters I won't disagree. EDIT: looks like I am stupid and I can't use quotes

[QUOTE=Gunsexual;50454751] That's actually pretty harsh when you think about it, guy tries out a cheating software, gets banned, wants to start playing the game without cheats, buys the game again and gets banned after. That's like a death sentence for stealing. But it is an effective way to deal with cheaters I won't disagree. EDIT: looks like I am stupid and I can't use quotes[/QUOTE] You have to finish the quote with [/QUOTE]. Yeah Overwatch's system is stupid and overkill, and what if some douche decides to cheat in a cybercafe? Everybody that come to play Overwatch on this computer gets banned. Whoops.

[QUOTE=Untailygean;50454882]Yeah Overwatch's system is stupid and overkill, and what if some douche decides to cheat in a cybercafe? Everybody that come to play Overwatch on this computer gets banned. Whoops.[/QUOTE] it's not a very good idea to play in a cybercafe anyway though, you could install cheats on the computer and get someone banned by vac as well. [editline]4th June 2016[/editline] ok you ruined the quote but you get the idea

[QUOTE=Untailygean;50454882]Yeah Overwatch's system is stupid and overkill, and what if some douche decides to cheat in a cybercafe? Everybody that come to play Overwatch on this computer gets banned. Whoops.[/QUOTE] If Overwatch is clear that if you're cheating you will never be able to play the game again, I think it's completely fair for Blizzard to be that harsh. I sort of wish Valve was just as harsh.

[QUOTE=Untailygean;50454882] Yeah Overwatch's system is stupid and overkill, and what if some douche decides to cheat in a cybercafe? Everybody that come to play Overwatch on this computer gets banned. Whoops.[/QUOTE] I think they would have thought that situation out and planned ahead (just below in my bit about VALVe Cybercafe accounts. Same thing should be the case). [QUOTE=Gunsexual;50454751] That's actually pretty harsh when you think about it, guy tries out a cheating software, gets banned, wants to start playing the game without cheats, buys the game again and gets banned after. That's like a death sentence for stealing. But it is an effective way to deal with cheaters I won't disagree. EDIT: looks like I am stupid and I can't use quotes[/QUOTE] [QUOTE=Gunsexual;50454751] That's actually pretty harsh when you think about it, guy tries out a cheating software, gets banned, wants to start playing the game without cheats, buys the game again and gets banned after. That's like a death sentence for stealing. But it is an effective way to deal with cheaters I won't disagree. EDIT: looks like I am stupid and I can't use quotes[/QUOTE] Blizzard made it very well known that if you cheat, you're not coming back. They've already mentioned it on their forums and it was reported on by almost all major "Games journalism" sites like Destructoid, PC Gamer etc. This was the case for the Beta, so they had their chance to improve (coming to the final game) and blew it. He knew the risks when 'testing the hacks out' so he can only blame himself for what's happening. Besides, how long is 'testing hacks out'? Any of the LMAOBox premium hackers could say they're 'testing out' LMAOBox 24/7 until the account is banned. It's not a good excuse at all. [QUOTE=Gunsexual;50454751]That's like a death sentence for stealing.[/QUOTE] That's not a very good analogy for describing this situation. When you steal, you're banned from the shop (or even the entire chain if it's bad enough) and (most times) heavily prosecuted for it. You knew the risk in stealing, so the outcome should not come as a surprise. Applied to Overwatch - it's the same. You were caught cheating (stealing), knew the risks involved (prosecuted + ban) and did it anyway so the result should not be a surprise, like stealing. [QUOTE=AwfulRanger;50455087]it's not a very good idea to play in a cybercafe anyway though, you could install cheats on the computer and get someone banned by vac as well. [editline]4th June 2016[/editline] ok you ruined the quote but you get the idea[/QUOTE] From what I remember from years back, CyberCafe accounts [I][B]can't[/B][/I] be VAC'd. Cheaters used to buy them en-masse but they were hard to get in the first place (as you had to prove you were a cybercafe) but they got them anyway and used to cheat on them (it was mainly 'premium' hacks which did this). It would be stupid to have them like any other account (can receive VAC bans) as you'd lose a (very expensive) account due to some dipshit with hacks on a USB stick. Of course, it could have changed but that's what I remember about it. [QUOTE=Blackavar;50455276]If Overwatch is clear that if you're cheating you will never be able to play the game again, I think it's completely fair for Blizzard to be that harsh. I sort of wish Valve was just as harsh.[/QUOTE] As I mentioned above - they repeated it a few times, and 'media outlets' further repeated that if you're hacking and caught - you're shown the door and barred. There's no second chance. It's not like it was under-reported on. Personally, I think it's a great system. It's no 'accident' you hacked (even if your "brother did it when you weren't in the room") so it shouldn't be treated like one (given multiple chances (alts)). It's their main deterrent to prevent people from actually hacking in the first place. In TF2's case - you're given a slap on the wrist (using an alt) and can go back to your main. If you're determined to hack, you can just keep creating alts which is the LMAOBox problem. In the ideal case, (best of both worlds) - on your third strike/VAC, VALVe would pull a Blizzard and pull down the hammer. Hard. Third strike and no more Alts. No more playing. You've had your chance to improve and you chose not no so your punishment (permanently banned from that game on any account) is justified.

Honestly if you get caught hacking a Valve representative should come to your house and just beat you senseless with a crowbar. Boom, no more hackers.

[QUOTE=Zenamez;50456916]From what I remember from years back, CyberCafe accounts [I][B]can't[/B][/I] be VAC'd. Cheaters used to buy them en-masse but they were hard to get in the first place (as you had to prove you were a cybercafe) but they got them anyway and used to cheat on them (it was mainly 'premium' hacks which did this). It would be stupid to have them like any other account (can receive VAC bans) as you'd lose a (very expensive) account due to some dipshit with hacks on a USB stick. Of course, it could have changed but that's what I remember about it. [/QUOTE] I had no idea that there was an official valve cybercafe program, but according to the knowledge base [URL="https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1847-IODK-4958"]when a person is detected cheating the PC is disabled.[/URL] [quote] Warning: Repeated VAC infractions in your café may result in your café being moved to generated account, or potentially, removed from the Cyber Café program. [/quote] But this implies you can still be VAC banned with a cybercafe account.

[QUOTE=AwfulRanger;50457000]I had no idea that there was an official valve cybercafe program, but according to the knowledge base [URL="https://support.steampowered.com/kb_article.php?ref=1847-IODK-4958"]when a person is detected cheating the PC is disabled.[/URL] But this implies you can still be VAC banned with a cybercafe account.[/QUOTE] It's been a while since I read up on it so it doesn't surprise me VALVe changed how the system works. Nice that they now take a more "take care of it yourself" approach (by disabling the PC so the owner can sort it out), instead of just letting VAC bans pile up, but aren't enforced.

Reading through the LMAOBOX sub-reddit is both hilarious and sad simultaneously. When a user was asked about why they cheat: [QUOTE]it's only $20, which is about £14.61 for me. i would rather pay $20 to enjoy tf2 for 2 years (before a possible VAC wave) than play it and get constantly annoyed that there's tryhards (and hackers) that ruin my fun.[/QUOTE] damn, what hypocrisy and a bonus (from the same user): [QUOTE]i think you're a faggot if you care about the feelings of others on the internet.[/QUOTE]

I read it just for fun, but found this user named Nazathewolf that topped it all. Laughed my ass of for a while.

[QUOTE=Petachepas;50458796]I read it just for fun, but found this user named Nazathewolf that topped it all. Laughed my ass of for a while.[/QUOTE] Holy shit [url=https://www.reddit.com/user/Nazathewolf]this guy is gold[/url] [quote]Its shocking what the goverment and 1 percent can do to brainwash people... Of course they would do this. Cheaters are smart, they themselves cheated to be the rare one percent and anyone else that tries is competition that must be eliminated. They need pawns that keep working, GO THE EXTRA MILE! They cheer, and the rats, that yearn so desperately for a little bit of praise so they feel like their lives are worth something...[/quote] [quote]Humans are social creatures... They need praise, they need love, they need respect... I dont, honestly... I just need to know i am not being played for a fool. I get my self respect from not doing as i am told... Because i have learned that people that give orders, often are manipulators that want to use people up for their own benefit..[/quote] [quote]ROFL that was the most pitiful attempt to give me a taste of my own medicine i have ever seen... A better attempt was when someone tried to counter hack me with a vacinator medic giving him bullet immunity, but then i used my machete to random crit KO him and said "GET DUNKED ON!" And he got so freaking upset because i went there... I made an undertale quote. :P Anyways back on topic... Your attempts to make me face justice have failed... I care not for my loss of hats, and your predictable and weak attempt to get under my skin emotionally has hit a wall bigger than the one Trump is going to make :)[/quote] [quote]I do not give a flying fuck about skill. I Spent about 2500 hours on TF2 playing fairly and skillfully and then i realized "Hey im good enough to meet my standards, but i am not playing this to meet standards, i am playing this to make other players unhappy" So then i thought to myself. "How can i make other players unhappy? I have made many ignorant, bigot names full of racism, sexism, homophobia, i even made a ku klux klan hood for my engineer, but i still want more... I know! Lets piss off every try hard by hacking, they would loathe that" And they did... Best idea i ever had. You see i do not care about the means of how i achieve an end. The end result was for months i had spawn camped entire teams as a solo sniper because i could not miss... It was SO funny, it even made my depressed father with PTSD from Vietnam laugh, so that alone was worth it.[/quote]

Hope you didn't missed his obvious PTSD about 30-year-old-fat-Wallmart-workers-dapper-Scout players :v:

I love how he/she says "I am not going to learn from my mistakes, cause I am not making any!" I am sure being a basement dwelling furry (judging by his name) who thinks he is such a special snowflake and a cool kid because he hacks in video games and acts like an asshole to everyone around him is indeed a mistake, but whatever floats his boat. Also: [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/B1WCyZM.png[/IMG] [IMG]http://i.imgur.com/bAwimAY.png[/IMG] From the same guy. Of course your parents would think you're great, everyone's does! I could literally become a serial killer and me good ole' parents would still be proud of me and think I am the best!

All I can say is: what the actual fuck?

That guy seems very insecure about his own body

[QUOTE=someone101001;50459222]Is he the "*sniffles nefariously*" guy?[/QUOTE] I need more backstory about that :v:

Without the modern derogatory function of the word "autism" I do actually have to wonder if he has autism and needs help.

Okay, as someone who is the exact opposite: A pleasant person, i have to ask: [B]How the fuck is this person going to survive in life?[/B]

[QUOTE=lateguy;50459774]Okay, as someone who is the exact opposite: A pleasant person, i have to ask: [B]How the fuck is this person going to survive in life?[/B][/QUOTE] Using my telepathic powers I know he would say something like "Life has to survive me" or "I don't follow society rules, I'm going to be the the edgiest Mowgli ever seen" or shit like that. Being 15 is the hell of an adventure for some spoiled bastards.

you cant escape life with videogames forever. they'll eventually learn things do not work the way they believe out there. ignore them and everything will smack them down in due time. physically or psychologically. probably both.