LMAOBOX is finally dead. Valve takes a stance against cheaters! - Games

[QUOTE=br0ken_;50235450]I've been hearing a lot of conflicting things. When you get VAC'd what exactly happens to your inventory?[/QUOTE] From what I've seen your items become untradable now

Just checked my friends list, glad to see that none of them were banned yesterday.

all of their items should be giftapulted and become untradeable :v:

I like the idea of them being given to Tip of the Hats

[QUOTE=br0ken_;50235450]I've been hearing a lot of conflicting things. When you get VAC'd what exactly happens to your inventory?[/QUOTE] From what Zenamez told us It marks them all untradable essentially locking them to your banned account So when anyone says those items are gone they technically are not

[QUOTE=VeLlix;50235659]all of their items should be giftapulted and become untradeable :v:[/QUOTE] I get that this was a joke, but could imagine if that was a thing? Random new players suddenly getting thrown 1000 dollar unusuals would be hilarious

[QUOTE=Ermac20;50235900]From what Zenamez told us It marks them all untradable essentially locking them to your banned account So when anyone says those items are gone they technically are not[/QUOTE] A lot of these people including the guy with the 3 burning sunbeam team plasma captain squid octopussy hats seem to forget that steam is a DRM program, it's a good DRM, but it's still a DRM we all agreed to use! We do not fully own these items 100%, Valve allows us to keep these items so long as we do not break their rules, and if you break them like say... installing a cheat program to give you an advantage over everybody else, welp... too bad so sad for you, we're locking up all your shit. Everybody who plays TF2 agreed to valve's ToS. So if anybody starts up with a long winded post about how they were cheated because they cheated, just show them this: [url]http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/[/url] [QUOTE]4. ONLINE CONDUCT, CHEATING AND ILLEGAL BEHAVIOR You agree that you will be personally responsible for any use of your Account with your login and/or password and for all of the communication and activity on Steam that results from such use of your Account and of Steam, and that Valve is not responsible of the use made of your Account and of all communications and activities on Steam resulting from the use of your Account. If you believe that the confidentiality of your login and/or password may have been compromised, you must notify Valve via the support form ([url]https://support.steampowered.com/newticket.php[/url]) without any delay. Your online conduct and interaction with other Subscribers should be guided by common sense and basic etiquette. Specific requirements may also be found in the Steam Online Conduct rules at [url]http://steampowered.com/index.php?area=online_conduct[/url], other Rules of Use, the Subscription Terms, or in terms of use imposed by third parties who host particular games or other services. Steam and the Content and Services may include functionality designed to identify software or hardware processes or functionality that may give a player an unfair competitive advantage when playing multiplayer versions of any Content and Services or modifications of Content and Services (“Cheats”). You agree that you will not create Cheats or assist third parties in any way to create or use Cheats. You agree that you will not directly or indirectly disable, circumvent, or otherwise interfere with the operation of software designed to prevent or report the use of Cheats. You acknowledge and agree that either Valve or any online multiplayer host may refuse to allow you to participate in certain online multiplayer games if you use Cheats in connection with Steam or the Content and Services. Further, you acknowledge and agree that an online multiplayer host may report your use of Cheats to Valve, and Valve may communicate your history of use of Cheats to other online multiplayer hosts. Valve may terminate your Account or a particular Subscription for any conduct or activity that Valve believes is illegal, constitutes a Cheat, or otherwise negatively affects the enjoyment of Steam by other Subscribers. You acknowledge that Valve is not required to provide you notice before terminating your Subscriptions(s) and/or Account, but it may choose to do so. You may not use Cheats, automation software (bots), mods, hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software, to modify or automate any Subscription Marketplace process.[/QUOTE] [QUOTE]C. Termination by Valve Valve may cancel your Account or any particular Subscription(s) at any time in the event that (a) Valve ceases providing such Subscriptions to similarly situated Subscribers generally, or (b) you breach any terms of this Agreement (including any Subscription Terms or Rules of Use). In the event that your Account or a particular Subscription is terminated or cancelled by Valve for a violation of this Agreement or improper or illegal activity, no refund, including of any Subscription fees or of any unused funds in your Steam Wallet, will be granted.[/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=phillipc;50236126]A lot of these people including the guy with the 3 burning sunbeam team plasma captain squid octopussy hats seem to forget that steam is a DRM program, it's a good DRM, but it's still a DRM we all agreed to use! We do not fully own these items 100%, Valve allows us to keep these items so long as we do not break their rules, and if you break them like say... installing a cheat program to give you an advantage over everybody else, welp... too bad so sad for you, we're locking up all your shit. Everybody who plays TF2 agreed to valve's ToS.[B] So if anybody starts up with a long winded post about how they were cheated because they cheated, just show them this:[/B] [url]http://store.steampowered.com/subscriber_agreement/[/url][/QUOTE] But uuuugh, that requires reading. Who has got time for that?

[QUOTE=Ermac20;50234893][url]http://forums.backpack.tf/index.php?/topic/50760-big-backpack-guy-shot-down-by-vac/[/url] If any of this is true then this guy definitely needs help, take it with a pinch of salt though[/QUOTE] this guy just want attention now, "Hey look i had a big backpack and it was shot down by VAC pls help me go on with it :'(((" just ridiculous

[QUOTE=Zenamez;50231434]Nope, doesn't work like that at all. They were using an exploit in VAC (which was patched in other VAC games) which allowed it to hide under the radar (it was bypassing a specific search in the PE header of the file (a PE header being the first part of a compiled file which contains the owner, type of file, executable type etc), which reported back to VAC's scan it was a legit GPU driver and not a hack, or so I hear) so VALVe patched it (by making it double check everything, instead of just going "Oh ok. Thanks for telling me" like it was doing before). -snip- [/QUOTE] I know I'm a few pages late to reply to your post but I feel like I should address this. PE header erasing/modification has been detected by VAC2 and 3 for quite a while and I'm pretty sure LMAOBox did not rely on that alone as its protection technique. Certain VAC scan gate(s) cross-reference memory mapped module PE headers with on-disk module PE headers (as it's still possible to retrieve the module name and full path despite its header being destroyed/altered,) raising red flags if headers don't match or the module does not exist on disk. You're right about LMAOBox being full of different public sources however, seeing how it started off as a fork of Kalvin's ages old VDC Darkstorm source code which then slowly evolved into LMAOBox we know today through years of implementing various different features/exploits people have been sharing both publicly and privately.

[QUOTE=npypntz;50236621]I know I'm a few pages late to reply to your post but I feel like I should address this. PE header erasing/modification has been detected by VAC2 and 3 for quite a while and I'm pretty sure LMAOBox did not rely on that alone as its protection technique. Certain VAC scan gate(s) cross-reference memory mapped module PE headers with on-disk module PE headers (as it's still possible to retrieve the module name and full path despite its header being destroyed/altered,) raising red flags if headers don't match or the module does not exist on disk. You're right about LMAOBox being full of different public sources however, seeing how it started off as a fork of Kalvin's ages old VDC Darkstorm source code which then slowly evolved into LMAOBox we know today through years of implementing various different features/exploits people have been sharing both publicly and privately.[/QUOTE] Thanks for the correction (was just quoting what I read from another thread). From what I heard, the erasing was part of a large chunk of spoofing/bypassing (like randomising hashes etc) but it would be interesting to hear what made it so undetected for so long though.

[QUOTE=Digivee;50235026]Its kinda funny how uninformed people are when it comes to Lmaobox. Hell, VNN even said it "allowed you to shoot through walls" Maybe see through them, but not shoot through them. Blame tf2's shitty net code for the wall shooting shit. Speedhacks were patched out a long while ago. Lmaobox doesn't give you god mode. It only gave melee crits. It doesn't unlock sv_cheats for you. You couldn't noclip around or anything of the sort.[/QUOTE] Getting shot behind cover is a valid side effect of lag compensation in situations where network latency is high, not shitty netcode - the rest of your post is ok tho

[QUOTE=DrogenViech;50236982]Getting shot behind cover is a valid side effect of lag compensation in situations where network latency is high, not shitty netcode - the rest of your post is ok tho[/QUOTE] it [i]is[/i] shitty netcode. there's a reason CSGO keeps having those big updates where the framework of source itself gets a whole rehaul. TF2 probably still uses tech from 2006 or less.

[QUOTE=Hell-met;50237025]it [i]is[/i] shitty netcode. there's a reason CSGO keeps having those big updates where the framework of source itself gets a whole rehaul. TF2 probably still uses tech from 2006 or less.[/QUOTE] TF2 uses the same netcode that is present in HL2DM, it hasn't been updated since so it's technically using 2003/4 tech with lag compensation tacked on top, that was the only major change.

People bitch about TF2's net code but I've played games without lag compensation at all. [b]Where you have to shoot the air in front of people depending on both your pings.[/b]

[QUOTE=Snowshoe;50237244]People bitch about TF2's net code but I've played games without lag compensation at all. [b]Where you have to shoot the air in front of people depending on both your pings.[/b][/QUOTE] the thing is in reality it's still exactly what's happening, except lag comp makes it so shooting a model works as expected. it's why melee is so terrible and "facestabs" work. Or blood splats on sniper faces happen. people are ahead of what they appear by whatever ping they got in miliseconds. I've also played games where everything looks as it appears even with ping. there's not much excuse.

[QUOTE=Hell-met;50237025]it [i]is[/i] shitty netcode. there's a reason CSGO keeps having those big updates where the framework of source itself gets a whole rehaul. TF2 probably still uses tech from 2006 or less.[/QUOTE] CS:GO's netcode isn't too fantastic either, most notably the choke handling which makes laggy enemies nigh-unhittable. There's a few issues that highlight that whoever was modifying it had [i]no clue[/i] as to what the fuck they were doing. [editline]1st May 2016[/editline] Oh and the fact that pSilent [b]still[/b] works in overwatch demos.

I don't understand how a lot of these people can be so pompous?? You were shit at the game and literally CHEATED to be 'good'. Yet somehow that gives them an idea that they're better than regular people?

[QUOTE=Zeos;50237761]I don't understand how a lot of these people can be so pompous?? You were shit at the game and literally CHEATED to be 'good'. Yet somehow that gives them an idea that they're better than regular people?[/QUOTE] B-but I need to win and get the highest score streak on the server and get 30 pocket medics on me!

[QUOTE=Zeos;50237761]I don't understand how a lot of these people can be so pompous?? You were shit at the game and literally CHEATED to be 'good'. Yet somehow that gives them an idea that they're better than regular people?[/QUOTE] Nonetheless cheated at TF2 of all games. It does take a lot of skill to be fairly talented at TF2 and practice too of course, but it's not THAT complicated to figure out the mechanics/works of the game :v: Idk I hardly understand cheating at online competitive games like that period. If you're that desperate to win and prove yourself to online strangers that's kinda sad. I mean I like winning too, who doesn't? But jesus christ I'd rather it be my own hard working victory

[QUOTE=kingstead;50237866]Nonetheless cheated at TF2 of all games. It does take a lot of skill to be fairly talented at TF2 and practice too of course, but it's not THAT complicated to figure out the mechanics/works of the game :v:[/QUOTE] if making an alt account is too complicated for them, i'm sure that is too.

id imagine comp players don't make alts because it would be incredibly suspicious if they need to switch to an alt to play

I think the sweet, sweet sound of people who were banned pretending to shrug it off is so much better than the feeling you would get by using cheats. And oh is it sweet.

[QUOTE=Zeos;50237761]I don't understand how a lot of these people can be so pompous?? You were shit at the game and literally CHEATED to be 'good'. Yet somehow that gives them an idea that they're better than regular people?[/QUOTE] I would say LMAOBox being 'undetected' for 2 years made them incredibly cocky with their script-kiddy cheats. It would make a great psychology thesis: Cheating in video games - the best way to create a toxic, hopeless ego.

if you can't figure out how to play tf2 then shooting based video games aren't for you not to be patronizing but tf2 is the simplest game to learn. If you REALLY can't learn how to play it that badly, even mildly effectively, then shooters aren't for you. I'd say it's pissloads easier to understand than CoD at least. And CoD is pretty easy to pick up and enjoy.

[QUOTE=Zeos;50237761]I don't understand how a lot of these people can be so pompous?? You were shit at the game and literally CHEATED to be 'good'. Yet somehow that gives them an idea that they're better than regular people?[/QUOTE] The idea, I think, is that because the cheating didn't affect their trading, they feel like they were stolen from. A lot of these people play the game JUST for the trading (There are big bux to be made) and the game is kind of left to the side.... I mean, TF2 isn't exactly the most competitive game on the market.

Oh god reading all the "Im not mad, I only lost hundreds of dollars" from people is great. Good job finally getting to them tf2 dudes

Jesus, I haven't looked at this post in over 24 hours. What did I miss?

[QUOTE=OceanGovernor;50239915]Oh god reading all the "Im not mad, I only lost hundreds of dollars" from people is great. Good job finally getting to them tf2 dudes[/QUOTE] To be honest, it's kinda sad that people would buy all these items and then hack just to lose them all in the end. Not only does it effect them, but it also effects the economy. In short words: Rest in peace to a Golden Pan and a Burning Flames TC.

[QUOTE=BonkNickeltoo;50240665]To be honest, it's kinda sad that people would buy all these items and then hack just to lose them all in the end. Not only does it effect them, but it also effects the economy. In short words: Rest in peace to a Golden Pan and a Burning Flames TC.[/QUOTE] fuck them seriously, fuck them. they knew the risk, and they ignored it. no hack will forever be undetectable.