VALVE CUT CONTENT V2+1: Digging through Valve's trash since 2003! - Games

If the Many Worlds Interpretation is true, not only is there a universe where Half-Life 3 existed and was released, there's a universe where it came out and was total garbage. There's a universe where HL1, 2, and 3 were all made on slightly upgrade GoldSrc only two years apart from each other. There's a universe where Fakefactory was the art director for 2 instead of Viktor Antanov.

[QUOTE=The Fiend;53063634]If the Many Worlds Interpretation is true, not only is there a universe where Half-Life 3 existed and was released, there's a universe where it came out and was total garbage. There's a universe where HL1, 2, and 3 were all made on slightly upgrade GoldSrc only two years apart from each other. There's a universe where Fakefactory was the art director for 2 instead of Viktor Antanov.[/QUOTE] Does that mean that there's a chance this is the one where we get to see Ricochet 2?

[IMG]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/206492878569078784/403967425911193610/download.jpg[/IMG] I've been starting to recreate the old metropolice seen from the E3 2003 vids. [url]https://www.dropbox.com/sh/51gl5q15rajw7ui/AACjoPoH6gjfrddqG6kEZmJla?dl=0[/url] If you don't know what I'm talking about... [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ycFteRUQPM[/url] [url]https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/206492878569078784/403966656126255124/Police.jpg[/url]

[IMG]https://tcrf.net/images/4/44/Hl2proto_stalker4.png[/IMG] This looks like it could fit right into HL1. I wonder how old the model dates back too. Also why does the stomach area have a bunch of belts around it? weird design choice.

[QUOTE=Nextwizard;53065418][IMG]https://tcrf.net/images/4/44/Hl2proto_stalker4.png[/IMG] This looks like it could fit right into HL1. I wonder how old the model dates back too. Also why does the stomach area have a bunch of belts around it? weird design choice.[/QUOTE] Ever tried losing a lot of weight very very rapidly? The skin all becomes loose! Not pretty! The Combine cares about their stalkers being pretty. So they give them the the corset.

It's neat that the stalker body is wrapped up in a shawl and the belts are there to keep it in place. Almost like bandages (jacket-y tweedy looking texture on the torso, doesn't look like skin) It has a neat Masahiro Ito vibe with all the belts and stuff, but does it wrong. If you look at the Abstract Daddy (shown below) you can make out how to do it better. Both these creatures have the same jerky Jacob's Ladder inspired animations, and love to show the body fluids, but the stalker doesn't have the overt-sexualization and creepy fetishness of the Abstract Daddy, which is weird, because HL1 wanted to be all about the sexualization of it's creature design, purely to make homophobes creeped out. [IMG]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/silent/images/0/00/Abstractsh2.png/revision/latest?cb=20151118215853[/IMG]

[QUOTE=Nextwizard;53065418]I wonder how old the model dates back too..[/QUOTE] Considering when the sounds were recorded for this, where the concept of stalkers lies and the state of engine at the time, it's highly probable that this model was already used in the prototype Source engine from 1998-1999 (while very similar to GoldSrc, it seems to have immediately departed away from GoldSrc in many regards).

And people want that ugly/old/unfinished/badly textured/uneven/cartoonish thing in place of retail all-around good stalkers, in case of certain mods

Well it looks creepy Cvoxalury. It looks like a horror game monster from 1999, and that's why people like it.

[QUOTE=Cvoxalury;53065677]And people want that ugly/old/unfinished/badly textured/uneven/cartoonish thing in place of retail all-around good stalkers, in case of certain mods[/QUOTE] what's the point of a beta mod if you are just going to fill it with out of place retail content?

I went for a "best of both worlds" approach and modified the retail stalker model a lot to look like the old model. I haven't finished it yet though because I don't feel like re-uving the model. The model itself looks good though if I do say so myself.

This is the true beta Stalker model: [t]http://combineoverwiki.net/images/c/cb/Dm_skeleton.png[/t] (Half-Life 2: Raising the Bar uncorrected proof, page 261)

Since the Stalker model still has the Clavicle bones connected to the Neck bone like other HL1/TFC models instead of Spine3/4 bone like recent models ala 2003 Combine Soldier, it's gotta be pretty early (unless the new boning scheme came into play in 2003 or something). Marc has said on multiple occasion that the Stalker was one of the earliest HL2 enemies though (probably already in the game since the 3 races and sacktick thing). Maybe finding when exactly Valve implemented their new skeletal bones standard will help us date these models.

[QUOTE=BasedEymane;53065925]what's the point of a beta mod if you are just going to fill it with out of place retail content?[/QUOTE] Because it's about recreating the best and throwing away the garbage. Sorry I'm not including shitty red hands on the pistol everybody's orgasmic about. Or that ugly physcannon. Nothing is out of place if the designers took care and applied effort. If it still feels like it's out of place, then it's the problem inside your head, and you can go play MI: Global Pack (which isn't made by MI, so don't blame them when it looks like garbage. Oh wait, you won't realise it's garbage anyway.)

[QUOTE=Cvoxalury;53067004]Because it's about recreating the best and throwing away the garbage. Sorry I'm not including shitty red hands on the pistol everybody's orgasmic about. Or that ugly physcannon. Nothing is out of place if the designers took care and applied effort. If it still feels like it's out of place, then it's the problem inside your head, and you can go play MI: Global Pack (which isn't made by MI, so don't blame them when it looks like garbage. Oh wait, you won't realise it's garbage anyway.)[/QUOTE] i wouldn't call using assets such as retail Dr. Breen taking care or applying effort

[QUOTE=Cvoxalury;53067004]Because it's about recreating the best and throwing away the garbage. Sorry I'm not including shitty red hands on the pistol everybody's orgasmic about. Or that ugly physcannon. Nothing is out of place if the designers took care and applied effort. If it still feels like it's out of place, then it's the problem inside your head, and you can go play MI: Global Pack (which isn't made by MI, so don't blame them when it looks like garbage. Oh wait, you won't realise it's garbage anyway.)[/QUOTE] You're in the wrong community, it's no surprise your mod is low-quality, because all you do is preach like a fortune teller and you try to assert whats right based upon what [I]you[/I] think

[QUOTE=BasedEymane;53067066]i wouldn't call using assets such as retail Dr. Breen taking care or applying effort[/QUOTE] Beta Breen is same as retail Breen (but with slightly worse textures). Research some before making retarded statements please. [QUOTE] «Best» is subjective. I think that DI looks like garbage 95% of the time, but I'm sure there are people who like it, so what? Inflate a little bit ffs.[/QUOTE] Oh thank goodness it's not 100% garbage at least. Those 5% tightly compressed in all shitty old assets everybody loves so much. I didn't say can't make mistakes, I say I know better than you and effort means we make things fit together. And you can honestly fuck off forever. You people [I]know[/I] that this mod is the best available. You think you found a weak spot in me so you can attack and provoke. I say you're all garbage on your own. Have a bad day. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Threadshitting / Flaming" - Mezzokoko))[/highlight]

i don't mean flat out leak breen, i'm talking about actually recreating a consul because believe it or not the main characters were different

[QUOTE=Cvoxalury;53067004]Because it's about recreating the best and throwing away the garbage. Sorry I'm not including shitty red hands on the pistol everybody's orgasmic about. Or that ugly physcannon. Nothing is out of place if the designers took care and applied effort. If it still feels like it's out of place, then it's the problem inside your head, and you can go play MI: Global Pack (which isn't made by MI, so don't blame them when it looks like garbage. Oh wait, you won't realise it's garbage anyway.)[/QUOTE] Imagine getting this offended over people preferring a different, subjectively cooler artstyle. [editline]a[/editline] Calm down. [editline]a[/editline] Like, the beta version's style is [I]immensely[/I] darker. That alone makes it more thematically interesting to me. Retail stalker just looks like a squishy pink boy with a batman mask, beta stalker has shit leaking from the eyeholes, much more fucked up, nutrient-starved skin, and removal of mouth freedom. It looks dirty and painful, while the retail version is way cleaner and doesn't get the same feel across.

Please don't gatekeep the community. Mx. Ego (omg dark interval is literally the only good beta mod you guys) has a right to their opinion, and does belong in this community. If Cvoxalury thinks Retail Models look better that's their right. The Beta looks like garbage 100% of the time so it's not like anybody's making it look worse. You people quit making me be all preachy because of your dumb hottakes i'm sick of it. If some of you think that a model or map or thing looks like shit then remodel it and fix it. You people are doing that anyway, why bitch about it. [editline]20th January 2018[/editline] you people im going to cry. [editline]20th January 2018[/editline] : (

Haha, why is everybody getting mad at Cvox having a different opinion about the beta stalker and so on? Abit silly I say. Just let him be and there won't be any problems, don't try and force your opinions on him, cause from what I've seen it doesn't work out or end up well, everybody gets mad. So lets stop before it starts to get out of hand, please.

[QUOTE=standards;53067103]Please don't gatekeep the community. Mx. Ego (omg dark interval is literally the only good beta mod you guys) has a right to their opinion, and does belong in this community. If Cvoxalury thinks Retail Models look better that's their right. The Beta looks like garbage 100% of the time so it's not like anybody's making it look worse. You people quit making me be all preachy because of your dumb hottakes i'm sick of it. If some of you think that a model or map or thing looks like shit then remodel it and fix it. You people are doing that anyway, why bitch about it. [editline]20th January 2018[/editline] you people im going to cry. [editline]20th January 2018[/editline] : ([/QUOTE] the problem is when you have a developer that is so full of shit and blinded by his own ego to think everything he creates/comes up with in his head is the [I]best[/I], an argument with him/discussion of opinions thrown in just becomes nullified because he turns into a brick wall

[QUOTE=CW3D;53067107]Haha, why is everybody getting mad at Cvox having a different opinion about the beta stalker and so on? Abit silly I say. Just let him be and there won't be any problems, don't try and force your opinions on him, cause from what I've seen it doesn't work out or end up well, everybody gets mad. So lets stop before it starts to get out of hand, please.[/QUOTE] He's the one telling people to fuck off lmao [editline]a[/editline] and calling people's statements retarded [editline]a[/editline] and just being generally condescending [editline]a[/editline] Really just all the worst traits of the HL2 beta community, frankly.

Look at these cool cellblocks, aren't they neat? oh no the img isn't working [IMG]cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/1600/0*KEq-u9UGOoD7YFVe.jpg[/IMG]

[QUOTE=gk99;53067110]He's the one telling people to fuck off lmao [editline]a[/editline] and calling people's statements retarded [editline]a[/editline] and just being generally condescending [editline]a[/editline] Really just all the worst traits of the HL2 beta community, frankly.[/QUOTE] exactly, i don't see why anybody would continue to defend cvox for doing nothing but flaunting his opinion of "if it's not in my personal vision it's obviously bad"

i don't like drama thread, drama thread make me cri. : ( cvox is being mean but that doesn't mean that everybody has to like dogpile that is also rude [editline]20th January 2018[/editline] here's a concept art of garage_8 (you can tell because of the dumb sticky-outey things but also the cool tile textures. outside, this building looks like swiss cheese because of all the holes where the trusses are) [IMG]https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net/half-life/images/6/6c/Children_cremators.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20100128131615&path-prefix=en[/IMG]

Well, actually and after a decade of a dozen, no, more than [i]twenty[/i] mod's that died or failed to get the best out of the Beta concepts, even Missing Information has just some random map's and nothing since 2011. At last and/or at least, a one-man army (later joined by another dev') managed to make a real mod, playable and all, with its own gameplay, ambiance, with the Beta concept, and yes, after all, he's in his own right to take some liberties, because it's a mod, it's free, it's his work, and if people are angry they can all try to do their own Beta HL2 mod with the Beta Stalker and Beta Consul, well, after so many failed projects, I can only see where it'll be going. Dark Interval won't be the "ultimate" Beta HL2 mod we could have dreamed about, but it takes a very interesting path in its part 1 where Gordon is nothing more than a lost little mouse surrounded by angry cats, deprived of weapons, going into hide-and-seek adventures, and it's an interesting vision, darker and more sad, than the original HL2, where the played don't know WTF is going on or what's supposed to do, in this world where he has been released after god knows how many years. The silent introduction on a boat, the eerie Borealis... #SaveCvolaxury

[QUOTE=BasedEymane;53067079]i don't mean flat out leak breen, i'm talking about actually recreating a consul because believe it or not the main characters were different[/QUOTE] iirc Marc said that by the time the Consul was in the game, he's already the Dr. Breen we know today. I know he looks different in the concept art, but his first 3D model being only a bit different than retail Breen is a point worth considering. Another similar case is concept art Alyx vs first Alyx 3D model, where it's basically final Alyx in concept Alyx's clothings + hair color.

[QUOTE=standards;53067122] here's a concept art of garage_8[/QUOTE] Never really got the point of creating "concept art" like that one when the original non painted over scene looks pretty much the same already. [t]http://combineoverwiki.net/images/d/db/Factory_children_cop.jpg[/t]

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