Major Update Speculation V35 - A Distinctive Lack of Communication - Games

[QUOTE=geel9;51556996]Aren't you people the ones who whine that Valve only listens to b4nny? Which is it?[/QUOTE] I'm going to assume they listen to no one. b4nny's raging ego made it seem like he knew all about the matchmaking update, and when it came out even he was surprised by it.

[QUOTE=G=4//\/\3!2;51557097]Is there any chance we could see said suggestions?[/QUOTE] [media]https://twitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/811035195411267584[/media] :pudge:

Well then. I guess literally no one but b4nny will be reading it then.

[QUOTE=Oizen;51557111]I'm going to assume they listen to no one. b4nny's raging ego made it seem like he knew all about the matchmaking update, and when it came out even he was surprised by it.[/QUOTE] iirc, all he and SLIN knew about was Comp MM I don't think they anticipated Casual or had any idea about the balance changes would be made- minus, of course, the fact that b4nny recommended against [B]buffing[/B] the Reserve Shooter, because the TF Team thought it was underused [editline]20th December 2016[/editline] also afaik there's been no inclination that certain players are more "in the know" about the next update anymore if valve is still consulting certain players, they've definitely instructed them to keep it quiet

there's no reason for him to not make the document public outside of the explicit reason of having it go under the stupid and scrutinous public eye, which I guess I can't blame him for if it's the case you guys can make the exact same tweet by making six pages of your own suggestions

[QUOTE=Zadrave;51556944]And none of it read.[/QUOTE] Knowing him? That wouldn't be such a bad thing.

[QUOTE=Darth_Toast;51557119][media]https://twitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/811035195411267584[/media] :pudge:[/QUOTE] So the guy's an asshole. Got it.

N b4 pyro nerfs

B4nny teased the people saying "Can't wait for the massive rebalance list on day 2 eks de" And as it turns out the massive list was rather small. Either way, Tonight's the Blog Night?

to be fair to b4nny if he made it public there are probably a lot of people online (some in this very thread, most likely) that would see it simply as an ok excuse to hurl insults at him, calling him stupid and dumb etc just for having a different opinion on how a game should be balanced to them. if i was him i wouldn't release it either.

He's so up his own ass and he seems to only understand class balance for a very specific game type that doesn't even play like regular TF2. I really wish that he wasn't the TF2 team's major community consultant for balancing, however small his impact actually is.

[QUOTE=fendermcbender;51557172]there's no reason for him to not make the document public outside of the explicit reason of having it go under the stupid and scrutinous public eye, which I guess I can't blame him for if it's the case you guys can make the exact same tweet by making six pages of your own suggestions[/QUOTE] Difference is your work will never even be skimmed. B4nnys will be skimmed, misinterpreted, and lead to something getting wildly rebalanced or removed without notice to even his surprise. [editline]20th December 2016[/editline] [QUOTE=SirWubbles;51557637]He's so up his own ass and he seems to only understand class balance for a very specific game type that doesn't even play like regular TF2. I really wish that he wasn't the TF2 team's major community consultant for balancing, however small his impact actually is.[/QUOTE] Quit letting your personal opinion of his character affect the idea that he somehow isn't a veteran to the game with a good idea of what would help it grow

[QUOTE=Punchy;51557668]Difference is your work will never even be skimmed. B4nnys will be skimmed, misinterpreted, and lead to something getting wildly rebalanced or removed without notice to even his surprise. [editline]20th December 2016[/editline] Quit letting your personal opinion of his character affect the idea that he somehow isn't a veteran to the game with a good idea of what would help it grow[/QUOTE] Help it grow, or help competitive TF2 grow? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate comp in games. But often there's a fairly large divide between casual and competitive.

[QUOTE=Jetamo;51557700]Help it grow, or help competitive TF2 grow? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate comp in games. But often there's a fairly large divide between casual and competitive.[/QUOTE] TF2 isn't going to grow without the competitive scene growing. Casual TF2 has had its chance to grow, and it's stayed roughly the same for almost 10 years.

[QUOTE=Jetamo;51557700]Help it grow, or help competitive TF2 grow? Don't get me wrong, I don't hate comp in games. But often there's a fairly large divide between casual and competitive.[/QUOTE] Valve leaving casual dry isn't b4nny's fault though. He offers assistance in growing the games exports scene, and valve makes the mistake of shifting all their focus towards that instead of assigning part of the team to focus on making pub maps and features. Casual will have to change as rebalances happen but that's really the only thing that has to change about it. The game could be the same way a year ago if valve added a competitive and casual 6s mode and then left in quickplay

Sure, b4nny probably helps comp more than casual but some rebalances can also help casual. But then again, we can't know if he doesn't show the documents to the public.

He's probably keeping it hidden because of how notorious valve is for refusing to be open about their testing so if everybody knows what they've seen they'll have to refuse to do any of them in fear of people being mad they diD something differently

[QUOTE=Fluury;51557601]B4nny teased the people saying "Can't wait for the massive rebalance list on day 2 eks de" And as it turns out the massive list was rather small. Either way, Tonight's the Blog Night?[/QUOTE] It's going to be on Thursday the 22nd, evening time. For one, it's a Thursday. And it's the 22nd, like every Smissmas since 2012. (Counting the Festive-izer as last year's Smissmas)

Thursday would be awfully shortsighted of them, given that they would have only one or two days to address bugs.

[QUOTE=GuntMyFries;51557840]It's going to be on Thursday the 22nd, evening time. For one, it's a Thursday. And it's the 22nd, like every Smissmas since 2012. (Counting the Festive-izer as last year's Smissmas)[/QUOTE] 2013 happened on 20th of December.

i think it might have been best for b4n to not have tweeted about it.

[QUOTE=GuntMyFries;51557840]It's going to be on Thursday the 22nd, evening time. For one, it's a Thursday. And it's the 22nd, like every Smissmas since 2012. (Counting the Festive-izer as last year's Smissmas)[/QUOTE] Smissmas 2010: 17th (Friday) Smissmas 2011: 15th (Thursday) Smissmas 2012: 20th (Thursday) Smissmas 2013: 20th (Friday) Smissmas 2014: 22nd (Monday) Smissmas 2015/Tough Break: 17th (Thursday) No, not every Smissmas update since 2012 has come out on the 22nd, nor a Thursday. Each year is completely different (Except for the facts that 2010 and 2015 came out on the same date, and 2012 and 2013 came out on the same date 2 years in a row. But that doesn't define anything)

[QUOTE=BonkNickeltoo;51557902]Smissmas 2010: 17th (Friday) Smissmas 2011: 15th (Thursday) Smissmas 2012: 20th (Thursday) Smissmas 2013: 20th (Friday) Smissmas 2014: 22nd (Monday) Smissmas 2015/Tough Break: 17th (Thursday) No, not every Smissmas update since 2012 has come out on the 22nd, nor a Thursday. Each year is completely different (Except for the facts that 2010 and 2015 came out on the same date, and 2012 and 2013 came out on the same date 2 years in a row. But that doesn't define anything)[/QUOTE] so either today or in 2 days? if the christmas update is delayed on christmas. well Valve you and me are gonna have some problems. :v:

personally I am bracing for the "we've been busy with other things" avenue. they have mym tuning, pyro pack and the jungle shit to do.

[QUOTE=NotTheBestGuy;51557941]so either today or in 2 days? if the christmas update is delayed on christmas. well Valve you and me are gonna have some problems. :v:[/QUOTE] Nobody knows. It could come out ANYTIME this week, or there might not be one at all; which honestly could be a huge disappointment after all the shit we've gotten this year.

[QUOTE=Hell-met;51557960]personally I am bracing for the "we've been busy with other things" avenue. they have mym tuning, pyro pack and the jungle shit to do.[/QUOTE] They've been busy with the December major update. Like... seriously. This is the update schedule.

[QUOTE=BonkNickeltoo;51557902]Each year is completely different (Except for the facts that 2010 and 2015 came out on the same date, and 2012 and 2013 came out on the same date 2 years in a row. But that doesn't define anything)[/QUOTE] [I]"It'll be done when it's done."[/I] - Traditional Valvian proverb

[QUOTE=Contra132;51551729]From Tough Break to Now: [IMG]http://puu.sh/sUKTu/d800fff757.png[/IMG] The decline is marginal at best. We've hovered around the same average player count since Tough Break, with our peak in the past year being the 2015 Halloween Event. You may notice the drastic up-and-down dips that occur every so often- this is pretty much just because a lot of people take a break of a day or two from TF2 after playing it. This has been the trend for a while, and typically only breaks during the release period of a new major update. Don't listen to the circlejerk. FP, Reddit, YouTube- none of these are reflective of the playerbase as a whole, only parts of it. Statistically-speaking, we're doing fine.[/QUOTE] It also might be a result of players playing during the weekend, then going to school/work during the week.

[QUOTE=Hell-met;51557960]personally I am bracing for the "we've been busy with other things" avenue.[/QUOTE] [IMG]http://puu.sh/sVPuC/58ede89489.png[/IMG] speak for yourselves, i'm waiting for my pyro pack confirmation so I can say I was right all along and get one of these people to say something stupid how should I do the drawing, btw? record myself assigning a number to each person, run through a RNG?

[QUOTE=Contra132;51558127][IMG]http://puu.sh/sVPuC/58ede89489.png[/IMG] speak for yourselves, i'm waiting for my pyro pack confirmation so I can say I was right all along and get one of these people to say something stupid how should I do the drawing, btw? record myself assigning a number to each person, run through a RNG?[/QUOTE] we can all agree that you should pick ikes