but its wrong, he didn't do as much research that he should've done, I respect Dane and all but this video was just done wrong and should've had much more thought put in it than he did.
Dane should know that a large chunk of the tf2 community listens to him, and therefor believe what he says, and everyone knows a large chunk of the tf2 community are dumb enough to parrot anything their favorite youtuber says because "lol hes famus", Dane should've done much more research due to this and how important the "facts" he was giving out were, and a chunk of what he said in the video was either wrong or downright insulting to the people who do work on tf2 and have been working on tf2 since launch.
Dane needs to either rewrite the script with more thought and research in mind with some damage control and re-release the video or just put up an apology.
Dane made a fuckton of assumptions and literally said "these are all facts, it's known"
That's my main issue with the video.
Also gotta love how he admits Jill played 4K hours of TF2 (more than me and most people here) and then just dismisses it because he didn't play the public build in the past 6 days as of making the video. I don't know if that was a dumb joke or just a dumb dumb, but either way - what the fuck.
I mean it's true that Valve is doing some crazy shit as of late, and Dane is confused like pretty much everyone else, but why is he acting like he's not, like he's on top of this shit?
[QUOTE=Drury;50893399]Dane made a fuckton of assumptions and literally said "these are all facts, it's known"
That's my main issue with the video.
Also gotta love how he admits Jill played 4K hours of TF2 (more than me and most people here) and then just dismisses it because he didn't play the public build in the past 6 days as of making the video. I don't know if that was a dumb joke or just a dumb dumb, but either way - what the fuck.
I mean it's true that Valve is doing some crazy shit as of late, and Dane is confused like pretty much everyone else, but why is he acting like he's not, like he's on top of this shit?[/QUOTE]
I'm in the same boat as this. He's usually pretty good at making decently well thought out videos and stuff that seems really decently constructive and informative.
But that video seems like nothing more then a rant video where he's just venting frustration and nothing really more.
[QUOTE=Punchy;50893287]richtext[/QUOTE]
So you're agreeing with him, because he is a popular youtuber? I don't want to offend you, but I don't see why you brought up popularity against my opinion. If you can't see the numerous problems with that video ESPECIALLY the one where he starts complaining about the TF2 devs "not playing the game" which is really the worst part of the video. I don't follow Dane's activity, but from this video I can tell he barely collected any information to attack the devs like this, because devving this game is likely more then just using a public steam account rather then him just spying how many hours they have right now, and comparing that to his own. ( [URL="http://steamcommunity.com/id/robinwalker/stats/TF2/?tab=stats"]With his logic, I can just go to Robin Walker's profile and make the conclusion that I have 13 times more hours then him, guess that makes me an expert at this game too[/URL] ). The developers have more tools then just posting their public hours on a steam profile.
The next part that he should have thought a lot more on was the "TF2 should be passed to a third-party dev team, because they barely do anything and they are all in for the money". This has been debunked recently [URL="https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1526635&p=50876524&viewfull=1#post50876524"]thanks to a post in Major Update speculation[/URL] (honestly, for some time I too believed there is only a few developers on the game), there is very little I can add to this, but I always thought that the tf2 team has a passion for this game, their bigger updates are usually painful in the first week, but this isn't anything new. [URL="http://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=22797"]They even did an apology post right after they released MyM[/URL]. So are these people we should hate? I really don't think so.
In general I'm getting sick of people making "TF2 dying"/"going in the wrong way" videos, or even just update videos, the majority of the tf2 video commentators just complain about the update, never saying a single thank you or just tell how they like the update and this is BAD. The worst is when the everyday viewers will start hating on what the video creator states, like I still can see people who complain that they need 10 minutes to join a Casual game. How is this even relevant anymore?
I really have nothing against you Punchy, or any of the tf2 youtubers, it is nice to get people follow your content, but this continous shitting on the devs needs to stop.
[QUOTE=gutshotmann;50894384]So you're agreeing with him, because he is a popular youtuber?[/QUOTE]
at what point did I imply this?
[QUOTE=Drury;50893399]Dane made a fuckton of assumptions and literally said "these are all facts, it's known"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=rolfum;50893334]but its wrong, he didn't do as much research that he should've done, I respect Dane and all but this video was just done wrong and should've had much more thought put in it than he did.[/QUOTE]
I never stated dane was correct. I stated gutshot was ragging on him for no reason. The same as others are, echo chambering the concept that he's only believed because he's popular. That he "made assumptions" without saying at all what he assumed. The video is 20 minutes long, saying he "made an assumption" is like saying one of the fruits in a fruitbasket isn't an apple. Many of the things he said ARE known and confirmed, just as much as many are opinionated or incorrect misinformation.
Don't chalk the entire video up to pure conjecture, because knowing dane personally I know he does research and he wants his opinion to be educated. And he won't learn from mistakes by just being told "ur wrong fuck u".
I stated in my previous post that Dane was right about a big chunk of things in his vid, but the wrong parts were just so incorrect that it came off as insulting at one or two points.
Calm down funk, geez
I really don't want to produce any drama
[QUOTE=rolfum;50895787]I stated in my previous post that Dane was right about a big chunk of things in his vid, but the wrong parts were just so incorrect that it came off as insulting at one or two points.
Calm down funk, geez[/QUOTE]
you didn't say that, though. You said a chunk of what he said was wrong, which is placing full focus one way. You didn't actually make any mention of anything being correct. And ending a post with "calm down funk" is a condescending way to avoid the topic.
[QUOTE=Punchy;50895561]at what point did I imply this?[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Punchy;50893287]It's almost like you're ragging on him purely because [B]he's popular[/B], because you must be some kind of stupid to think he's incorrect when he implies valve doesn't have any passion for tf2.[/QUOTE]
You didn't imply it, but your brain did. :v:
[QUOTE=Punchy;50895561]because knowing dane personally I know he does research and he wants his opinion to be educated.[/QUOTE]
To agree with you partly, today I decided to watch some of Dane's videos to see that he can indeed make enjoyable content for his audience, so the fact he made that rant with so much misleading information is sad, but I don't think this discussion is leading to anywhere, so I'll end it here on my part.
Biggest problem personally is how he half-assed his research on Eric Smith: The man who usually informs us about updates through the HLDS and a really dedicated TF2 dev. Whose hours in TF2 used to be 440, TF2's steam ID. An inside-joke. And then assumed he "might" did all those terrible re-balances. That was really uncalled for.
Being popular is another problem by itself when some of the fanbase will take everything you say and make it a fact regardless if it's wrong or not. And begin to spread it without really looking into it. One thing Dane could do better is really improve how he delivers a disclaimer in the video, because it seems like most people really missed it. I know I did when I first watched the video. (Could be a very minor nitpick, or a big problem to some. It just bugs me personally)
[QUOTE=gutshotmann;50896111]You didn't imply it, but your brain did. :v:
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stating you rag on him because of popularity =/= me agreeing with him because he is popular. So no, I didn't imply in any way.
:stop:
I got bored and made a thing, no offense to the furry/brony users out there, but you guys should especially know how bad some of them are
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5uW70nK.png[/IMG]
[B]okay punchy i get it you hate me[/B]
this is a joke by the way so don't hate me pls
[QUOTE=rolfum;50897783]I got bored and made a thing, no offense to the furry/brony users out there, but you guys should especially know how bad some of them are
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/5uW70nK.png[/IMG]
[B]You didn't make a bingo did you?[/B][/QUOTE]
90% of this isn't cancer at all, it sounds like you being salty over things you see
I also like how you post "shit talk" as cancer despite your entire post being shit
[QUOTE=rolfum;50897783]
[B]okay punchy i get it you hate me[/B]
this is a joke by the way so don't hate me pls[/QUOTE]
I don't hate you i hate your shitty posts
[media]https://soundcloud.com/r-a-g-e-442591593/soldier-girl-full-verison[/media]
decided to make a full version of this
[QUOTE=Rageguy;50898238][media]https://soundcloud.com/r-a-g-e-442591593/soldier-girl-full-verison[/media]
decided to make a full version of this[/QUOTE]
Can you say "I've got you in my sight " please
[QUOTE=coolaida14;50904486]Just reupload it with different music[/QUOTE]
animations are created around the music, since the music wasn't created specifically for the short. replacing the music would be like putting a square peg through a circle hole.
[QUOTE=Punchy;50904521]animations are created around the music, since the music wasn't created specifically for the short. replacing the music would be like putting a square peg through a circle hole.[/QUOTE]
As amazing as his music choice was, I was disappointed it didn't have an original soundtrack to be honest. It deserves its own.
I think it's important to highlight the point Punchy made about how animations are created around the music, because I have a good example here that I believe highlights this. Excuse me for this being non-TF2 content I'm sharing, but I want to show this old Bionicle cinematic made for the Mahri series back in 2007.
The first video to go live featured [I]Crashed[/I] by [I]Daughtry[/I] and, I guess because Lego didn't properly gain copyright for using the track, they rereleased it and replaced the track with another B-Grade band and ther track [I]Face Me[/I].
[video=youtube;8V8w8i9XDt8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8V8w8i9XDt8[/video]
[video=youtube;oxouZkrrqUc]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oxouZkrrqUc[/video]
The first video was the first take with the original track used, while the second features the track they later used. While audio editing was done was done so the new track at least matched the same timing of the animation, it still doesn't match the animation's speed. Crashed is slower in its tempo, while Face Them is noticeably a bit faster.
I could've just made a bad point and I could be looking at what could be a toy advertisement that's as old as TF2 itself, but hopefully this perhaps shows how saying "Use different music" just isn't an option being an animator - one who does this as a hobby, too. I'm not even anywhere near as good as audio editing, but I know the basics of timing and how music can have an affect on the final product. The soundtrack to Red Fury 2 is so amazing and is one of the most loveable things about the short, but to have that replaced with something else because "Youtube said no" won't have the same affect.
Hopefully MechaFourth reaches his goal and we can have his amazing work back up for everyone to see.
[I]Did I really just use fucking Bionicle to make a point[/I]
[QUOTE=VietRooster2;50903930][video=youtube;18PIhTdFarQ]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18PIhTdFarQ[/video][/QUOTE]
Couldn't he have gotten help from FUPA? I mean I do know he has the money now, but couldn't he have gotten help from FUPA instead of making a fundraiser :s:?
[QUOTE=Rageguy;50898238][media]https://soundcloud.com/r-a-g-e-442591593/soldier-girl-full-verison[/media]
decided to make a full version of this[/QUOTE]
Aw fuck and I'm just about close to finishing the previous version. :v:
[QUOTE=UntouchedShadow;50908482]Aw fuck and I'm just about close to finishing the previous version. :v:[/QUOTE]
I tried adding you on steam so I could ask some things
[QUOTE=Rageguy;50911575]I tried adding you on steam so I could ask some things[/QUOTE]
Wait you did? My inbox is apparently empty. Well at any rate, I did thing.
[video=youtube;m33KibYiCY4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m33KibYiCY4[/video]
[QUOTE=UntouchedShadow;50912321]Wait you did? My inbox is apparently empty. Well at any rate, I did thing.
[video=youtube;m33KibYiCY4]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m33KibYiCY4[/video][/QUOTE]
This is amazing, holy shit!
[video=youtube;fYjxsf66-YE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYjxsf66-YE&ab_channel=CrazyScoutFIN[/video]
One of your 5 a day [of Random TF2].
[sp]The scene when the spy is punched is also pretty impressive[/sp]
My previous port of SFM died suddenly earlier this year, but I just now found a new way to get ahold of it and made this as a little test.
[video=youtube;2RLDlVz1edE]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2RLDlVz1edE[/video]
Now I know that I can't properly render video with this port, instead having to export an image sequence and put that back together in another program. :/
[sp]why does the mac life have to be so hard[/sp]
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