TF2 General Chat and Update Speculation Station - One of Several Edition - Games

[QUOTE=ChrisFiore321;52587732]The source code for the cheat is on Github. It's open source, so it would take Valve little to no effort to implement the cheat strings into VAC.[/QUOTE] They don't have to do the reverse engineering then. They still have to engineer and implement a working solution. Your point of "no patching required" remains baseless.

[QUOTE=Wormy;52587629]I was told about [url=https://mishcat.tk/sprays/]this site[/url] that lets you make sprays in a 1024x1020 resolution, allowing sprays to stay within the 512kb limit, and I'm wondering how this is achieved. Does anyone have any ideas how VTF can be compiled to be something that is not the power of two?[/QUOTE] Propably uses some trick where more data can be saved into the filesize limit. Generally different resolution textures are usually same filesize on same textures. Like 1024x1024 res image when saved is 1366 KB size. If you compress the vtf upon save, it's 683KB. Doesn't matter how much data there is on that vtf, is it just white blank vtf or well made painting, filesize is still the same.

[QUOTE=Petroklos;52587743]They don't have to do the reverse engineering then. They still have to engineer and implement a working solution. Your point of "no patching required" remains baseless.[/QUOTE] The solution would be to implement the strings into VAC. There would be no reason to "patch" anything if the bots got VAC'd every time they entered the game on a new account.

[QUOTE=ChrisFiore321;52587763]The solution would be to implement the strings into VAC. There would be no reason to "patch" anything if the bots got VAC'd every time they entered the game on a new account.[/QUOTE] Do you mind expanding on that? Also what do you mean by "strings"?

[QUOTE=Owlet;52587728]There's delfy, he has one and always reports bugs and stuff he finds... Oh, wait. TF2 TOP 10 RARE WEAPONS WITH GLITCHES 10:05[/QUOTE] well the problem is that the gold renders as ultra neon yellow. I imagine he loves that as it is way more noticeable with the problem.

[QUOTE=ChrisFiore321;52587763]The solution would be to implement the strings into VAC. There would be no reason to "patch" anything if the bots got VAC'd every time they entered the game on a new account.[/QUOTE] That would just be a fast exchange back and forth, for Valve and the cheat makers patching in magic strings to check. It also means that the cheat maker can find a way to obscure it. There needs to be a fix, such that the underlying function being exploited is patched

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[QUOTE=Wormy;52587835]I don't think you understand. The vtf (texture file) has a resolution of 1024x1020 (which is not a power of two), and the Source engine loads it into the game without any issues. This has nothing to do with it being a website, it's a website because it converts the image you upload and then it lets you download the converted .vtf file. The website has some sort of tool to compile the image into a .vtf, just like VTFEdit or VTEX. And this should not be a compression thing. It still uses DTX for the texture format. VTFEdit even says that the texture has 4 less pixels in the y axis (height). I just want to figure out the black magic behind this.[/QUOTE] Sorry, operating on two hours sleep. The page probably scales the image or makes it a power of two with the missing portion being a transparency.

[QUOTE=Wormy;52587848]If it simply readjusted the canvas scale, it should still make the spray 1024x1024 in resolution.[/QUOTE] I just did a few sprays with it. If the image was to big is scaled it down. If the image was to small it still exported to a power of two and had transparent space filling in the missing portion.

Edit: let me test something

[QUOTE=Wormy;52587900]If this is the technique behind it then what I would like to know is the specifics on how it makes it compatible.[/QUOTE] I might be missing something in my bleary ass state. You may be right since I didn't test the same scenario as you.

[QUOTE=Petroklos;52587780]Do you mind expanding on that? Also what do you mean by "strings"?[/QUOTE] I believe VAC works a lot like an antivirus where it scans for known running cheat programs on your computer. I imagine when they have the source code for a cheat in the database it's pretty easy to detect a cheat program running, LMAO premium wasn't detected until someone found a github page with the source code and sent it to Valve.

[QUOTE=ComodoreBluth;52587926]I believe VAC works a lot like an antivirus where it scans for known running cheat programs on your computer. I imagine when they have the source code for a cheat in the database it's pretty easy to detect a cheat program running, LMAO premium wasn't detected until someone found a github page with the source code and sent it to Valve.[/QUOTE] I hope this isn't how VAC works because it would be ridiculously easy to circumvent.

[QUOTE=Magrathea;52587357]Want to shout this out. Dont go on 2fort, it's rife with cheating bots. (Only just noticed myself, these things are called zehn-bots, they feed any chat back to their discord, they use scripts to kill people and spam chat, usually lmaobox esque. Only on 2fort. The guys call themselves master-gamers) That is all.[/QUOTE] If MvM taught me anything is that we must go and fight them.

The creator of the catbots on what VAC banning them with "strings" actually does. [t]http://i.imgur.com/d0Rm0Ph.png[/t] (Thanks Fluury)

[QUOTE=Petroklos;52587975]remind me how I make images not be giant so I can post an important one without having it take over all of the thread[/QUOTE] t] image [/t - put the brackets around properly. Also, needed information for Update Speculation: Not only is i61 at the end of next week, but next week is also Gamescom.

My Unarmed Combat's jigglebones stop working at almost complete random, is that something that's always happened or is it just rigor mortis setting in?

[QUOTE=Petroklos;52587975]The creator of the catbots on what VAC banning them with "strings" actually does. [t]http://i.imgur.com/d0Rm0Ph.png[/t] (Thanks Fluury)[/QUOTE] They also feed the chat directed to these bots to the discord too. I said to one once "look here you bot cunt, I will track down your ip and will shove white phosphorus so far down your throat you would be crapping out pure flames" The bot timed out straight after. I guess they have some weaknesses. But alas, you can't ban them or kick them, as they're seemingly not even on the lists.

[url]https://steamdb.info/stats/bans/[/url] Is it me, or has there been a sharp uptick in the number of VAC bans today?

[QUOTE=Ultravod;52588110][url]https://steamdb.info/stats/bans/[/url] Is it me, or has there been a sharp uptick in the number of VAC bans today?[/QUOTE] can we see for what game ?

Was going through reddit, even they are noticing the bots massively also found our friend - account is 7 months old so he might actually be an actual gamer lul [t]https://files.catbox.moe/w4qqzr.png[/t] If we are going down the MyM route, investigating b4nny and the like this tweet might aswell be tf2 related if you bend your mind enough [url]https://twitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/898442933048713217[/url]

[QUOTE=Fluury;52588201]Was going through reddit, even they are noticing the bots massively also found our friend - account is 7 months old so he might actually be an actual gamer lul [t]https://files.catbox.moe/w4qqzr.png[/t] If we are going down the MyM route, investigating b4nny and the like this tweet might aswell be tf2 related if you bend your mind enough [url]https://twitter.com/4G_b4nny/status/898442933048713217[/url][/QUOTE] Im sorry if this sounds stupid, but do you think he COULD mean the streamer are streaming about the POTENTIAL update ?

[QUOTE=Doodle966;52588231]Im sorry if this sounds stupid, but do you think he COULD mean the streamer are streaming about the POTENTIAL update ?[/QUOTE] That's what I was getting at. But that would mean they'd release the entire Update tonight, hah. And that won't happen. Still curious what b4n man means, he rarely says stuff like this..

[QUOTE=Fluury;52588243]That's what I was getting at. But that would mean they'd release the entire Update tonight, hah. And that won't happen. Still curious what b4n man means, he rarely says stuff like this..[/QUOTE] Maybe some Comp events this weekend ? (I dont know too much about the comp scene)

There should be a captcha upon starting Steam, or starting TF2, or SOMETHING to keep these bots from being bots

[QUOTE=Blackavar;52588268]There should be a captcha upon starting Steam, or starting TF2, or SOMETHING to keep these bots from being bots[/QUOTE] Captcha for registering? Great idea.

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52588322]I don't remember ip banning anyone related to the tf2 area since FOREVER. That reddit user is crazy.[/QUOTE] Likely thought that ban... last week? Or was it two weeks ago? Was an IP ban or something. I just know that this guy is 100% the fella from last week people accused for "promotin' the bots".

[QUOTE=Kiwi;52588384]Yeah but banning and ip ban on are two different things. This dudes still nuts. I know who you're on about but I haven't ip banned anyone related to here yet.[/QUOTE] I know this is a generalization, but it might make for higher quality of life here if people from reddit are scared off from joining.

The only bans that have been done recently are just standard forum bans. IP bans are something of a rarity especially as of late, mostly because theres a submission process behind it as it takes someone with admin permission to do it (mods can't IP ban basically). That guy is being silly.

why do ip bans still exist, they're so easy to circumvent