TF2 General Chat and Update Speculation Station - One of Several Edition - Games

Alright, so since the next update is supposed to be the biggest TF2 update yet, would you rather: [IMG]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/rainbow.png[/IMG] Have the multiple day update with more content shown every day and give Valve more time to work out the bugs. [IMG]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/clock.png[/IMG] Have the update shown and released in one day, because you've maybe waited for way too long.

Multiple-day updates rocked, no idea why they stopped with them. It's like blindly hyping an update everybody thinks is coming soon, except without the blindness and the mass hysteria.

[QUOTE=knifekeeper;52522358]Alright, so since the next update is supposed to be the biggest TF2 update yet, would you rather: [IMG]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/rainbow.png[/IMG] Have the multiple day update with more content shown every day and give Valve more time to work out the bugs. [IMG]https://facepunch.com/fp/ratings/clock.png[/IMG] Have the update shown and released in one day, because you've maybe waited for way too long.[/QUOTE] Multiple day updates generate more hype and prevent an overload on the game. I mean, there was talk this update would be the size of 3-4 major updates so it makes sense to do multiple days

[QUOTE=Gentleman Cat;52522267]when will there be a rrerrbine[/QUOTE] Or ctf_turbine_mirrored... oh...uh... waitaminute.

[QUOTE=Drury;52522373]Multiple-day updates rocked, no idea why they stopped with them.[/QUOTE] Meet your Match was 2 days, but at the same time a good chunk of the page was a bunch of crates, Prinny items, and useless features (like you can now see the hats when you look at a crate on the store).

Those Harvest Cat-Bots are getting out of hand. I hope they dont have to delay the update because of that.

i personally like 2fort, turbine, and my ol favorite balloon_race. They serve the purpose of being nothing at stake, and being very drawn out and long, giving new players a chance to practice the game a little. I spent my first 2 years playing on balloon_race and later MARIO_KART, simply because this was my first FPS game, and first computer game. I wanted to get a grasp at playing before going into official maps as to not tick people off, and to make my opponents manageable (considering alot were trying to do something like put a sentry in a weird place, or find a dumb sniping position). Killing people was doable for a newer player like myself, and i liked it alot.

Powerhouse is as stalematey as those maps but it's faaar less boring and terrible.

[QUOTE=EArkham;52522488]Or ctf_turbine_mirrored... oh...uh... waitaminute.[/QUOTE] turbine has rotational symmetry so reflective symmetry would be different.

[QUOTE=Annoyed Grunt;52522760]Powerhouse is as stalematey as those maps but it's faaar less boring and terrible.[/QUOTE] Powerhouse and 5cp stalemates aren't too bad to me. I don't need the round to end to have fun, as long as it doesnt get too repetitive. What gets really old is when there's just no back and forth, and you get in the loop of spawning, walking to the front line, killing some people and dying. At least on thoses maps you can cap a point and move the action somewhere else, where in ctf, if it's a stalemate, you're always fighting and dying in the same places, spawning and walking the same path to the intelligence over and over. And it's really bad in a/d maps where all you do is on attack is try to cap the same point and dying to spam or the same sentries for 15 minutes, with no variation. You're extremely dependant on your team in theses gamemodes, because you can only cap with a coordinated team push, spies doing a good job and ubers.

Here's some advice to all medics: just use the fucking charge.

[QUOTE=Antary;52522888]Here's some advice to all medics: just use the fucking charge.[/QUOTE] If that doesn't work equip the Conch and tell them that does a better job of keeping you alive then them.

[QUOTE=SirGentlemann;52522939]If that doesn't work equip the Conch and tell them that does a better job of keeping you alive then them.[/QUOTE] and sadly thats true about 90% of all pub meds I meet,

[video=youtube;NXbaTIYqi0E]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NXbaTIYqi0E[/video] The TF Team really needs to handle those bots on harvest and get the main creator, nullifiedcat, beaned - atleast the main account. The guy is enjoying all the salt he is getting and even has the bots go after players that votekick/call the bots out alongside of advertising for a discord server. What a pathetic loser. I really hope the TF Team comes around a solution for this issue.

Cheaters with a god complex, cute.

There's a bunch of youtuber who openly cheat, post videos of cheating, shame and bully the kids who obviously get mad because their game is being ruined. There SHOULD be a way to make sure they're banned for good. The cheating community in tf2 is disgusting. There's cheaters steam groups. There's forums and websites. Just get the players tags and make a nice vac ban sweep. Blizzard took the right decision and went right at the root of the issue. Suing the cheat makers for millions works, because it discourages everyone in the future to do the same.

[QUOTE=Loth;52523002] Blizzard took the right decision and went right at the root of the issue. Suing the cheat makers for millions works, because it discourages everyone in the future to do the same.[/QUOTE] I really wish Valve was this proactive.

Sometimes I feel like the only way Valve will ever care, is for the community to take some major stand. Something like if we all refused to spend even a single cent on any of the new content in this next update. I don't see this happening, but if some motion was started in some form I would go so far as to donate to the cause.

[QUOTE=CoolJosh3k;52523194]Sometimes I feel like the only way Valve will ever care, is for the community to take some major stand. Something like if we all refused to spend even a single cent on any of the new content in this next update. I don't see this happening, but if some motion was started in some form I would go so far as to donate to the cause.[/QUOTE] that sounds like a great way to tell the tf team that this game isn't worth the effort anymore

[QUOTE=Contra132;52523230]that sounds like a great way to tell the tf team that this game isn't worth the effort anymore[/QUOTE] Imagine if this sort of thing happened with all their games, like DOTA and CS:GO. Would they just give up or would they finally start taking the hacker situation seriously?

[QUOTE=Loth;52523002]There's a bunch of youtuber who openly cheat, post videos of cheating, shame and bully the kids who obviously get mad because their game is being ruined. There SHOULD be a way to make sure they're banned for good. The cheating community in tf2 is disgusting. There's cheaters steam groups. There's forums and websites. Just get the players tags and make a nice vac ban sweep. Blizzard took the right decision and went right at the root of the issue. Suing the cheat makers for millions works, because it discourages everyone in the future to do the same.[/QUOTE] Why dont they do it? For real they could virtually kill the cheaters in csgo and tf2 in the same month.

[QUOTE=CoolJosh3k;52523194]Sometimes I feel like the only way Valve will ever care, is for the community to take some major stand. Something like if we all refused to spend even a single cent on any of the new content in this next update. I don't see this happening, but if some motion was started in some form I would go so far as to donate to the cause.[/QUOTE] if you want a game to continue existing and have the developers put [B][I]even more effort[/I][/B] in to it then damaging their profits is probably the worst way to send that message if you really want to send a message to valve, send an email to tfteam, start a reddit thread, etc. yeah its likely to not get a response but if you make a noise loud enough valve (specifically jill probably) will see it, and it's a hell of a lot more likely to create positive change that some kind of revenue protest that would most likely not even be noticeable or measurable enough to attribute to a specific message.

[QUOTE=CoolJosh3k;52523237]Imagine if this sort of thing happened with all their games, like DOTA and CS:GO. Would they just give up or would they finally start taking the hacker situation seriously?[/QUOTE] getting everyone to stop spending money on valve games is a pipe dream the more likely scenario (likely being a very friendly term) would be enough people in the community stopping just enough to make the devs think their efforts aren't being well-received and if this coming update, which has been in the works for over a year, is actually good, is that the impression you want to send? [I]what the fuck are you thinking?[/I] if you want valve to do something else about hackers, you need to get the community to raise a huge, coordinated bitch-fit to get their attention. they responded to the MyM concerns relatively quickly after that update dropped due to how fucking pissed people were, but we've never had anything remotely close to that level of backlash over their anti-cheat system.

[QUOTE=Waluigifan;52521704]To change the subject, does anyone else feel that the Distinctive Lack of Hue is overused? I much prefer After Eight for nearly every case in which DLH could be used.[/QUOTE] Like other paints, it depends on what you're painting. You're right though, Lack of hue doesn't look as good as After Eight. I just didn't wish After Eight didn't have that tint of green in it...

[QUOTE=ToastyToes;52523264]Like other paints, it depends on what you're painting. You're right though, Lack of hue doesn't look as good as After Eight. I just didn't wish After Eight didn't have that tint of green in it...[/QUOTE] I use it a lot due to it being the closest thing to the grey of the mercs straps. Just wish it was actually that colour and not a really dirty green.

[QUOTE=CoolJosh3k;52523194]Sometimes I feel like the only way Valve will ever care, is for the community to take some major stand. Something like if we all refused to spend even a single cent on any of the new content in this next update. I don't see this happening, but if some motion was started in some form I would go so far as to donate to the cause.[/QUOTE] Or still spend money on stuff from the update so those who contributed items and maps to making our Free update get paid, but refuse to buy the campaign pass, then donate whatever the cost of the pass is to a community server and play on the community servers instead of Valve servers. If we (in general) could coordinate enough players to do that, and go around reddit and other sites raising a stink about hackers that play on Valve servers, Valve would take notice that their official servers are declining because of hackers/botters. Obviously, that still probably wouldn't work well, since it's much more convenient to just go into matchmaking to find a game than it is to find an active community server- especially one that has mods/admins. But it's a better alternative than just saying "don't play and don't give Valve any money at all until they fix hackers", because if they see their campaign passes aren't selling and people aren't playing on their servers but community servers are suddenly growing in population, they'll have to respond one way or another.

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;52523054]I really wish Valve was this proactive.[/QUOTE] Instead they're developping yet another automated vac ban system, like every issue ever they have. they hate getting their hands dirty. They will do anything to make an autoamted system to fix issues for them. They waited soooo long to kick the nest of csgo underage gambling, and the rampant unethical devs problem in steam. I think it's probably against their philosophy to sue the cheat makers, unlike Blizz who doesn't give a shit. Like, the way "everyone at valve is responsible for the product etc" would make taking this kind of decision more complicated to me. Maybe theyre also afraid of bad PR but that ridiculous, who needs cheaters PR. Id argue this was a great PR move for Blizz, shows they care.

I don't exactly blame Valve for this. TF2 is free to play, the cheaters can just make new accounts, but this catbot issue is gigantic. They can't afford to ignore this for longer than this monday.

I just watched a 3h stream, he was playing casual. 1/4 of games was ruined by hackers. even in casual, where there's no stakes. imagine comp.

[QUOTE=Loth;52523002]There's a bunch of youtuber who openly cheat, post videos of cheating, shame and bully the kids who obviously get mad because their game is being ruined. There SHOULD be a way to make sure they're banned for good. The cheating community in tf2 is disgusting. There's cheaters steam groups. There's forums and websites. Just get the players tags and make a nice vac ban sweep. Blizzard took the right decision and went right at the root of the issue. Suing the cheat makers for millions works, because it discourages everyone in the future to do the same.[/QUOTE] I pretty much get a guy literally named LMAOBOX in my surf server almost every day to come in and hack and scream N***** over the mic over and over since those are like the only 2 rules of the server.