I just had some guy add me to buy one of my hats, and after talking back and forth about the prices of my hats and me telling him that I find it stupid to follow backpack.tfs prices religiously. He suddenly started claiming that Valve was the ones who made backpack.tf, and that they where the ones who decided what was worth a lot and what wasn't.
I'd love to provide a full chat, but it was written in danish so it would be kind of redundant.
[QUOTE=Wasaur;40570297][url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10508418[/url]
And here if we look under Hotters final post, we can see YogPoz got scammed, and "gave the unwanted hat away"
Your brother seems to also post as you on Outpost.[/QUOTE]
My dream hat ;_;
Scammed ;_;
[QUOTE=CompanionMube;40571154]My dream hat ;_;
Scammed ;_;[/QUOTE]
Long story about that,
I went in to a trade the guy offered me what seemed to be a planets Buckaroos Hat it said so in the description and everything, Did the trade and got a smoking one, got frustrated and went for a shower and thats when my brother gave the smoking hat away
I was going to raffle it away but still,
[QUOTE=YogPoz;40572118]Long story about that,
I went in to a trade the guy offered me what seemed to be a planets Buckaroos Hat it said in the description and everything, Did the trade and got a smoking one, got frustrated and went for a shower and thats when my brother gave the smoking hat away[/QUOTE]
imo smoking is better than planets anyways, but that sucks if your brother actually gave it away
I have a friend last year who unboxed a lantern god tier pyro unusual, don't remember which one. He was about to sell il, but he lent his account to his 10 y.o brother so he can play TF2 a bit.
When he came back, he saw in the trade history that he traded his unusual for, guess what? Ali Baba's Wee Booties. I think his brother suffered a lot
[QUOTE=samusamu;40581886]I have a friend last year who unboxed a lantern god tier pyro unusual, don't remember which one. He was about to sell il, but he lent his account to his 10 y.o brother so he can play TF2 a bit.
When he came back, he saw in the trade history that he traded his unusual for, guess what? Ali Baba's Wee Booties. I think his brother suffered a lot[/QUOTE]
A friend of mine lost 2x Flies Veils + Flies Swagmans Swatter and some other really expensive unusuals when he let his nephew on his computer. Was quite painful for him.
[QUOTE=samusamu;40581886]I have a friend last year who unboxed a lantern god tier pyro unusual, don't remember which one. He was about to sell il, but he lent his account to his 10 y.o brother so he can play TF2 a bit.
When he came back, he saw in the trade history that he traded his unusual for, guess what? Ali Baba's Wee Booties. I think his brother suffered a lot[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=nahkakakkone;40581996]A friend of mine lost 2x Flies Veils + Flies Swagmans Swatter and some other really expensive unusuals when he let his nephew on his computer. Was quite painful for him.[/QUOTE]
And that's why you don't let [del]family[/del] anybody on your TF2 account
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1e03tn/iama_steam_market_bot_writer_who_recently_got/[/url]
jesus, $10,000 of items deleted by support. that must hurt. can't say he didn't deserve it, though.
[QUOTE=Hng;40582432][url]http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1e03tn/iama_steam_market_bot_writer_who_recently_got/[/url]
jesus, $10,000 of items deleted by support. that must hurt. can't say he didn't deserve it, though.[/QUOTE]
Thought this would happen sooner.
Steam market should always have had captcha's for purchases(that last around 15-30 minutes so you don't have to input 50 captchas to buy crates)
[QUOTE=Hng;40582432][url]http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1e03tn/iama_steam_market_bot_writer_who_recently_got/[/url]
jesus, $10,000 of items deleted by support. that must hurt. can't say he didn't deserve it, though.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]I knew that it was against the Steam TOS, but Valve didn't seem to be taking any action at all, until now.[/QUOTE]
LEL, they restricted my main recently, coz i used vpn on another single account almost 2 years ago. They reacting pretty fast.
[QUOTE=Boben;40582735]LEL, they restricted my main recently, coz i used vpn on another single account almost 2 years ago. They reacting pretty fast.[/QUOTE]
Did you use the vpn for something? like buying games?
[QUOTE=RandomGamer342;40582730]Steam market should always have had captcha's for purchases(that last around 15-30 minutes so you don't have to input 50 captchas to buy crates)[/QUOTE]
No.
Steam market needs to have something called CSRF (cross site request forgery) protection.
The bots currently circumvent any and all real interaction with the steam market and instead use a [b]VALVE MADE API[/b] to trade.
I have CSRF protection on my website and it takes only 5 minutes to create and [b]DOES NOT MAKE ANY MORE WORK OR USE A CAPTCHA FOR NORMAL USERS[/b].
This is quite literally the only code they need to make this work.
[code]<?php
session_start();
$token = md5(uniqid(rand(), TRUE));
$_SESSION['token'] = $token;
$_SESSION['token_time'] = time();
?>
[/code]
And put this in their forms:
[code]<input type="hidden" name="token" value="<?php echo $token; ?>" />[/code]
and put this in their backend validation
[code]
if ($_SESSION['token'] != $_POST['token'])
{
echo "Stop using bots, faggot.";
}
else
{
//buy or sell the item
}
[/code]
[QUOTE=Hng;40582432][url]http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1e03tn/iama_steam_market_bot_writer_who_recently_got/[/url]
can't say he didn't deserve it, though.[/QUOTE]
I can. Sure, he violated steam's TOS, but is that grounds for the destruction of $10,000? When you park in a no parking zone, they don't crush your car. A more appropriate response would have been a permanent ban from the market, and perhaps a temporary one from trading.
[QUOTE=samhudson333;40584467]I can. Sure, he violated steam's TOS, but is that grounds for the destruction of $10,000? When you park in a no parking zone, they don't crush your car. A more appropriate response would have been a permanent ban from the market, and perhaps a temporary one from trading.[/QUOTE]Agree, they should act like CCP games (EVE) when they failed, even if its BETA Market.
[QUOTE=Boben;40585078]Agree, they should act like CCP games (EVE) when they failed, even if its BETA Market.[/QUOTE]
The items would have been sold immediately the second anyone else saw them. All he was doing was buying items below the market equilibrium. That's no more unfair than TF2Shop automating paypal trading, or someone putting a low buy order in for stocks.
[url]http://www.tf2outpost.com/trade/10643029[/url]
I thought we touched the bottom
[QUOTE=samhudson333;40584467]I can. Sure, he violated steam's TOS, but is that grounds for the destruction of $10,000? When you park in a no parking zone, they don't crush your car. A more appropriate response would have been a permanent ban from the market, and perhaps a temporary one from trading.[/QUOTE]
"I knew that it was against the Steam TOS, but Valve didn't seem to be taking any action at all, until now."
I feel no pity for him.
[QUOTE=Hng;40582432][url]http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1e03tn/iama_steam_market_bot_writer_who_recently_got/[/url]
jesus, $10,000 of items deleted by support. that must hurt. can't say he didn't deserve it, though.[/QUOTE]
They should've left him kept doing it and then put a 100% fee on anything he sold on the market.
I feel no pity for him either, for the same reason I don't empathize with middlemen in the real world.
They exist only to profit from nothing, and as such they contribute nothing. It's for this reason his disappearance from the market should not be missed. Experiment or not, he knew he was wrong.
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On the plus side, hopefully Valve will now add a couple layers of bot protection onto their system, to prevent these sorts of exploits in the future. If his aim was gray-hat, he got what he wanted.
[QUOTE=Everything;40585901]I feel no pity for him either, for the same reason I don't empathize with middlemen in the real world.
They exist only to profit from nothing, and as such they contribute nothing. It's for this reason his disappearance from the market should not be missed. Experiment or not, he knew he was wrong.
[editline]t[/editline]
On the plus side, hopefully Valve will now add a couple layers of bot protection onto their system, to prevent these sorts of exploits in the future. If his aim was gray-hat, he got what he wanted.[/QUOTE]
Middlemen have enormous purpose in the real world. An average consumer has no need for a metric ton of dog food and asswipes, but a grocery store has the capital to buy that and sell in smaller quantities for consumers. I have no need for a pound of weed, but a dealer can buy that and sell by the gram.
[editline]9th May 2013[/editline]
[QUOTE=Executive;40585291]"I knew that it was against the Steam TOS, but Valve didn't seem to be taking any action at all, until now."
I feel no pity for him.[/QUOTE]
So is Paypal trading. They specifically say any trade done outside of the Steam trading window is against their ToS and done entirely at your own risk. I guess you feel no pity for anyone that has gotten scammed, right? Add Diego, it's time to shut down Steamrep.
The guy did nothing wrong. He, like every other entrepreneur, capitalized on a profitable situation in a marketplace. Valve was out of line in how they punished him.
[quote]Valve was out of line in how they punished him.[/quote]
It's directly against their TOS. There's no ambiguity about it either, it states extremely clearly that what he was doing is not allowed.
[quote="steam subscriber agreement"]You may not use Cheats, automation software (bots), mods, hacks, or any other unauthorized third-party software, to modify or automate any Subscription Marketplace process.[/quote]
[QUOTE=samhudson333;40586306]Middlemen have enormous purpose in the real world. An average consumer has no need for a metric ton of dog food and asswipes, but a grocery store has the capital to buy that and sell in smaller quantities for consumers. I have no need for a pound of weed, but a dealer can buy that and sell by the gram.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about single-item middlemen (eBay snipers, etc). They do exactly what he did; Take advantage of low sellers, spin to high buyers. Makes buying goods a huge pain sometimes.
Those sorts of people do nothing but make being a consumer more dragged-out and frustrating. It's a problem in TF2 as well, since even if I only want a Max's Head to wear, I have to sift through highballers for days just to find one person with a reasonable price (which then gets bought before I can react and highballed within minutes by the buyer).
[QUOTE=Everything;40586381]I'm talking about single-item middlemen (eBay snipers, etc). They do exactly what he did; Take advantage of low sellers, spin to high buyers. Makes buying goods a huge pain sometimes.
Those sorts of people do nothing but make being a consumer more dragged-out and frustrating. It's a problem in TF2 as well, since even if I only want a Max's Head to wear, I have to sift through highballers for days just to find one person with a reasonable price (which then gets bought before I can react and highballed within minutes by the buyer)[/QUOTE]
Of course you'll have to sift through "[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5695TGBP0Ao]highballers[/url]" when you search for an item you want to buy. People are usually trying to get the most out of their item. This is why you list a buy trade or use other tools at your disposal to find the item you want to buy and buy it for cheap. Work for your good deals. They won't show up at your doorstep looking for a warm place to stay.
[QUOTE=Hng;40586380]It's directly against their TOS. There's no ambiguity about it either, it states extremely clearly that what he was doing is not allowed.[/QUOTE]
[t]http://puu.sh/2QahQ/15a6ee8e63.png[/t]
So is paypal trading. Your fellow reddit admin Mattie has, what, almost $40,000 in hats that he bought through paypal trading? He violated the ToS, there's no ambiguity, it states extremely clearly that what he was doing is not allowed. His hats won't be deleted. Why should a man who harmed no one have $10,000 stolen from him, while another man who harms no one be allowed to keep his $40,000 while they both broke the rules?
And don't try to say his prices were sharking. The day Steam Community Market came out, Pretender chatted me and told me about how he had just bought a ton of items for a fraction of their value, and sold crates for way more then they were worth. A community admin sees no trouble seeking out to take advantage of good prices, but when a man writes a code to do it automatically, with no cares if he's getting just an alright deal or an awesome deal, he's literally hitler.
[QUOTE=Hng;40582432][url]http://www.reddit.com/r/tf2/comments/1e03tn/iama_steam_market_bot_writer_who_recently_got/[/url]
jesus, $10,000 of items deleted by support. that must hurt. can't say he didn't deserve it, though.[/QUOTE]
This reminds me why I need to learn how to code. $300 a day holy shit. I didn't even know that that many items got sold on the market under market price.
[QUOTE=residntevl;40586473]Of course you'll have to sift through "[url=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5695TGBP0Ao]highballers[/url]" when you search for an item you want to buy. People are usually trying to get the most out of their item. This is why you list a buy trade or use other tools at your disposal to find the item you want to buy and buy it for cheap. Work for your good deals. They won't show up at your doorstep looking for a warm place to stay.[/QUOTE]
I understand working for what you want, but having to get into a cycle of buying to sell to buy to sell to buy is just ludicrous when I'm already offering market price and nobody will sell for that.
You can't tell me that wouldn't be even a [i]little[/i] bit frustrating.
[QUOTE=samhudson333;40586306]Middlemen have enormous purpose in the real world. An average consumer has no need for a metric ton of dog food and asswipes, but a grocery store has the capital to buy that and sell in smaller quantities for consumers. I have no need for a pound of weed, but a dealer can buy that and sell by the gram.
[editline]9th May 2013[/editline]
So is Paypal trading. They specifically say any trade done outside of the Steam trading window is against their ToS and done entirely at your own risk. I guess you feel no pity for anyone that has gotten scammed, right? Add Diego, it's time to shut down Steamrep.
The guy did nothing wrong. He, like every other entrepreneur, capitalized on a profitable situation in a marketplace. Valve was out of line in how they punished him.[/QUOTE]
I feel no pity for anyone scammed in paypal trading.
When you buy it by yourself, you're at the same level as everyone else, it's because you were faster/had good luck when the item was put up for sale
When you have an automated bot doing it for you, you gain a ridiculous advantage without any of the work involved. You literally get profit for doing nothing but run a script all day every day, and you ruin the market experience by making sure the value of an item is above an arbitrary value(if you keep buying all keys that are below 1.50€ instantly before anyone else has the chance to, you've pretty much forced the price to stay above it through manipulation.)
If i had the ability to pull off 7 quickscopes in a row in TF2, i would be applauded. I wouldn't if i had written a script to give me fullcrits and do it for me
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