Final Major Update Speculation V37 - This is the last MUS thread. Speculate in General Chat. - Games

My favorite thing about MUS was how quickly the consensus on Valve shifted, and how mercilessly my criticisms of Valve in this thread's early years were disapproved of. Of course, over time, Valve's numerous shortcomings became too overt for most people to ignore. I'm also of the opinion that our cantankerous Facepunch overlords--none of which even play TF2 to my knowledge--would prefer to delete this subforum entirely. Another interesting point would be that most of the zealous Valve fanboys that felt an incessant need to defend their gods quit TF2 years ago, yet here remains the old pessimist. I suppose my pessimism was so great simply because of how passionate I am, fancy that.

ok i might be going off topic here for a sec, but why is this the final MUS? and im just a common once a week lurker so i wouldn't know

Where is Jill supposed to post now? General?!

[QUOTE=JackRedPlayer;52484125]Where is Jill supposed to post now? General?![/QUOTE] Trust me, I think that ship has sailed. I'd guess Valve and/or Jill probably figured out that's not the best idea.

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52484043]My favorite thing about MUS was how quickly the consensus on Valve shifted, and how mercilessly my criticisms of Valve in this thread's early years were disapproved. Of course, over time, Valve's numerous shortcomings became too overt for most people to ignore. I'm also of the opinion that our cantankerous Facepunch overlords--none of which even play TF2 to my knowledge--would prefer to delete this subforum entirely.[/QUOTE] I remember the old 2007 memes about how Valve was a good developer and everyone should love them. Funny to think that actually happened. [QUOTE=JackRedPlayer;52484125]Where is Jill supposed to post now? General?![/QUOTE] Tf2 general is just going to become exactly like MUS is now, I dont know why anyone would expect anything different.

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52484043]My favorite thing about MUS was how quickly the consensus on Valve shifted, and how mercilessly my criticisms of Valve in this thread's early years were disapproved. Of course, over time, Valve's numerous shortcomings became too overt for most people to ignore. I'm also of the opinion that our cantankerous Facepunch overlords--none of which even play TF2 to my knowledge--would prefer to delete this subforum entirely.[/QUOTE] Disappointing, considering the TF2 subforum is one of the most viewed ones, and many of us here use Facepunch just for it. Anyway, I'm expecting August. Map makers still haven't been notified, and Valve's post said mapmakers still have a lot of time to finish up the maps. There is very little reason to expect this month at this point other than optimism.

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52484043]My favorite thing about MUS was how quickly the consensus on Valve shifted, and how mercilessly my criticisms of Valve in this thread's early years were disapproved. Of course, over time, Valve's numerous shortcomings became too overt for most people to ignore. I'm also of the opinion that our cantankerous Facepunch overlords--none of which even play TF2 to my knowledge--would prefer to delete this subforum entirely.[/QUOTE] Spuf suffered a similar fate if I recall, snuffed out by work-cutting and removed higher ups in the same vein too. But alas, whatever valve does with this new update, I do hope the provide some kind of verified channel for feedback, whether it be bringing back the beta, or creating a situation where they don't have to mine quality feedback out of the shitposts and memes of the discussions or reddit.

This is like the main reason I browse facepunch...cmon mods. I get that shitposting seems annoying but its just because we are in a dry spell of speculation. Ive seen this thread be a great place, and it will be again when the update comes. Please dont let a few bad apples make you forget what made this thread great, its got a special place in a lot of people's hearts. There just isnt enough to speculate on right now.

I honestly think the thread should have just been locked till day one dropped.

Yo, I get that everyone wants to react to the news of MUS shutting down, but we seriously shouldn't use what little posts we have left for those reactions. Ya'll wanna take the meta discussion to TF2 General so we can still talk here when the update hits?

Valve has had more than enough time to conceptualize, realize, and perfect this update. On top of that, the balance changes many of us are looking forward to most should have been added [I]years[/I] ago. The wait for this update feels longer than the time span between MyM and now, given that I've been yearning for these changes for such a long time (six or more years for many of these weapons). If this update doesn't appear this week, I don't know, I feel like my newfound optimism--or at the very least, neutrality--will disappear entirely. There are independent game developers with smaller teams that accomplish more in a few months, let alone over a year.

At this point, if this update fails I think a lot of people will call it quits. But it really seems like the TF team is going to take their time and get it right. I hope so.

[QUOTE=Lord Exor;52484296]Valve has had more than enough time to conceptualize, realize, and perfect this update. On top of that, the balance changes many of us are looking forward to most should have been added [I]years[/I] ago. The wait for this update feels longer than the time span between MyM and now, given that I've been yearning for these changes for such a long time (six or more years for many of these weapons). If this update doesn't appear this week, I don't know, I feel like my newfound optimism--or at the very least, neutrality--will disappear entirely. There are independent game developers with smaller teams that accomplish more in a few months, let alone over a year.[/QUOTE] Reposting my rant about updates from when MYM turned a year old from a few weeks ago. [B][U]I still stand by all of it.[/U][/B] [QUOTE=Stroheim;52440120][B]HAPPY BIRTHDAY M.Y.M! IT'S [U]ONE FULL YEAR[/U] OLD TODAY![/B] -sad tf2 birthday pictures- Look at all those happy faces! They are probably very happy to know that even [B][I]Battleborn[/I][/B], a game that is literally struggling to maintain player numbers over 200 players RIGHT NOW, had more gameplay mechanics get changed/tweaked on and head onto the livebuild of the game in a year than Team Fortress 2, and that was even BEFORE THE FREE2PLAY SHIFT was even a thing. They still pulled out a update literally today that did more in a week than this game has had in 6 whole fucking months, and thats even including the absolutely lazy excuse for content that was the Holiday and Rainy Day cases. Speaking of content, Speculations schmeckulation, this wait is getting bonkers, [B]what are the devs even doing right now? What is the major holdup that is making them just basically say 'These things, they take time so just wait and put in your fixes to (INSERT THING HERE) soon okay, love you bye!' in the emails?[/B] Is it crunch time or fucking snack time over there in the office? Like my god, at least release more patch notes or something! It's not that hard to release the updated patch notes (since they [B][I]totally[/I][/B] took the community ideas to heart in the last few weeks), or more patch notes at all! Is there some big change in the patch notes that apparently is [B][U]SO TOP SECRET[/B][/U] that they can't show us? Or is it just because they got caught with their pants down [B][U]AGAIN?[/B][/U] [DEL] [U][B]its been a full year of fun times![/B][/U][/DEL] [/QUOTE]

What if... [url]https://twitter.com/sourcecbl/status/886294006837235713[/url] That would amazing, but I have my doubts. Edit: for those not knowing I can tell you that they are developers of a system to stop hackers.

[QUOTE=CoolJosh3k;52484311]What if... [url]https://twitter.com/sourcecbl/status/886294006837235713[/url] That would amazing, but I have my doubts. Edit: for those not knowing I can tell you that they are developers of a system to stop hackers.[/QUOTE] This would be a nice cherry on top of a new elo system for comp.

Regarding this topic being closed. If it happens, it better not be because of people with 10 posts or less that lack proper understanding of Facepunch as a whole. That wouldn't make sense. Regarding the update...well there's not much to say since I don't have anything to go by. I could go on with my usual rant about the absence of communication, I guess. To be honest, I'm surprised it wasn't released with the Summer Sale. If they're doing anything, I hope that they release it before I go on holidays.

I support merging into general, but I like the idea of just putting in that extra moderation effort that MUS needs. Imagine if this update came with Pyro + Jungle + Frontline + No random bullcrits + Stopwatch for casual + endless campaign + major hacking fix + More all-class Gold weapons + MVM content + default settings that make sense.

Can I ring the no update bell too? *ding ding ding ding ding*! Good night MUS! [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Shitpost/did you not see the bloke who got banned for the same thing a few posts up?" - Sgt Doom))[/highlight] [highlight](User was permabanned for this post ("Gimmick" - Sgt Doom))[/highlight]

It's a shame some individuals with power like wagging their fingers and express their power at any opportunity without an explicit set of guidelines for posts. [highlight](User was banned for this post ("Offtopic/complaints about moderation are to be brought to forum discussion or PM'ed to mods" - Sgt Doom))[/highlight]

[QUOTE=CoolJosh3k;52484438]I support merging into general, but I like the idea of just putting in that extra moderation effort that MUS needs. Imagine if this update came with Pyro + Jungle + Frontline + No random bullcrits + Stopwatch for casual + endless campaign + major hacking fix + More all-class Gold weapons + MVM content + default settings that make sense.[/QUOTE] An endless campaign? They usually last quite awhile (3 months), an endless campaign would kinda get boring (because you'd be getting basically the same thing over and over again.

What about if instead of having a general ongoing MUS thread a speculation thread can be created when a update hits and then discussion for the next one can be discussed until the post limit for the thread runs out. To clarify; kinda like MUS right now but no new threads are created during update droughts.

[QUOTE=Contra132;52484237]Yo, I get that everyone wants to react to the news of MUS shutting down, but we seriously shouldn't use what little posts we have left for those reactions. Ya'll wanna take the meta discussion to TF2 General so we can still talk here when the update hits?[/QUOTE] Whats there to say at this point? I honestly don't think MUS has been a needed thread since M[B]v[/B]M (Mann Vs Machine). There hasn't been any ARGs, no little stains on the logo you can click to get a message, no meaningful hidden map features to hint towards anything. Its always just "Tonights the Night" posting. We know all that there is to know about this future update already, valve doesn't care to try to hype it at all. Its just Competetive based balance changes, Jungle, Pyro. Tf2 updates barely even happen anymore, and when they do, they just drop right out of the blue. Constantly guessing the date and getting it wrong isn't speculation.

You guys went into such disarray that we are NEVER having another MUS thread, cool. To be honest, when it comes to the Jungle Update, all I care about are the new weapons and the balance changes. The maps and the shiny hats can jog on for all I care. [QUOTE=Oizen;52484510]Whats there to say at this point? I honestly don't think MUS has been a needed thread since M[B]v[/B]M (v not y). There hasn't been any ARGs, no little stains on the logo you can click to get a message, no meaningful hidden map features to hint towards anything. Its always just "Tonights the Night" posting. We know all that there is to know about this future update already, valve doesn't care to try to hype it at all. Its just Competetive based balance changes, Jungle, Pyro. Tf2 updates barely even happen anymore, and when they do, they just drop right out of the blue. Constantly guessing the date and getting it wrong isn't speculation.[/QUOTE] To be honest, I had the idea of changing Major Update Speculation to be Major Update [B]Talk[/B] or [B]Conversation[/B] as there wasn't any speculation, but rather just people wet-dreaming about shiny stuff that will never happen or saying "TONIGHT'S THE NIGHT GUYS AAAAAAAA-"

Its realy too bad thread series is going to be erased from existance mostly becouse of "Facepunch Newbs" and repeats of shitposts which are funny when only posted once.. Aw well.. Regarding update, do you people think that (becouse it seems like tiered crates are here to stay) we are going to get two or three different tiered cases? Also, how about strange verianys of the new weapons? Will we have to wait until much later again? (See Iron bomber)

[QUOTE=Creeps;52484513]Its realy too bad thread series is going to be erased from existance mostly becouse of "Facepunch Newbs" and repeats of shitposts which are funny when only posted once.. Aw well.. Regarding update, do you people think that (becouse it seems like tiered crates are here to stay) we are going to get two or three different tiered cases? Also, how about strange verianys of the new weapons? Will we have to wait until much later again? (See Iron bomber)[/QUOTE] If you mean by skin cases then yes, probably. One will most likely be jungle themed (more likely the textures from valve's jungle map slapped onto the weapons, and the others I'm not so sure about.)

[QUOTE=Seaner23;52484528]If you Mena by skin cases then he's, probably. One will most likely be jungle themed (more likely the textures from [B]valve's jungle map slapped onto the weapons[/B], and the others I'm not so sure about.)[/QUOTE] I know this might be me being too pessimistic, but I think they might actually copy and paste the whole texture as a skin, with the black areas between and all that. I mean, it could happen!

[QUOTE=Demo-the-man;52484529]I know this might be me being too pessimistic, but I think they might actually copy and paste the whole texture as a skin, with the black areas between and all that. I mean, it could happen![/QUOTE] It most likely will.

for a second i thought they were making this the last update thread because someone found out they are making this the last update. that was a scary few minutes.

I should've known reddit would be the thing that kills MUS, but maybe the update coming out would change the mod's minds on "no more MUS ever" my fingers are still crossed for a 4-day update if not longer

[QUOTE=Chuggoth;52484612]Just break it into separate threads: One - for infodumping about the update(VNN emails,leaks,info from map-makers etc.) Another - for shitposting and off-topic discussion(Tonite is da nite,Volvo succs,"Contra argues with someone about Spy" episodes).[/QUOTE] I'm not sure there will be leaks of this update as it seems they don't want any info getting out, but we can hope.