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Geel came off as smugger than funke 99% of the time. Also there's the whole "I liked casual because it allows me to play with people I don't know but disliked quick play for that reason"

[QUOTE=weyu6572;52348271]Welp,Geel just got perma banned. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1567481&p=52347887&viewfull=1#post52347887[/url] Oh and uhhhh as for an actual post,I don't care when the update comes,so long as it's in the summer.[/QUOTE] He'll probably get unbanned eventually this week will also be the week in which Love and War released.

[QUOTE=ikes;52348319]wow the only person with actually good, educated opinions got banned yowza[/QUOTE] nah I'm still here

[QUOTE=Fluury;52348342]He'll probably get unbanned eventually this week will also be the week in which Love and War released.[/QUOTE] i hope so, cause he was the only person right most of the time

[QUOTE=jnkns;52348488]Will this be a repeat of before where geel will ban people from scrap.tf for mentioning his actions on another site?[/QUOTE] holy shit he actually did that?

The only reason that dude's still around here is because he still can make a buck off of TF2

I hope heavy doesn't get nerfed again.

[QUOTE=Punchy;52348531]I hope heavy doesn't get nerfed again.[/QUOTE] Who knows, if they can reference "with pyro from love" and maybe glean some community ideals on class balance and mechanics maybe they can do the same for heavy and make him actually viable again and maybe they'll revert the accuracy/ramp-up nerfs and have his minigun damage and spread be static like it should be.

I'm just conflicted where I don't want heavy to be nerfed but I know that in his current state he messes with the core balance of 6s, meaning that the whip/gru speeds will have to be rebalanced.

[QUOTE=Punchy;52348555]I'm just conflicted where I don't want heavy to be nerfed but I know that in his current state he messes with the core balance of 6s, meaning that the whip/gru speeds will have to be rebalanced.[/QUOTE] Well that's more of a problem of 6's relying on maps that necessitate a speedy roll out (5CP), heavy is almost required to have something that puts him on the level of scout/solly/demo in terms of mobility.

[QUOTE=DaWhatTheFox;52348508]The only reason that dude's still around here is because he still can make a buck off of TF2[/QUOTE] he provides good service wigh has put alot of time and money into, and in turns makes a good amount of money, what is there to ostracize hime for [editline]12th June 2017[/editline] [QUOTE=Johnny Joe;52348581]Well that's more of a problem of 6's relying on maps that necessitate a speedy roll out (5CP), heavy is almost required to have something that puts him on the level of scout/solly/demo in terms of mobility.[/QUOTE] heavy is honestly one of the best classes amongs low level players in 6 v 6, but obviously useless on attack at high level 5 cp, and i dont think that needs to change, its just not what the heavy is supposed to do

[QUOTE=AD/HD;52348601] its just not what the heavy is supposed to do[/QUOTE] why

[QUOTE=weyu6572;52348271]Welp,Geel just got perma banned. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1567481&p=52347887&viewfull=1#post52347887[/url] Oh and uhhhh as for an actual post,I don't care when the update comes,so long as it's in the summer.[/QUOTE] you're next [editline]12th June 2017[/editline] your stated opinions of me have been collated and logged for further action

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;52348622]why[/QUOTE] hes a slow movement high damage defense class, i seen no reason for a mobility buff

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;52348622]why[/QUOTE] I'd rather see a heavy buff for his damage / accuracy / better tanking / etc than speed. Thus, he would be more of a threat, even if he's slow. By this I mean that on mid people would have a 5v6 at first, but then their Heavy comes in and just wrecks everything. A risky tradeoff, but worth it in the end. ATM heavy barely can compete against 2 people without preparation or the Brass Beast. If 5CP is still a main thing.

[QUOTE=Rhike;52348815] ATM heavy barely can compete against 2 people without preparation or the Brass Beast. [/QUOTE] (the brass beast is terrible and makes the heavy even worse than normal. not the other way around.)

[QUOTE=Hell-met;52348840](the brass beast is terrible and makes the heavy even worse than normal. not the other way around.)[/QUOTE] This is your opinion. I don't want to have a lengthy 3-hour argument, but I've been able to use the brass beast competitively to my advantage, topping the scoreboard and all. (can provide logs) In short: Just learn positioning.

[QUOTE=AD/HD;52348799]hes a slow movement high damage defense class, i seen no reason for a mobility buff[/QUOTE] Then they need to revert the damage ramp up and accuracy nerf to make his damage actually do something

I've been playing the game since 2009 with Heavy being my 2nd most played class and the Brass Beast has been my go to minigun ever since it was added purely for the extra damage, I just can't seem to get the damage in with the stock minigun and when I do I always feel a bit disappointed since I know that if I had just had that bit more damage then the person that just killed me or won the game for the other team or the scout that ran past me and got a large killstreak by tearing through my teammates could have been stopped if I had use the Beast.

The problem about heavy is that he is very underpowered with/without a medic on maps such as 5cp or attack/defense. However, he becomes completely overpowered and even more deadly and annoying than a sniper once he gets a medic pocketing him 24/7 on pretty much every other gamemode. I feel like if they just buff or nerf him, he will become more/less viable on 5cp and more/less overpowered on, well, every other gamemode. I suggest they completely rework his character in a way that doesn't confuse people and make him more of a crowd control class than a high damage/high health class that he is right now.

[QUOTE=Rhike;52348856]This is your opinion. I don't want to have a lengthy 3-hour argument, but I've been able to use the brass beast competitively to my advantage, topping the scoreboard and all. (can provide logs) In short: Just learn positioning.[/QUOTE] and i've used it primarily for years since polycount update. I've eventually got a strange one with a [url=http://steamcommunity.com/id/hell-met/inventory/#440_2_1342951142]comical[/url] name and killcount. I love the way it rewards tracking with more punch. It's my emblem item and makes shotgun/KGB very terrific to use when the opportunity presents itself. I've had adventures with the brassbeast before you probably were playing the game, just as a reference. Not to mention the weird resistance thing is the only reason people would stand up for it nowadays (which I didn't get to use for the longest time of my games with it). Still pure garbage in the long run. Stock outdoes it anywhere. You won't find anyone of high skill claim it's any good.

[QUOTE=ikes;52348319]wow the only person with actually good, educated opinions got banned yowza[/QUOTE] I, too, miss wickedplayer494

going too far

[QUOTE=Johnny Joe;52348911]Then they need to revert the damage ramp up and accuracy nerf to make his damage actually do something[/QUOTE] i agree

[QUOTE=DaWhatTheFox;52348508]The only reason that dude's still around here is because he still can make a buck off of TF2[/QUOTE] I'll take "incorrect statements" for 500, alex

[QUOTE=geel9;52349046]I'll take "incorrect statements" for 500, alex[/QUOTE] the most underpowered class in the game

[QUOTE=geel9;52348976]I, too, miss wickedplayer494[/QUOTE] Yeah, I'll miss him too. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1520392&p=50405980&viewfull=1#post50405980[/url]

[QUOTE=weyu6572;52349177]Yeah, I'll miss him too. [url]https://facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1520392&p=50405980&viewfull=1#post50405980[/url][/QUOTE] Ah, what a legendary post.

[QUOTE=Punchy;52348555]I'm just conflicted where I don't want heavy to be nerfed but I know that in his current state he messes with the core balance of 6s, meaning that the whip/gru speeds will have to be rebalanced.[/QUOTE] b4nny confirmed that the GRU were going to be one of the weapons changed.

The heavy similar to pyro needs to be given a mandate as to what to do. If he's a tank? Then make him able to wall damage and not simply die 1v2 against anyone. If he's an enforcer/area denial? Make him deal substantial impact with the minigun and flesh out the skill depth. Either way, the class has suffered the consequences of mass-appeal nerfing over the years despite being the face of team fortress 2, and really needs to be rethought. [QUOTE=Rhike;52348856]This is your opinion. I don't want to have a lengthy 3-hour argument, but I've been able to use the brass beast competitively to my advantage, topping the scoreboard and all. (can provide logs) In short: Just learn positioning.[/QUOTE] If it deals damage, it can be used to top the scoreboard in TF2. I have no idea what kind of competitive environment you were using it in (outside of 5cp lasts or the playground hold till death on upward first), but the idea that the brass beast is useable for anything beyond that or Mann vs machine is absolutely bonkers.