Final Major Update Speculation V37 - This is the last MUS thread. Speculate in General Chat. - Games

[QUOTE=Contra132;52389286] stop nerfing him, give him a few more weapons to expand his utility, and play maps other than 5cp so more classes besides the fast ones are in play bam spy is fine now.[/QUOTE] youll have to be a bit less vague, how would these unlocks make spy viable without being obnoxious to play against, whether the game mode is 5cp, payload, or koth sniper still does spies job better. Why have a spy who has a chance of getting a pick most likely in exchange for his life be used over a sniper who can instakill any class that walks into his field of view without having to put himself in any risk whatsoever? The very fews things spy can do that other classes cant is typically already done by basic communication and teamwork, you dont need a spy to call out anyones health because your damage dealers should be calling out when anyone is low anyway. Checking for uber isnt a big deal because in a competitive environment counting uber should be second nature. I know a medic main who just keeps a timer bound to a macro that lets him know in general when the medic has uber, all he has to do is press a bind every time he sees the enemy medic die.

[QUOTE=TwoYearLurker;52391475]Honestly, I feel like maybe they should've tried balancing it in the other direction. Maybe instead of loosening the restrictions on disguises at the expense of cloak, they could have kept the disguises as they were, but given the YER a buff that synchronizes with the whole "silent killer" playstyle that it's built around. Maybe a cloak-related buff, like a tweaked version of the old silent decloak set bonus? (changed so it doesn't make the DR totally silent any more, of course) I'm imagining a playstyle where you can potentially be really stealthy by utilizing the silent decloaks and silent backstabs together, but you're also totally reliant on not being seen because you can't disguise at will. You could even give it a new downside to try and emphasize that, like losing your disguise when you cloak, or a health penalty or something.[/QUOTE] if YER made it so you dont flicker while colliding with players when cloaked and increased cloak duration, you'd actually be able to get in and use the damn thing I'd scrap the new design and just make it buff cloak duration and remove flicker. paired with the l'etranger you suddenly have a really powerful combo that makes sense since it's a fucking item set

[QUOTE=ikes;52391826]if YER made it so you dont flicker while colliding with players when cloaked and increased cloak duration, you'd actually be able to get in and use the damn thing I'd scrap the new design and just make it buff cloak duration and remove flicker. paired with the l'etranger you suddenly have a really powerful combo that makes sense since it's a fucking item set[/QUOTE] Or you know we could give the YER the effect of the old saharan spy set (Quieter Uncloak). So people actually have a reason to use that item.

[QUOTE=Caballero;52392171]Or you know we could give the YER the effect of the old saharan spy set (Quieter Uncloak). So people actually have a reason to use that item.[/QUOTE] I think it was already established by Valve that item sets were a bad idea???

[QUOTE=quake84;52392173]I think it was already established by Valve that item sets were a bad idea???[/QUOTE] we're not talking about reestablishing item sets, we're talking about taking the old attribute and just putting it on the YER instead

[QUOTE=Caballero;52392171]Or you know we could give the YER the effect of the old saharan spy set (Quieter Uncloak). So people actually have a reason to use that item.[/QUOTE] Quiet uncloak was pretty bad tbh, and I think its for the best they did away with that.

Then you can make the cloak just a lot quieter, not completely silent.

I'm no expert on TF2's mechanics (despite all the hours I've sunk into it), but I feel like Spy needs a buff or revamp of some kind, especially if they want to make TF2 a thing in the eSports scene. The fact of the matter is, the game's been around for 10~ years. That's basically a decade of people learning the ins and outs of how each class works. One of the first things you learn to do as a new player is Spy-Check; there's no friendly fire, so there's literally no reason to not just shoot everyone you see, just on the off-chance they're a Spy. If you see a teammate lagging behind with their primary out? Spy. Teammate not taunting or using voice chat? Spy. Hell, teammate where you didn't see a teammate 30 seconds ago? Might be a Spy, may as well shoot them to be safe. You can have a class that's high risk/high reward, but a decade of people getting used to his tricks means that there are plenty of other classes who can do Spy's job (scoring picks, dealing with Engies, etc.) in a way that's a lot safer/more conducive to team play.

I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but how many days do you think this update is going to be? The most likely answer is 2, for Jungle and Pyro respectively, but do you think they're going to bundle it all in 1 day or add more stuff we don't know about?

[QUOTE=Serge Ivanov;52392574]I'm not sure if this has been brought up yet, but how many days do you think this update is going to be? The most likely answer is 2, for Jungle and Pyro respectively, but do you think they're going to bundle it all in 1 day or add more stuff we don't know about?[/QUOTE] As others have said, the 29th and first week of July are the most likely candidates (even though I doubt the 29th) Given the time, I tip on 2-3 days. Three day updates have always been great, and I can totally imagine Page A being about the SFM and taunts/other improvements Page B being about Jungle and C being about Pyro.

Not sure if this was mentioned, but promo-granting games on the steam summer sale are giving genuine items when purchased during it. This includes disgea PC, which means this is your second chance at a genuine prinny knife etc. if you missed it (they're still not tradable, a year later)

[QUOTE=C. Blades;52392586]Not sure if this was mentioned, but promo-granting games the steam summer sale are giving genuine items when purchased during it. This includes disgea PC, which means this is your second chance at a genuine prinny knife etc. if you missed it (they're still not tradable, a year later)[/QUOTE] wait, like in the the history of ever? if so that's hilarious

[QUOTE=fendermcbender;52392606]wait, like in the the history of ever? if so that's hilarious[/QUOTE] Dunno. Reddit says it worked on other games, gunpoint, total war, etc. Although probably only games that are on sale during this years sale, and have genuine TF2 promos. No Max's head, sadly, that was the first thing tried.

gunpoint always gives the hat. I bought it over a year after the promo was added and still got it.

[QUOTE=chandlerj333;52392647]gunpoint always gives the hat. I bought it over a year after the promo was added and still got it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I remember picking it up and getting the hat and being like "wut?" lol. Fun little game too, wish it was a bit longer though.

[QUOTE=Stroheim;52390074]The day dx8 support for the game dies, is the day we can finally move on from the Stone Age of optimization[/QUOTE] Someone correct me, but seems like the game doesn't render visual effects anymore when AMD users with the v17 drivers run the game in dx8.

[video=youtube;S1W8BZPf-N8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1W8BZPf-N8[/video] This video by Punchy is GOOD. Also exactly what we discussed here a few months ago. But I will say it again: Valve no garish hats for Pyro Update pls?

I find a little odd that no one talks about the third degree. The only weapon in the game which has no downside whatsoever. Even weapons that apparently have no downside like the bonk or the razorback, they take away your secondary slot. But with the third degree? Nope, is just the default Axe with an extra bonus. And, yeah, the weapon is terrible, but since they are reworking weapons this heavily, I think this might be a good chance to do something about it.

[QUOTE=agrastiOs;52392751][video=youtube;S1W8BZPf-N8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1W8BZPf-N8[/video] This video by Punchy is GOOD. Also exactly what we discussed here a few months ago. But I will say it again: Valve no garish hats for Pyro Update pls?[/QUOTE] The theme is dead not the artstyle.

[QUOTE=Killer monkey;52392780]The theme is dead not the artstyle.[/QUOTE] Framerates are also dead.

What is Jill's twitter? Or any of the other big names in TF2 development for that matter...

[QUOTE=Chicken McFly;52392761]I find a little odd that no one talks about the third degree. The only weapon in the game which has no downside whatsoever. Even weapons that apparently have no downside like the bonk or the razorback, they take away your secondary slot. But with the third degree? Nope, is just the default Axe with an extra bonus. And, yeah, the weapon is terrible, but since they are reworking weapons this heavily, I think this might be a good chance to do something about it.[/QUOTE] That reminds me, 2011 was hell of a year. We've got loads of content, but all of it was an utter mess. Replay System barely worked, most if not all of the weapons had weird/terrible/placeholder attributes (Such as the Third Degree). There were also lots of problems with models and animations (remember how Valve weapons in the Uber Update didn't have bones until the very 2014?) The newer TF2 team have spent three years already just trying to fix the mess made in a span of a year. Now that I don't care much about the game I wouldn't mind Uber-esque Update with a bunch of weirdass weapons which would completely destroy the flow of the game, but now that they're taking a much more careful and clean approach at the updates, we're probably not going to see any new weapons besides Pyro/Heavy ones.

[QUOTE=Killer monkey;52392780]The theme is dead not the artstyle.[/QUOTE] I have to disagree. With some items and paints the TF2 artstyle's trademark color scheme is jacked up, with some cosmetics silhouettes are pretty fucked, and some of the weapons and cosmetics are much, MUCH more detailed than the others. Not to count stuff like Private Eye that has incredibly detailed textures.

[QUOTE=agrastiOs;52392751][video=youtube;S1W8BZPf-N8]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S1W8BZPf-N8[/video] This video by Punchy is GOOD. Also exactly what we discussed here a few months ago. But I will say it again: Valve no garish hats for Pyro Update pls?[/QUOTE] The banana hat is here and we cant change it :/

[QUOTE=Doodle966;52393164]The banana hat is here and we cant change it :/[/QUOTE] We can change that with mods! Oh, wait, right...

[QUOTE=Fluury;52389423]when cloaking as a team-mate (afaik) he drops a spy corpse.[/QUOTE] If true, this must be new, I remember this being a good strategy to avoid detection with DR as you'd drop the teammate's corpse.

[QUOTE=Drury;52393495]If true, this must be new, I remember this being a good strategy to avoid detection with DR as you'd drop the teammate's corpse.[/QUOTE] I've heard this being the case, but I'm not sure if I've ever seen it honestly... Unless it's only happens on the enemies point of view... Then again, I probably didn't check the corpse all that often as I want to capitalize on being invisible and not wasting the opportunity.

[QUOTE=CoolJosh3k;52392843]What is Jill's twitter? Or any of the other big names in TF2 development for that matter...[/QUOTE] [url]https://twitter.com/nephyrin[/url] - Jill [url]https://twitter.com/jaypinkerton[/url] - comic writer [url]https://twitter.com/makaniart[/url] - comic artist [editline]23rd June 2017[/editline] [url]https://twitter.com/grow_slow[/url] - senior developer

[QUOTE=HL_Tentacle;52392800]Framerates are also dead.[/QUOTE] Sure, if you're on a toaster.

Since the razorback can now regenerate every 30 seconds, I think the caber should regenerate as well. That would compensate for how nerfed into oblivion it was.