[QUOTE=darth-veger;14747049]2. Sandbox2 (crysis warhead PC)[/QUOTE]
What, I thought only the original crysis came with the editor. Or is the patch already out?
The unreal editor is pretty cool, so is sandbox for crysis, but I hate hammer really really much.
[QUOTE=PLing;14748817]I love and hate the UT3 editor. But I mostly just hate Hammer.[/QUOTE]
The FC2 and original FC editors are awesome. But Hammer is just the most stubborn, worst, map editor ever, so if you want a game for the editor get FC or FC2
[QUOTE=Dlaor;14747062]HL2 - Hammer. (PC)[/QUOTE]
Hammer is a rape of the mind and productivity.
Compare this...
[img]http://www.objectvideo.net/hammer_main.png[/img]
To this:
[img]http://www.crymod.com/uploads/mediapool/heightmap/sandbox2.jpg[/img]
And considering Sandbox 2 is the only editor out there (not counting Farcry 2 editor, but that's extremely basic compaired to SB2) to have WYSIWYP capability (what you see is what you play), and is much easier to grasp yet also has powerful features like a flowgraphing node system for scripted and random events, as well as character/archetype/database/vehicle/particle editors all seamlessly built in...
It blows hammer out of the water IMO. But then again Hammer is also 5-6 years old you you can't really complain too much.
[QUOTE=KorJax;14752324]Hammer is a rape of the mind and productivity.
Compare this...
[img]http://www.objectvideo.net/hammer_main.png[/img]
To this:
[img]http://www.crymod.com/uploads/mediapool/heightmap/sandbox2.jpg[/img]
And considering Sandbox 2 is the only editor out there (not counting Farcry 2 editor, but that's extremely basic compaired to SB2) to have WYSIWYP capability (what you see is what you play), and is much easier to grasp yet also has powerful features like a flowgraphing node system for scripted and random events, as well as character/archetype/database/vehicle/particle editors all seamlessly built in...
It blows hammer out of the water IMO. But then again Hammer is also 5-6 years old you you can't really complain too much.[/QUOTE]
In those two images your comparing a fully furnished and playable official Valve map to a 2 second island in the middle of nowhere.
The only people who hate hammer are the people who don't know how to use it.
[QUOTE=acds;14748091]The editor in WC3 was awesome.[/QUOTE]
Unrealed
Hammer and gtkradiant
Once you get the hang of hammer it is the best editor in the world.
Geck and Hammer
FC2 Editor for ease.
Hammer for possibilities.
[QUOTE=PartyPancake;14752803]In those two images your comparing a fully furnished and playable official Valve map to a 2 second island in the middle of nowhere.
The only people who hate hammer are the people who don't know how to use it.[/QUOTE]
Okay, fine
[img]http://i20.tinypic.com/2cam14.jpg[/img]
Now it's even, and still more capable, easier to use, the fact that what you see on the screen is exactly how it will look in-game and you can just jump in and test right there, and has more involved with it. I've used hammer before and I can't stand it.
But again, I don't hate it because I realize it's old and compairing it to a newer editor like SB2 isn't exactly a "fair" comparison. But in question on which one's better, I greatly prefer SB2
SB2 was buggier for me than Hammer. It'd get tons of errors with textures and AI paths on my maps.
Oh yeah, forgot about G.E.C.K. That's pretty alright.
Why does nobody like the G.E.C.K
[QUOTE=KorJax;14752324]
And considering Sandbox 2 is the only editor out there (not counting Farcry 2 editor, but that's extremely basic compaired to SB2) to have WYSIWYP capability (what you see is what you play), and is much easier to grasp yet also has powerful features like a flowgraphing node system for scripted and random events, as well as character/archetype/database/vehicle/particle editors all seamlessly built in...
[/QUOTE]
Tribes 2 and every Torque Engine game has this.
Warcraft 3, Hammer, Far Cry 2 (PC version) :350:
Empire Earth has one of the best map editors of any RTS game I've ever seen.
I've used the editor for Build (Duke Nukem 3D, Doom, etc.) and I must say that it shits all over Hammer, fucking biggest piece of shit ever.
Now Unreal Ed, that's the best.
Also Sandbox sucks.
Warcraft World Editor and Oblivion Construction Set.
[QUOTE=KorJax;14754718]Okay, fine
*huge image*
Now it's even, and still more capable, easier to use, the fact that what you see on the screen is exactly how it will look in-game and you can just jump in and test right there, and has more involved with it. I've used hammer before and I can't stand it.
But again, I don't hate it because I realize it's old and compairing it to a newer editor like SB2 isn't exactly a "fair" comparison. But in question on which one's better, I greatly prefer SB2[/QUOTE]
It may be a lot easier to use, and it's [B]amazing[/B] for outdoor tropical spaces, but it's not as functional as hammer for other things.
For instance, in SB 2 you couldn't create an underground military base with a completely custom layout without making a shit load of models.
You can do that in Hammer.
[QUOTE=Citheros;14757495]Warcraft World Editor and Oblivion Construction Set.[/QUOTE]
Wait what? WoW World editor?
[QUOTE=jad;14758377]Wait what? WoW World editor?[/QUOTE]
No, just Warcraft. Not World of Warcraft.
[QUOTE=PartyPancake;14752803]The only people who hate hammer are the people who don't know how to use it.[/QUOTE]
I've used it for 2-3 years and I don't think I'm going back. Maybe to finish a map of mine or maybe I'll just do it in UT3. Or just concentrate on my other UT3 mod project.
I don't know where people get the idea HAMMER is a good map editor. Use a real map editor for once.
I love FC2's map editor. :]
AoM map editor + reyk's addons for it (Triggers, terrains, triggers, more advanced map edit)
[QUOTE=FunkyHippo;14758791]I don't know where people get the idea HAMMER is a good map editor. Use a real map editor for once.[/QUOTE]
Hammer is a good editor, it's accessible, and fairly easy to use at a basic level. It may not have all the features of a editor for game like Crysis, but it is more than capable of producing great maps. Now all Valve need to do is move away from he BSP system and we might be able to have fancier stuff in out maps.
[QUOTE=Dlaor;14747062]HL2 - Hammer. (PC)[/QUOTE]
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