[QUOTE=demonguard;23791341]as a 2.6m SP pilot, I can be in a tengu in 41 days and have the recommended certs in 72.
its such a bad idea that it's good.[/QUOTE]
T3 ships actually have a very low SP-Bar to use them effectively. Often you can be in a Well fit T3 before you have all the skills to fly an equivalent T2. The problem is their exorbitant cost. You can be in a Tengu very quickly, but having all the key missile skills, shield skills, and subsystem skills to 5 will take you much longer than those 41 or even 72. At that point you would only be using the tengu at partial efficiency, but even that partial efficiency, given a good semi-faction fit will make you quite a tough target. However, this cost and assumed faction fit makes you an instant primary in any engagement.
You can cheat your way to competency in T3's, and low SP. But you're really kicking yourself hard because you're not really making any progress. Usually people who speed to T3's aren't good for anything other than lol killmails on eve-kill's weekly.
They're fun to fly, especially with some logistics behind you, but it's not a good move, like any normal ship, to fly something that expensive without the skills to support it.
tl;dr = Don't do it at 2.6msp.
Okay I just started playing again, I have about 400k ISK and I have no idea what im doing. I completely forgot how to do stuff.
[QUOTE=Bulaba0;23791850]T3 ships actually have a very low SP-Bar to use them effectively. Often you can be in a Well fit T3 before you have all the skills to fly an equivalent T2. The problem is their exorbitant cost. You can be in a Tengu very quickly, but having all the key missile skills, shield skills, and subsystem skills to 5 will take you much longer than those 41 or even 72. At that point you would only be using the tengu at partial efficiency, but even that partial efficiency, given a good semi-faction fit will make you quite a tough target. However, this cost and assumed faction fit makes you an instant primary in any engagement.
You can cheat your way to competency in T3's, and low SP. But you're really kicking yourself hard because you're not really making any progress. Usually people who speed to T3's aren't good for anything other than lol killmails on eve-kill's weekly.
They're fun to fly, especially with some logistics behind you, but it's not a good move, like any normal ship, to fly something that expensive without the skills to support it.
tl;dr = Don't do it at 2.6msp.[/QUOTE]
I planned on using it solely for L4 missioning in high-sec until it has at least paid for itself. I wouldn't risk that much of an investment in any type of PvP engagement (obviously outside of being suicide ganked) without having a damn good alternate income. There's obviously other ways to go about missioning, but the Tengu has been a personal favorite ship of mine since I started.
I wish CCP would hurry and implement a "set all" button when setting planetary extractor cycle times.
I just realized how hard this game is. SO many skills to learn, in so little time.
How long would you guys say it would take to get to level 4 missions from basically scratch?
Excluding skills and the likes of course.
[QUOTE=Moreto;23792699]How long would you guys say it would take to get to level 4 missions from basically scratch?
Excluding skills and the likes of course.[/QUOTE]
running level 4s with someone willing to split the reward is much faster than working up to 1s/2s/3s, but you don't get much actual experience that way.
Can I join someones corp I need one that helps new players. Im not exactly new but I only played for a month and its been 8 months since I played.
Is the Drake actually any good in PvP? I've bought my first one a week ago and got 57 mil from level 3s so far, but have never actually PvP'd and keep hearing Caldari are garbage for PvP.
[QUOTE=Northern Petrol;23793046]Is the Drake actually any good in PvP? I've bought my first one a week ago and got 57 mil from level 3s so far, but have never actually PvP'd and keep hearing Caldari are garbage for PvP.[/QUOTE]
They're not optimal for solo PvP but they're a force to be reckoned with in a fleet. Fit your drake with extenders, a MWD and some HMs and you'll be set.
I wish I wasn't so busy so I could log on once in a while and tend to my corpies.
[QUOTE=demonguard;23792405]I planned on using it solely for L4 missioning in high-sec until it has at least paid for itself. I wouldn't risk that much of an investment in any type of PvP engagement (obviously outside of being suicide ganked) without having a damn good alternate income. There's obviously other ways to go about missioning, but the Tengu has been a personal favorite ship of mine since I started.[/QUOTE]
You won't run them effectively [I]or[/I] efficiently with T1 missiles and T1 hardeners and T1 damage mods.
I totally skipped the battleship stage and ran L4s in my Drake for months until I was able to fly a Tengu competently.
Not only did the skills I spend on making my Drake a maximum gank/tank boat, those skills also made my future ship fitting skills [I]much[/I] better and opened up more capabilities for me.
Despite the fact that little icon says T3, it's totally useless if you lack the funds and skills to use it. Much like Bul said, with any fancy ship you won't be good with it if you lack the support skills.
[img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/220354/Other%20Game%20Screenshots/EVE/whatthefuckman.JPG[/img]
what gives
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and yes I did the force refresh
[QUOTE=demonguard;23794716][IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/220354/Other%20Game%20Screenshots/EVE/whatthefuckman.JPG[/IMG]
what gives
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and yes I did the force refresh[/QUOTE]
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Ain't nobody ever gonna listen to BBJ
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I told you to wait
[QUOTE=BurnBlackJay;23794845][editline]06:28AM[/editline]
Ain't nobody ever gonna listen to BBJ
[editline]06:28AM[/editline]
I told you to wait[/QUOTE]
I know you did babe :love:
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and you were right
[QUOTE=demonguard;23791341]as a 2.6m SP pilot, I can be in a tengu in 41 days and have the recommended certs in 72.
its such a bad idea that it's good.[/QUOTE]
Dont become the Jommis jr.
:colbert:
//its official eve is falling apart, all these database issues, blizzard spah sappin eve cluster
Probably the dev's playing starcraft on the servers :smug:.
gonna refit my drake with better than-basic shield power relays and get some t2/best named heavy launchers to replace my assault launchers
i will hopefully start not sucking
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i want to get to the point where i can easily solo AE4 and then salvage it, and then cross-train into amarr or minmatar and start pvping on a jump clone somewhere. maybe
[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;23799951]gonna refit my drake with better than-basic shield power relays and get some t2/best named heavy launchers to replace my assault launchers
i will hopefully start not sucking
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i want to get to the point where i can easily solo AE4 and then salvage it, and then cross-train into amarr or minmatar and start pvping on a jump clone somewhere. maybe[/QUOTE]
you do not have the skills for t2 heavy launchers, and it will take you 16 days or so to get them. arbalests are expensive as fuck.
also if you want to be farming level 4 missions like that you're going to need more than a drake. battlecruisers are primarily meant for level 3 missions, the drake is just rape enough to do 4s, albeit slowly. to do them with speed and ease you're going to want something like a CNR or a golem. they may be expensive as all hell, but theres a good reason for the price. obviously you're going to want to run them in a normal raven first while you skill up, as skipping to a fucking CNR would be a bit awkward.
[QUOTE=BurnBlackJay;23794845][editline]06:28AM[/editline]
Ain't nobody ever gonna listen to BBJ
[editline]06:28AM[/editline]
I told you to wait[/QUOTE]
FYI he's getting his support skills up for the Tengu first which will allow him to fit a great PvE Drake.
[QUOTE=Northern Petrol;23793046]Is the Drake actually any good in PvP? [/QUOTE]
Yeah, they're great for both solo and fleets actually.
[QUOTE=PajamaSam;23810781]Yeah, they're great for both solo and fleets actually.[/QUOTE]
The fun part is if you have logi, you can fit a fuckton of utility mids, since the resist tank is all you really need to survive. I haven't flown them yet personally (because I lack T2 HAMS) but kinda want to since I have Battlecruiser V now. Command ships in a few days. :fappery:
[QUOTE=Bulaba0;23811664] :fappery:[/QUOTE]
best avatar yet.
[QUOTE=MightyMax;23812039]best avatar yet.[/QUOTE]
stop
i'm tired of seeing people derail threads over the nsfw avatars
its a fucking retarded fad
[QUOTE=Bulaba0;23811664]The fun part is if you have logi, you can fit a fuckton of utility mids, since the resist tank is all you really need to survive. I haven't flown them yet personally (because I lack T2 HAMS) but kinda want to since I have Battlecruiser V now. Command ships in a few days. :fappery:[/QUOTE]
I don't think t2 HAMs are [I]that[/I]needed. HMLs are better in logi supported fleets. Also, BC5 is a sexy skill to have. The extra bonuses you get from it are great.
Tell me, what is the point in the BPO for the Primae?
I mean look at it, it doesn't even have a manufacturing tab.
[QUOTE=demonguard;23812063]
its a fucking retarded fad[/QUOTE]
:frown:
[QUOTE=demonguard;23812063]stop
i'm tired of seeing people derail threads over the nsfw avatars
its a fucking retarded fad[/QUOTE]
if you disagree you are 12 or in the closet
[QUOTE=Cheesemonkey;23818868]if you disagree you are 12 or in the closet[/QUOTE]
I think he is just mad that they de-rail threads. I personally enjoy the pictures and do wonder where the source of Bulaba0's is.
Anyway, I don't know what to go for next. I want a carrier or a command ship but both will take 3 months of training. I can fly a Tengu but I'm not sure if I want to spend the ISK on one. It almost seems it would be better to just get a Bhaalgorn or a Rattlesnake for a couple hundred more million.
[QUOTE=luishi5000;23819652]I think he is just mad that they de-rail threads. I personally enjoy the pictures and do wonder where the source of Bulaba0's is.
Anyway, I don't know what to go for next. I want a carrier or a command ship but both will take 3 months of training. I can fly a Tengu but I'm not sure if I want to spend the ISK on one. It almost seems it would be better to just get a Bhaalgorn or a Rattlesnake for a couple hundred more million.[/QUOTE]
I've noticed Rattlesnakes have dropped, there only 500mil now.
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