Kuromeku - Bring him down - Games

this is what conna wants, people paying attention to him. he's like a little baby that crys whenever mommy looks away. so just ignore him.

While Soren has a point, i'd also like to note that you should watch out for your own servers/communites as well. Kuro/Conna is known for maliciously attacking other servers from time to time, because they're 'competition' in getting the roleplay playerbases of Gmod. I thought the Gmod stuff was supposed to stay in the Gmod sections, though..?

Trying to recruit the FP'ers to get revenge for Kuro's attack on the IGRP server, eh Aedan?

Weather he is making people pay or not, he added backdoors in his scripts which lets him kind of do a hacking sort of thing and shut the server down. [quote]I think we need to get some friends of our own. Kuromeku, Jon, and God knows who else are trying to destroy our servers/community. Perhaps we should get some "hacking" technicians and show them we aren't something they can toy with. Our SQL has already been screwed up. Although we can keep rebuilding I think that it will eventually become tiring. I'm just sayin'.[/quote] [quote]Server Console just said Infusiongaming server is not authorized server and is leaked. Next thing I know Gamemode is sandbox and map is GM_construct. Personaly I think someones fucking with us. But what else am I supposed to waste my life on, certainly not DarkRP[/quote] [quote]Alright. To explain this further... Jon has the rights to the HL2RP Gamemode. Kuromeku, is charging for people to use the gamemode and which has already been stated by Valve is illegal. He also has backdoors planted in his script - incase the community gets to popular. Please be patient and the server will be up as soon as possible.[/quote] [quote]Myself and Vison are in the middle of contacting Steam about his illegal activities. He is illegally selling copyrighted material for a sum of 300$. Which he needs to split the profit with Valve - Theres nothing we can do about his actions against the server as we are using software he has developed. Therefore, we are allowing the script to be continued to be used on the server.[/quote] [quote]kuro ********** us. Although, he's going to get sued for other.. Misc. reasons.[/quote]

And where is this Backdoor and how do i know if i have it?

kuromeku is only selling 100% Lua code, there is nothing in any law that states he cannot do that. If he was selling other people's content, or including Valve's content then it would be illegal and Valve would be sure to get involved. As far as I'm concerned, you're just jealous that kuromeku is using his knowledge to earn money, and people are paying for it, and you aren't getting anything out of your Lua scripts. /thread

[QUOTE=DavidBryton;20706574]kuromeku is only selling 100% Lua code, there is nothing in any law that states he cannot do that. If he was selling other people's content, or including Valve's content then it would be illegal and Valve would be sure to get involved. As far as I'm concerned, you're just jealous that kuromeku is using his knowledge to earn money, and people are paying for it, and you aren't getting anything out of your Lua scripts. /thread[/QUOTE] But adding backdoor coding to crash other servers is 100% fine. Isn't it?

capitalism is a way for us to vote with our money what gets to stay on the market if people buy it, it has a place being sold commercially

United we stand, Divided we fall...

Nnah, his fanbase is too strong and stuff. When i said my opinion about his community on some build server, guy that had "RoleNation" before his nickname raged and told me Kuro is like god and he will kill me when I'll sleep. It was dumb situation, like most of CS admins on servers. Paying for this gamemode is stupid but let him do what he wants to, until he won't be affecting me i'm okay with this.

[QUOTE=DavidBryton;20706574]kuromeku is only selling 100% Lua code, there is nothing in any law that states he cannot do that. If he was selling other people's content, or including Valve's content then it would be illegal and Valve would be sure to get involved. As far as I'm concerned, you're just jealous that kuromeku is using his knowledge to earn money, and people are paying for it, and you aren't getting anything out of your Lua scripts. /thread[/QUOTE] If Valve and whoever else is involved with gmod doesn't get a share of the trickle there will be lawsuits.

Unless he ships his gamemode with copyrighted content(models, materials, sounds etc created by Valve) then Valve wont give a shit. Now I'm no law expert, but if it were possible to sue people over the internet don't you think we'd hear about thousands of lawsuits happening every day? If I could get a penny for every time I've heard someone say they'd sue another person over the internet I'd be a millionaire, yet if I got a penny for every time that had actually happened I would barely be able to afford food for a day. Seen a few cases where the person actually calls the police though(not emergency call, that would be silly), only to get told there's nothing they can do.

[QUOTE=Aedan1;20708952]If Valve and whoever else is involved with gmod doesn't get a share of the trickle there will be lawsuits.[/QUOTE] Wrong, he isn't shipping it with any content other than what [b]he[/b] as made, pure text that he wrote. Therefore there is nothing the law can do. It's like sueing a lightbulb company just because their product requires a lampshade - it's silly. [QUOTE=ComboTroop;20706603]But adding backdoor coding to crash other servers is 100% fine. Isn't it?[/QUOTE] The backdoors in the products he sells are insurance incase anyone leaks it or breaks the terms of service or whatever, I think that's totally fair and so do his customers.

Stop sucking off Conna for fucks sakes people [QUOTE=DavidBryton;20712818][QUOTE=Aedan1;20708952]If Valve and whoever else is involved with gmod doesn't get a share of the trickle there will be lawsuits.[/QUOTE] Wrong, he isn't shipping it with any content other than what [b]he[/b] as made, pure text that he wrote. Therefore there is nothing the law can do. It's like sueing a lightbulb company just because their product requires a lampshade - it's silly. [QUOTE=ComboTroop;20706603]But adding backdoor coding to crash other servers is 100% fine. Isn't it?[/QUOTE] The backdoors in the products he sells are insurance incase anyone leaks it or breaks the terms of service or whatever, I think that's totally fair and so do his customers.[/QUOTE] The backdoor things is just suspicious.

[QUOTE=DavidBryton;20712818]Wrong, he isn't shipping it with any content other than what [b]he[/b] as made, pure text that he wrote. Therefore there is nothing the law can do. It's like sueing a lightbulb company just because their product requires a lampshade - it's silly. The backdoors in the products he sells are insurance incase anyone leaks it or breaks the terms of service or whatever, I think that's totally fair and so do his customers.[/QUOTE]It's extremely easy to remove those backdoors; just search the Lua code for any specific SteamIDs, IP addresses, or special codes that was in the code when purchased and/or downloaded and comment out any code that uses the SteamIDs.

All he is selling is LUA code. Lets say, for the sake of argument, that VALVe or whatever is angry at this and tell him to take it down. All he would have to do is sell the code but not specify what it was for. If he was questioned he could just say it was example LUA code for no real purpose. However, he is in complete legal right to sell this. Who would buy it though?

[QUOTE=Doug52392;20713040]It's extremely easy to remove those backdoors; just search the Lua code for any specific SteamIDs, IP addresses, or special codes that was in the code when purchased and/or downloaded and comment out any code that uses the SteamIDs.[/QUOTE] His new 'insurance backdoors' are in the .dlls now-a-days. But yeah, what's so bad about it if he informs his customers before they buy it, and they don't mind? Then who cares. Seems to me like you're clutching at straws trying to find reasons to hate him, or just jealous of his success with money from these gamemodes. And I also find it funny that whenever someone defends him you call them a "fanboy"; I think that's a little unfair and one-sided if you aren't going to allow defence against your 'arguments'.

I got an argument Fuck conna, How I am going to be jealous of such a queer? Hey I bet he is going to get butthurt again and hack my account. [editline]09:56PM[/editline] AGAINn

[QUOTE=DavidBryton;20713093]His new 'insurance backdoors' are in the .dlls now-a-days. But yeah, what's so bad about it if he informs his customers before they buy it, and they don't mind? Then who cares. Seems to me like you're clutching at straws trying to find reasons to hate him, or just jealous of his success with money from these gamemodes. And I also find it funny that whenever someone defends him you call them a "fanboy"; I think that's a little unfair and one-sided if you aren't going to allow defence against your 'arguments'.[/QUOTE]Why does a script need DLL files? Regardless, any competent Lua coder could easily modify the script to not require the DLLs to load, but I suppose any competent Lua coder would want nothing to do with Conna and his "scripts." I was never aware Conna actually put malicious code into the DLL files until now. I never once accused anyone of "fanboyism." I respect the opinions of others, and I only wish to express my exclusive and personal opinion on this matter.

Those DLLs are required to do a lot of things like saving data and other miscellaneous stuff; it would take a lot of effort to make them unrequired - but sure it's possible. But the script wouldn't work the same, or have some of the advanced things it has without them. [QUOTE=OrDnAs;20713129]I got an argument Fuck conna, How I am going to be jealous of such a queer? Hey I bet he is going to get butthurt again and hack my account. [editline]09:56PM[/editline] AGAINn[/QUOTE] You seem to be displaying the exact immaturity and jealousy that I am talking about. Way to go. If you hate Conna/kuromeku then that is your choice and I'm sure you have your reasons, but there's no need to get immature and flame him on a forum board. If I may say so, I would say you are the one who is 'butthurt', as shown by what I quoted above.

[QUOTE=DavidBryton;20713165]Those DLLs are required to do a lot of things like saving data and other miscellaneous stuff; it would take a lot of effort to make them unrequired - but sure it's possible. But the script wouldn't work the same, or have some of the advanced things it has without them.[/QUOTE]As I said, it's as simple as determining what the DLL files do by analyzing the script and pinpointing which functions call methods from the DLLs and either manually code a new DLL file or code everything into the Lua scripts. It isn't that hard to do, but I'd assume the script just isn't worth putting that much effort (or cash) into getting to work.

[QUOTE=DavidBryton;20713165]m. You seem to be displaying the exact immaturity and jealousy that I am talking about. Way to go. If you hate Conna/kuromeku then that is your choice and I'm sure you have your reasons, but there's no need to get immature and flame him on a forum board. If I may say so, I would say you are the one who is 'butthurt'?[/QUOTE] I can talk in verbose i am better than you and because he's permabanned for the 5th time (unless someone else is that shitfuck), well.. fuck him

[QUOTE=Doug52392;20713208]As I said, it's as simple as determining what the DLL files do by analyzing the script and pinpointing which functions call methods from the DLLs and either manually code a new DLL file or code everything into the Lua scripts. It isn't that hard to do, but I'd assume the script just isn't worth putting that much effort (or cash) into getting to work.[/QUOTE] Sure, you could find out the DLL's purpose and program a new one to do a similiar thing, but that requires a bit of Lua knowledge and extensive C++ knowledge. Not too many people here have the latter; and so I don't think it's a big deal to kuromeku.

Hey look with this thing called internet i can learn lua and C++

[QUOTE=OrDnAs;20713239]I can talk in verbose i am better than you and because he's permabanned for the 5th time (unless someone else is that shitfuck), well.. fuck him[/QUOTE] Congratulations, you have successfully proved my point. Oh and Conna has only been permabanned twice; the last time was only because he was accidently unbanned.

[QUOTE=DavidBryton;20713250]Sure, you could find out the DLL's purpose and program a new one to do a similiar thing, but that requires a bit of Lua knowledge and extensive C++ knowledge. Not too many people here have the latter; and so I don't think it's a big deal to kuromeku.[/QUOTE]I've been taking AP computer programming classes since my freshman year of high school bro. I'm sure I can manage, but as I said, it just isn't worth investing a significant amount of time into because the script is very poor in doing what it claims to do.

[QUOTE=OrDnAs;20713265]Hey look with this thing called internet i can learn lua and C++[/QUOTE] Yes, it sure is [i]that[/i] easy to just learn C++ over night. People don't take two year courses on it for a diploma or anything.

[QUOTE=DavidBryton;20713272]Congratulations, you have successfully proved my point. Oh and Conna has only been permabanned twice; the last time was only because he was accidently unbanned.[/QUOTE] he's still a shitfuck [editline]10:07PM[/editline] [QUOTE=DavidBryton;20713280]Yes, it sure is [i]that[/i] easy to just learn C++ over night. People don't take two year courses on it for a diploma or anything.[/QUOTE] yes, it is [I]that[/I] easy

[QUOTE=Doug52392;20713278]I've been taking AP computer programming classes since my freshman year of high school bro. I'm sure I can manage, but as I said, it just isn't worth investing a significant amount of time into because the script is very poor in doing what it claims to do.[/QUOTE] May I ask how it is poor? I understand that some of the schemas made for it can be, but that is because they are designed that way - the actual framework itself is flexible enough to design a roleplaying gamemode of any complexity, whether you wish it to be elegantly simple or extremely complicated and detailed. Just because the schemas you have seen (HL2 RP, etc) are complex and unnecessarily detailed for the kind of roleplay you enjoy, it does not mean that the framework is not capable of creating ones that are - or that there aren't lots of people that do enjoy that complexity. I think you need to be more open minded to the different styles of roleplaying that people enjoy, I myself have been doing text roleplay on IRC for years; and yet I still enjoy a gander into the detailed scripts available. I have also seen kuromeku's framework used to create simple and perfect roleplaying gamemodes made to my taste; and so perhaps I have more knowledge of it, but I guess you can only go on what you have witnessed. Reguardless of taste in roleplay, I don't think the quality of the script can be ignored - I have taken a look at it myself and find it highly optimised and well structured; unlike some of the other scripts I have seen around which seem to be bundles of code glued together in hope that it will produce something good. I won't name any such scripts as that would be unfair, but out of them all I have found the nexus framework to be the most optimised and the most well structured, designed and maintained. But that is just my opinion, and everyone is entitled to one.

[QUOTE=DavidBryton;20713316]May I ask how it is poor? I understand that some of the schemas made for it can be, but that is because they are designed that way - the actual framework itself is flexible enough to design a roleplaying gamemode of any complexity, whether you wish it to be elegantly simple or extremely complicated and detailed. Just because the schemas you have seen (HL2 RP, etc) are complex and unnecessarily detailed for the kind of roleplay you enjoy, it does not mean that the framework is not capable of creating ones that are - or that there aren't lots of people that do enjoy that complexity.[/QUOTE]Yeah, the framework is capable of creating a true role-playing environment, but since no one except Conna and one or two people who paid hundreds of dollars for the script can create new schemas and modify the framework, we'll never see any new schemas except HL2 RP. [QUOTE=DavidBryton;20713316]I think you need to be more open minded to the different styles of roleplaying that people enjoy, I myself have been doing text roleplay on IRC for years; and yet I still enjoy a gander into the detailed scripts available. I have also seen kuromeku's framework used to create simple and perfect roleplaying gamemodes made to my taste; and so perhaps I have more knowledge of it, but I guess you can only go on what you have witnessed.[/quote] I've been playing pen-and-paper role-playing games for over a year now, yet I can still appreciate the quality of some of the role-playing scripts available for Garry's Mod. Conna's scripts just isn't one of them.