RUSE to use Ubishit DRM. - Games

DRM isn't bad if it works and isn't bullshit (internet for singleplayer required?!), but its a chain: Pirates -> Improved DRM -> Pirates crack it -> Improved DRM -> and so on

[QUOTE=lockdown6;20987094]Glent hasn't used it. I have, and it worked fine, it did not prove to be an inconvenience in any way. Have you used it? Of course not. It's like the "halo sucks" bandwagon. Everyone is like "wow halo worst game ever go valve" yet none of the ones saying it sucks have actually played it.[/QUOTE] Aside from the fact that you can't prove I haven't used it, I'm talking about the DRM in respect to RUSE and I very much doubt that you have the final version of RUSE. And stop with the whole 'bandwagon' thing. It's just a retarded way of saying "you're not entitled to your own opinion". [QUOTE=lockdown6;20987094]I'm not gonna buy a game if I can't run it, all because of their stupid graphics![/QUOTE] First, that's a terrible comparison. A person can put up with bad graphics if they have a poor graphics card - but they can't play the game at all if they have a poor connection and the game uses this DRM. Second, graphics requirements are a necessary evil. Without them we won't have decent visual effects. This retarded DRM isn't necessary - it's just there because Ubisoft can't come up with better anti-piracy software. Third, it's all about the gaming experience. If I have limited money - which I do - I'm going to buy the game that gives me the best gaming experience. [QUOTE=lockdown6;20987094]All Valve games have been cracked. Where have you been? Steam does not stop piracy, unlike what everyone seems to think.[/QUOTE] Steam has anti-piracy software that has been cracked. Ubisoft has anti-piracy software that pisses off it's customers and will still be cracked anyway. Go figure. Also, do me a favour in future and read my posts correctly. I never said anywhere that Steam was piracy-free.

[QUOTE=lockdown6;20995567]How would it be any different from AC2? No, it's a way of saying "I haven't used this product but everyone else says it sucks so I'll say it sucks, too!". You can't play a game at all if you have a really bad GPU. That, or it'll be unplayably laggy. It IS the same thing. "Better" as in easier to crack? ok boss And how would DRM ruin that experience? Steam's "DRM" has been cracked. Ubisoft's DRM has not been cracked. Pisses off its customers? That's everyone except me, apparently, I'm so silly! I wasn't referring to you in particular. Some OTHER people in this thread said that Steam (Valve's games I guess) have not been cracked.[/QUOTE] Companies do not INTENTIONALLY lock out their customers if they can't buy a good GPU. This company is locking out customers with a bad ISP. Also, your point is that it's not Ubisoft's fault that I don't have a good ISP. Ok, but they'll be affected by that in the end when I [b]don't buy the game[/b].

It's really hard for me to understand these arguments. Ok, let me try to explain the problem. Publishers don't make games, Developers make games. You do need to seperate. Now if a publisher has an in house developer or a dev has an inhouse pub doesnt matter, they still do seperate things. What kind of financial agreement they got to do their respective things is nothing you and i can judge/influence. Thats their business. Devs make games Publishers put them in boxes and hand them to the post man. This Business modell worked well in the 80ies and 90ies, but today is clearly ludicrous, and at most interesting for a hand full of people who don't have broadband. Publishers are middlemen. Most middlemen *ADD* some value to the product, or else they get passed over rather quickly. Publishers "SUBSTRACT" value. Now it really doesn't matter if it's just "a little value", like annoying trailers on a DVD. The point is that the product they sell is *WORSE* than the one availliable for free. If you live near a freshwater spring, and decide to make a business bottling the water and selling it right next to it, publicly spitting into each bottle will *NOT* help your sales! So: if you believe a free market approach is a good way to distribute digital data, you must agree that publishers are obsoltete, and need to go. And in a free market you help to do so by just not giving them any money. It is not the first industry to die because of some technological change either. How far do you have to ride your horse to find a decent blacksmith these days? Oh: and everybody has broadband these days? Guess who payed for all those nice routers and DSL stations and made delivering broadband to priavate households profitable... I doubt it was carried by lots of folks wanting to send really huge emails...

[QUOTE=magellan;21138681]It's really hard for me to understand these arguments. Ok, let me try to explain the problem. Publishers don't make games, Developers make games. You do need to seperate. Now if a publisher has an in house developer or a dev has an inhouse pub doesnt matter, they still do seperate things. What kind of financial agreement they got to do their respective things is nothing you and i can judge/influence. Thats their business. Devs make games Publishers put them in boxes and hand them to the post man. This Business modell worked well in the 80ies and 90ies, but today is clearly ludicrous, and at most interesting for a hand full of people who don't have broadband. Publishers are middlemen. Most middlemen *ADD* some value to the product, or else they get passed over rather quickly. Publishers "SUBSTRACT" value. Now it really doesn't matter if it's just "a little value", like annoying trailers on a DVD. The point is that the product they sell is *WORSE* than the one availliable for free. If you live near a freshwater spring, and decide to make a business bottling the water and selling it right next to it, publicly spitting into each bottle will *NOT* help your sales! So: if you believe a free market approach is a good way to distribute digital data, you must agree that publishers are obsoltete, and need to go. And in a free market you help to do so by just not giving them any money. It is not the first industry to die because of some technological change either. How far do you have to ride your horse to find a decent blacksmith these days? Oh: and everybody has broadband these days? Guess who payed for all those nice routers and DSL stations and made delivering broadband to priavate households profitable... I doubt it was carried by lots of folks wanting to send really huge emails...[/QUOTE] You make no sense, why would you want to sell water with your spit on it right next to a damn freshwater fountain if people could just go right next to you and fill their own bottles? Not everyone buys games through the internet, either they are afraid of putting private information on the internet or they just don't want to. There are some people that still like the feel of going out to buy a game and have the box around with the manual and sometimes some extras. And what the fuck do horses and blacksmiths and freshwater fountains have anything to do with this? Are you living in the past?

[QUOTE=magellan;21138681]It's really hard for me to understand these arguments. Ok, let me try to explain the problem. Publishers don't make games, Developers make games. You do need to seperate. Now if a publisher has an in house developer or a dev has an inhouse pub doesnt matter, they still do seperate things. What kind of financial agreement they got to do their respective things is nothing you and i can judge/influence. Thats their business. [b]We know[/b] Devs make games [b] What a twist![/b] Publishers put them in boxes and hand them to the post man. This Business modell worked well in the 80ies and 90ies, but today is clearly ludicrous, and at most interesting for a hand full of people who don't have broadband. Publishers are middlemen. Most middlemen *ADD* some value to the product, or else they get passed over rather quickly. Publishers "SUBSTRACT" value. Now it really doesn't matter if it's just "a little value", like annoying trailers on a DVD. The point is that the product they sell is *WORSE* than the one availliable for free. If you live near a freshwater spring, and decide to make a business bottling the water and selling it right next to it, publicly spitting into each bottle will *NOT* help your sales! [b] How are they making it worse you mean DRM? No they are not making it worse it's just another requirement like upgrading your specs [/b] So: if you believe a free market approach is a good way to distribute digital data, you must agree that publishers are obsoltete, and need to go. And in a free market you help to do so by just not giving them any money. It is not the first industry to die because of some technological change either. How far do you have to ride your horse to find a decent blacksmith these days? [b] STOP MAKING ALL THESE ANALOGIES AND MAKE A DAMN POINT and no publishers do not need to go because you need to think of the marketing, approval and so many business points that devs cannot afford to maintain as well as developing some devs are rich enough but most aren't[/b] Oh: and everybody has broadband these days? Guess who payed for all those nice routers and DSL stations and made delivering broadband to priavate households profitable... I doubt it was carried by lots of folks wanting to send really huge emails... [B] Most people will have internet so if you can't have a good internet connection chances are your PC is not going to be able to run the game also this was horribly worded and spelled[/b] [/QUOTE]

What the fuck are you guys on about, STEAM has a subtle DRM that consists of making an account and an internet connection. Ubisoft just expands on this by making a constant internet connectiong required. Yes this sucks, and yes I know you don't like it, but if pirates would stop their shit none of this would have happend.

Yes, selling a non scarce resource (like water next to a fountain) is not going to make you rich. DRM adds *NO* functionality, no benefit to me as a consumer. I dont need it. I dont want it. I am supposed to pay for it ... why? Because it comes bundled with a game? My torrents come bundled with games too, so sorry, not going to buy. Oh, and can copy those files as much as i want, so added functionality right there, and the movies come without 5 minutes of unskippable trailers... and I am supposed to buy them nonetheless because a company says "pretty please"? Marketing: Ask any advertiser. The best marketing is word of mouth. Publishers can't do that one either. We don't need them for marketing anymore either. Publishing games was a good way to get rich ... in the 80ies and 90ies. It's over. We don't need publishers to hand our money to the devs anymore, we need paypal for that. We don't need them to make a product known, we need fora for that, we don't need them to distribute the data, we need an ISP for that, we don't need them to burn data to a DVD if we don't have internet, we can do that ourselves for almost free as well.

[QUOTE=magellan;21139073]Yes, selling a non scarce resource (like water next to a fountain) is not going to make you rich. DRM adds *NO* functionality, no benefit to me as a consumer. I dont need it. I dont want it. I am supposed to pay for it ... why? Because it comes bundled with a game? My torrents come bundled with games too, so sorry, not going to buy. Oh, and can copy those files as much as i want, so added functionality right there, and the movies come without 5 minutes of unskippable trailers... and I am supposed to buy them nonetheless because a company says "pretty please"? [b] IT'S NOT SUPPOSED TO BE FOR THE CUSTOMER IT'S FOR THE PUBLISHER AND DEVS NUMBNUTS. It's supposed to prevent piracy whoever said DRM is for customers. The publishers and devs are not slaves to you they have a right to protect their own work and property[/b] Marketing: Ask any advertiser. The best marketing is word of mouth. Publishers can't do that one either. We don't need them for marketing anymore either. [b] and how is a game going to become a word of a mouth without marketing?[/b] Publishing games was a good way to get rich ... in the 80ies and 90ies. It's over. We don't need publishers to hand our money to the devs anymore, we need paypal for that. We don't need them to make a product known, we need fora for that, we don't need them to distribute the data, we need an ISP for that, we don't need them to burn data to a DVD if we don't have internet, we can do that ourselves for almost free as well. [b] For the last fucking time not everything is going to be download only. No you are a fucking moron I'm done arguing[/b] [/QUOTE]

[QUOTE=Sickle;21138896]What the fuck are you guys on about, STEAM has a subtle DRM that consists of making an account and an internet connection. Ubisoft just expands on this by making a constant internet connectiong required. Yes this sucks, and yes I know you don't like it, but if pirates would stop their shit none of this would have happend.[/QUOTE] That's a sensible argument. While we are at it, let's imprison everyone on the planet so we can stop crime. Yes this sucks and yes I know you don't like it, but if criminals would stop their shit then there wouldn't be any need to do it. In other words, the customer shouldn't have to suffer just because of pirates. It's a very bad idea to drive away your customers - just as Ubisoft are learning the hard way.

[QUOTE=Fusilero1;21139109][/QUOTE] Fusilero... If it's not FOR the customer, then it's a bad DRM and a shitty piece-of-trash motherfucking assraping SONOFABITCH COMPANY!

[QUOTE=geel9;21143058]Fusilero... If it's not FOR the customer, then it's a bad DRM and a shitty piece-of-trash motherfucking assraping SONOFABITCH COMPANY![/QUOTE] Wat.... The DRM wasn't designed with the customer in mind it was designed with the security of the devs/publishers profit

[QUOTE=lockdown6;20989643]also, I like how you call me selfish, yet you want ubisoft not to protect their game because of your $2/month connection and who DOESN'T have a consistent internet connection these days? if very few people did, games like TF2 or BF2 would be way less popular[/QUOTE] Yup, definitely retarded. You do know that there are many countries, even developed, industrialized, western countries, that don't have great internet? Of course you wouldn't know that, you can't think of anyone but yourself.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;21143426]Yup, definitely retarded. You do know that there are many countries, even developed, industrialized, western countries, that don't have great internet? Of course you wouldn't know that, you can't think of anyone but yourself.[/QUOTE] WHAT THE FLYING FUCK!? HOW COULD YOU PUT UNDERDEVELOPED COUNTRIES INTO A CONTEXT ABOUT MODERN GAMES IF THEY WERE UNDERDEVELOPED THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE PCS STRONG ENOUGH TO RUN THESE KIND OF GAMES no I don't even.... this is too stupid you win DRM haters I give up :suicide:

[QUOTE=Fusilero1;21143413]Wat.... The DRM wasn't designed with the customer in mind it was designed with the security of the devs/publishers profit[/QUOTE] Yes, and that is exactly why people are getting pissed off - the publisher is putting itself before the customers.

[QUOTE=Fusilero1;21143460]WHAT THE FLYING FUCK!? HOW COULD YOU PUT UNDERDEVELOPED COUNTRIES INTO A CONTEXT ABOUT MODERN GAMES IF THEY WERE UNDERDEVELOPED THEY WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO HAVE PCS STRONG ENOUGH TO RUN THESE KIND OF GAMES no I don't even.... this is too stupid you win DRM haters I give up :suicide:[/QUOTE] YOU WANT TO CALL ME STUPID, AND YET YOU DIDN'T EVEN PROPERLY READ MY POST!? Should probably just slap you on ignore list, you haven't contributed anything worth reading to this thread. At least the other DMR worshippers have SOMETHING to say. You're just a fucking mouthpiece.

[QUOTE=FlakAttack;21143551]YOU WANT TO CALL ME STUPID, AND YET YOU DIDN'T EVEN PROPERLY READ MY POST!? Should probably just slap you on ignore list, you haven't contributed anything worth reading to this thread. At least the other DMR worshippers have SOMETHING to say. You're just a fucking mouthpiece.[/QUOTE] Fine, fine I misread your post but could you tell me a country without at the very least a stable internet that is developed they never said a great connection was needed just a connection

What are you talking about? There is no "Perfect Internet".

Actually mine has been acting up all day. :) But thats totally besides the point. If you want me to give you money, I would like to have something in return. Now this DRM thingy according to UBI provides me with the following: I can Install as often as I like - [B] a function UBI deliberatley removed from the product [/B] I can play without a disk in the drive - [B] a function UBI deliberately added to the product [/B] I can store my savegames with them Ok, so 2 out of 3 functions I get because UBI [b] actively removed them before, and spent money on that removal [/b] and the 3rd ... I dont know, some people might like that, personally I really don't need that. All 3 [b] DO NOT REQUIRE A INTERNET CONNECTION BEING ACTICE ALL TIME DURING PLAYING [/b] (the saving thing needs it once) Oh, and pirates get 2 out of the 3 for free. Sorry, I don't give money to companies, for no other reason but that they really would like to have it. (or anybody for that matter) If I did I would be rather poor.

I have tried this DRM first-hand and I hate it so. 1.5 Mb/s is apparently not enough for the DRM to run smoothly for me. Also, what happens when their server costs go through the roof with more and more games?

[QUOTE=magellan;21148928]Actually mine has been acting up all day. :) But thats totally besides the point. If you want me to give you money, I would like to have something in return. Now this DRM thingy according to UBI provides me with the following: I can Install as often as I like - [B] a function UBI deliberatley removed from the product [/B][I][B]WRONG[/B][/I] I can play without a disk in the drive - [B] a function UBI deliberately added to the product [/B][I][B]CORRECT[/B][/I] I can store my savegames with them [B]YEP[/B] Ok, so 2 out of 3 functions I get because UBI [B] actively removed them before, and spent money on that removal [/B] and the 3rd ... I dont know, some people might like that, personally I really don't need that. All 3 [B] DO NOT REQUIRE A INTERNET CONNECTION BEING ACTICE ALL TIME DURING PLAYING [/B] (the saving thing needs it once) [I][B]GOOD WORK[/B][/I] Oh, and pirates get 2 out of the 3 for free. [I][B]PIRATES HAVE NOTHING[/B][/I] Sorry, I don't give money to companies, for no other reason but that they really would like to have it. (or anybody for that matter) If I did I would be rather poor. [B]OK.[/B][/QUOTE] About 4/5ths of the way through ACII, I haven't been disconnected once. I watched lockdown6 play and he got disconnected once, a minute later he got reconnected exactly where he left off. No reason for RUSE to use a worse DRM, so I think it will be the same. [editline]08:14AM[/editline] [QUOTE=MutantBadger;21149403]Also, what happens when their server costs go through the roof with more and more games?[/QUOTE] They release a patch removing the DRM, as they already said.

[QUOTE=Glent;21159271]About 4/5ths of the way through ACII, I haven't been disconnected once. I watched lockdown6 play and he got disconnected once, a minute later he got reconnected exactly where he left off. No reason for RUSE to use a worse DRM, so I think it will be the same. [/QUOTE] This is an irritating argument, which basically amounts to: "I have never had a bad experience with this DRM so therefore no one else is allowed to complain about it." But then you admit that someone else did experience a problem, which shouldn't be happening at all. You're trying to defend something that, by your own admission, is faulty.

I can imagine activision doing this.

Well, I suppose there's no point in arguing. Everyone knows that boycots do not work so that's no option, and us discussing here how shit the drm is also has no effect. The only way Ubisoft will realise they're wrong is to not buy the game, but 80% of the people who wanted to buy the game before they knew about the drm thing, will still buy it. I mean look at L4D2. Everyone was like 'omgg valve released the game too early and we're all not going to buy thiss' and everyone bought it anyway. The same will happen.

Stupid, stupid Ubisoft.

[QUOTE=BrQ;21171086]Well, I suppose there's no point in arguing. Everyone knows that boycots do not work so that's no option, and us discussing here how shit the drm is also has no effect. The only way Ubisoft will realise they're wrong is to not buy the game, but 80% of the people who wanted to buy the game before they knew about the drm thing, will still buy it. I mean look at L4D2. Everyone was like 'omgg valve released the game too early and we're all not going to buy thiss' and everyone bought it anyway. The same will happen.[/QUOTE] :what:

Welp, there goes that.

lockdown6 is trying to troll again. Nice try pal.

Ac2 is cracked now anyways.

Random ironic sentence with a quote that has nothing to do. Good job.