I heard somewhere that the DDOS attack was a fake and they just used it to excuse their server failures.
Unfortunately the article is in german.
[url]http://www.tomshardware.de/Assassins-Creed-II,testberichte-240520-5.html[/url]
This next paragraph explains why it MAY not be a DDOS attack at all. Please excuse gramatical errors because ti was roughly translated.
[quote="Article"]The problems with the login has been explained in hindsight with DDoS attacks on the server, which surprised us, however, abundant. Because of this statement are confronted by two facts, one can also not easily brushed aside. Firstly, we found, after all, plenty of hiding on Saturday already a reference to due maintenance on the server (actually an impossibility so soon after a release) and the other one has to ask why the attacks occurred only when the best time for a game was, and always ended when the majority were in bed. In addition, the statements surprised that no one will have noticed by the workers of the appropriate server at the time of the problem somewhat. A succinct indication that the weekend was as little pleased, especially as it raises further questions about the reliability of the service.[/quote]
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well it looks like you didn't learn anything from the education we all paid for, payed is a different word referring to ropes.[/QUOTE]
Well it looks like you didn't read or understand my post and then made up for this
lack of understanding by criticizing a small typo in my previous post, which I fixed by the way.
The point I was making is that no one has an internet connection that is going to be stable 100% of the time, especially if they're on a wireless network. Why should I be punished with the inability to play a game simply because my internet or Ubisoft's servers aren't perfect?
The attacks would occur at the best time for a game because that's the best time to prove a point. Deny people the right to play, they get mad at Ubisoft as opposed to the twats who did it.
[QUOTE=David29;20944611]It's like if a baker baked a cake and someone took a crap on it. It isn't the bakers fault that there is crap on it, but he's not going to be popular if he tries to sell it.[/QUOTE]
But you can't really eat the cake after someone shits on it whereas this system literally has worked perfectly 99% of the time. Have you even used it?
I'll admit it's flawed but it's not flawed beyond use.
[QUOTE=Zerg_humper;20945109]Well it looks like you didn't read or understand my post and then made up for this
lack of understanding by criticizing a small typo in my previous post, which I fixed by the way.
The point I was making is that no one has an internet connection that is going to be stable 100% of the time, especially if they're on a wireless network. Why should I be punished with the inability to play a game simply because my internet or Ubisoft's servers aren't perfect?[/QUOTE]
If your internet isn't perfect that's your problem, not those of us with a reliable connection. Mine only goes out when there's a pretty serious storm.
Even then, it just brings you back to the most recent checkpoint (and there are a LOT of checkpoints in AC2)
[quote=Adamater]Ruse will probably do the same as C&C4 and kick you to the menu, no saving or anything. [/quote]
Who's to say that Ubisoft'll pick up EA's menu kicking?
Ruse will probably do the same as C&C4 and kick you to the menu, no saving or anything.
[QUOTE=the_shape;20897677]I thought everybody hated RUSE.[/QUOTE]
No, it was all a ruse. :downs:
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But you can't really eat the cake after someone shits on it whereas this system literally has worked perfectly 99% of the time. Have you even used it?
I'll admit it's flawed but it's not flawed beyond use.
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Your only looking at this from your own perspective, not everyone has a perfect internet connection,
I'm with Charter and it's absolute shit but there are no alternative services where I live.
Even if Ubisoft's servers had a 100% up time it wouldn't
make what they are doing justifiable.
It's just one of those things that leaves me scratching my head. How could Ubisoft come up with such an inefficient and annoying DRM system? This program is going to cost them
thousands of dollars a year running their DRM servers and eventually when the company goes out of business or merges with another company, then what happens to those servers? Will I still be able to play my game? If not then did I just pay for a really long rental?
Maybe if you look at it that way you will see not everyone is too happy about not getting to truly own what they [B][U]PAID[/U][/B] for.
[QUOTE=133753P34K;20945178]If your internet isn't perfect that's your problem, not those of us with a reliable connection. Mine only goes out when there's a pretty serious storm.[/QUOTE]
tdlr; "My Internet connection is perfect, not yours."
I despise this kind of comment. Even the rich guy can have the worst connection possible. I am in the center of the city, and connected on Network LAN and it happens to have some problems with Internet, especially when the box is on maintenace or when each member of my family is using Internet.
It seems the DRM defenders are incredibely selfish, because they don't want to understand the differents flaws of this system on many people, and insulting people when they are on serious lack of arguments.
tbh 133753P34K, you stopped making much sense back in the RUSE drm thread. Now your just restating and denying everything. No one, I repeat, No one person in the world has perfect internet. And it really sounds like you are protecting this thing simply because others are defending it, it almost seems like you have no opinion at all and your just protecting it for the sake of arguing over and over again.
[QUOTE=Zerg_humper;20945412]Your only looking at this from your own perspective, not everyone has a perfect internet connection,
I'm with Charter and it's absolute shit but there are no alternative services where I live.
Even if Ubisoft's servers had a 100% up time it wouldn't
make what they are doing justifiable.
It's just one of those things that leaves me scratching my head. How could Ubisoft come up with such an inefficient and annoying DRM system? This program is going to cost them
thousands of dollars a year running their DRM servers and eventually when the company goes out of business or merges with another company, then what happens to those servers? Will I still be able to play my game? If not then did I just pay for a really long rental?
Maybe if you look at it that way you will see not everyone is too happy about not getting to truly own what they [B][U]PAID[/U][/B] for.[/QUOTE]
But it isn't the fault of those of us with ISPs that aren't complete shit that you have a shitty isp your argument is sort of like saying games shouldn't get prettier because some people have shitty computers. It isn't the developer's fault that some people can't play the game. Shit, do you get mad at the dude who sells you the game when you can't run it? It's not like he can know every person's hardware setup instantly. Shit, nearly everyone I know in person has pretty much no internet issues barring that one dude I know who has AT&T as an ISP. Anyway, you guys already said it, "It'll be cracked eventually." When the DRM servers go down I can just crack it and play it normally.
Also you're still getting exactly what you paid for. You paid for the game, you got it. You only paid for the license anyway, like always. No different from any other game.
[QUOTE=MutantBadger;20945759]tbh 133753P34K, you stopped making much sense back in the RUSE drm thread. Now your just restating and denying everything. No one, I repeat, No one person in the world has perfect internet. And it really sounds like you are protecting this thing simply because others are defending it, it almost seems like you have no opinion at all and your just protecting it for the sake of arguing over and over again.[/QUOTE]
It's DRM that still hasn't been cracked (Barring silent hunter) that works assuming your ISP isn't terrible. What's not to like? I have an ISP that isn't terrible and I've [B]actually used it unlike you guys except that one dude who's ISP is complete shit.[/B] Someone who has a pretty mediocre ISP could try it and would probably have an experience similar to mine.
[QUOTE=ADT;20945509]tdlr; "My Internet connection is perfect, not yours."
I despise this kind of comment. Even the rich guy can have the worst connection possible. I am in the center of the city, and connected on Network LAN and it happens to have some problems with Internet, especially when the box is on maintenace or when each member of my family is using Internet.
It seems the DRM defenders are incredibely selfish, because they don't want to understand the differents flaws of this system on many people, and insulting people when they are on serious lack of arguments.[/QUOTE]
You're the one who insisted I was trolling because I don't see the issue with it. I'm sorry that I live in an area where I can actually get an ISP that isn't terrible. I'm sorry that I've [B]actually used the DRM and only had a positive experience so far.[/B] If it does become bad, I'll be glad to speak out against it. At the moment it's fine though so I really take no issue.
I HAVE tried it and I am thoroughly not amused by this DRM of theirs. The actual ISP problems only started recently.
Did the ISP problems start in the last two weeks? Unless it did the problem is from before AC2's release so your ISP problem and issue with the game are directly related
I believe it started in the last week, week and a half tops.
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i pre-ordered the game.
Then you actually have a reason to complain having tried it with both a working ISP and a not working one.
As I said before, I'll admit it isn't perfect but it still isn't devilspawn. Not saying it's the bee's knees either. You're actually the first person I know of who's actually used it and had a bad experience so far. As time goes on they'll either find some way to improve it (How about a 60 second wait time before forcing you back to a checkpoint or menu, don't interrupt gameplay but put a timer at the top of the screen?)
In all reality what people who dislike it should be doing is stating ideas on how to improve it as opposed to just going "REMOVE IT, REMOVE IT!" because from their point of view it probably sounds like "I'M TRYING TO PIRATE IT, MAKE MY LIFE EASIER!"
But like I have been saying, there [b]MUST HAVE[/b] been a better way. This is not only inconvenient for the player, but soon enough it will become inconvenient for them.
[QUOTE=133753P34K;20899216]Isn't there still no properly working crack? That's what I've been hearing.
Anyway who cares since ruse is about about online play?
blah blah blah it's the principle of the matter yeah that's what you're gonna say
You're not being treated like a criminal, this is not in any way Orwellian. Blizzard's Warden anti hacking shit is far more Orwellian anyway and nobody bitches.
[B]This is why I stopped caring if PC gaming dies.[/B] PC gamers are whiney fucks in general, you guys say no drm is the best drm? three words for you buds.
WORLD OF GOO.[/QUOTE]
Good to know.
You know, World of Goo did show high pirate numbers... it also showed a great number of sales, even before the "PAY WHATEVER" sale. It would be prudent to examine the possibility that many pirates bought the game. Also, many pirates would have given first-hand reviews on the game and word of mouth is better marketing than anything. One thing they didn't mention when they said "90% of all uploaders were pirates" was whether the pirates really got anywhere in the game. It is likely that pirates would play it a bit, like it, and buy it. Much like I did, I might add. I also did the same with Mount & Blade and Mass Effect, among others.
Also, I have to add... Ubisoft customers ARE being treated like criminals. This DRM forces you to be connected to their servers to play the game. It's like having to check in with your parole officer, only you can't leave.
[QUOTE=133753P34K;20941703]well it looks like you didn't learn anything from the education we all paid for, payed is a different word referring to ropes.[/QUOTE]
Now aren't you edgy and cool, being a grammar nazi. Nobody cares. Please refrain from pointing this out again (except if purely in the context to help someone's understanding of the english language).
[QUOTE=133753P34K;20946568]In all reality what people who dislike it should be doing is stating ideas on how to improve it as opposed to just going "REMOVE IT, REMOVE IT!" because from their point of view it probably sounds like "I'M TRYING TO PIRATE IT, MAKE MY LIFE EASIER!"[/QUOTE]
Requiring a constant connection to the internet for a multiplayer game is bad enough (bye bye LAN parties). Requiring a constant connection for singleplayer games is simply retarded. I don't see any other solution... remove it. I don't want to feel like I am chained to Ubisoft.
Best argument against it though is simply this: if Ubisoft goes under, your games are no longer playable. Enjoy your coaster.
[QUOTE=133753P34K;20945770]*words*[/QUOTE]
I'm going to put it simply, and perhaps you will be able to understand why people don't like it:
Which sounds better: something that [b]will[/b] work (i.e. something not required to be connected all the time) or something that [b]should[/b] work (i.e. something required to be connected all the time)?
And remember that the only reason that is in place is for the benefit of the company.
[QUOTE=Glent;20944194]I don't know anyone who actually owns AC2, has a consistent internet connection as stated to be required on the box, and dislikes the DRM.
Most of the people crying about this new DRM seem to be people who never bought the game.[/QUOTE]
Why the hell do you think we never bought the game?
[QUOTE=133753P34K;20945770]But it isn't the fault of those of us with ISPs that aren't complete shit that you have a shitty isp your argument is sort of like saying games shouldn't get prettier because some people have shitty computers. It isn't the developer's fault that some people can't play the game. Shit, do you get mad at the dude who sells you the game when you can't run it? It's not like he can know every person's hardware setup instantly. Shit, nearly everyone I know in person has pretty much no internet issues barring that one dude I know who has AT&T as an ISP. Anyway, you guys already said it, "It'll be cracked eventually." When the DRM servers go down I can just crack it and play it normally. [/QUOTE]
Lets say they release a game with that DRM only in Europe and USA. If you don't live in one of these places you won't play this game.
Who's fault is it that you can't play the game? Yours that you live in Africa or theirs because they have released product only for certain people?
(no I'm not saying that DRM works only in Europe and USA)
Releasing games which require better hardware is [b]normal[/b]. Singleplayer which requires constant, stable internet connection is [b]not normal[/b].
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That's because the pirated product DOESN'T FUCKING WORK. Okay?
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Way to ignore this line under the image.
"Many people will choose to wait for a steady pirated version because it will not be limited by stupid conditions."
Do you read the posts you are replying to?
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hey guys i'll whine about something i never had any experience with[/QUOTE]
Hey guys I have never drank cyanide. I have to drink it before I can state my opinion about it's healthiness.
[QUOTE=133753P34K;20900569]who the fuck buys an RTS for single player?
also you're acting like DRM makes the game bad. The game itself is the game, leave the DRM out of your judging.
[editline]08:27PM[/editline]
not their fault you can't afford a stable connection
it's only nothing because facepunchers literally would pay to gobble gabe's balls. steam is shit too.
of course they wouldn't, valve makes the best games after all :rolleyes:
Blizzard > Valve and even they have some sort of drm (in the form of lawyers who demand private servers to be shut down)[/QUOTE]
*cough* WoW Fag *cough*
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I'm getting tired of having to go over everything several times...
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20951846]No shit, and it's working.
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So that DDOS attack never took place? Also, can you give me your personal guarantee that it, or something similar, won't happen again in the future? I thought not.
And, again, - and I am getting so very bored of repeating this - what about people who don't always have access to the internet? I love playing games, including RTS's, offline just as much as I do playing them online. In the case of RUSE, aside from there singleplayer campaign, the player can practice the AI and use this as an opportunity to practice tactics for multiplayer. I wouldn't be able to play either the campaign or skirmishes without the internet, which sounds plain ridiculous.
No, neither of those two issues are the fault of Ubisoft, but that isn't the point. The point is that Ubisoft are forcing us to use a system that doesn't work 100% of the time - and we have already seen that it doesn't. It is here that they are at fault.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20951846]You could whine about them making us pay for their games. "It's just for their benefit!"[/QUOTE]
That's a crap comparison, mainly because you get something back in return for paying for the game. What do we get back for putting up with their DRM that may or may not work?
They aren't guaranteed to stay up either i gues...
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20955455]It did take place. It was not Ubisoft's fault. I recieved an apology e-mail saying they were working on making sure it doesn't happen again. I think that's guarantee enough.[/QUOTE]
Oh that's ok then. I am completely reassured now that Ubisoft have said it won't happen again.
They are a business. Think about it. They are hardly going to send an email saying:
"We are sorry that our servers went down and you were unable to play our game(s). We apologise for this inconvenience, but unfortunately we cannot assure you that it won't happen again. We still hope you will purchase our games anyway, even though we can't guarantee them to work all the time."
Just because someone has guaranteed something doesn't mean they will stick to it. See the Munich Agreement.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20955455]Can you give me your personal guarantee that your internet won't cut out for some reason? I thought not.[/QUOTE]
Er, I can't. I don't even see the point you are try to make because, if anything, you are reinforcing my point about this being a good reason why the DRM system is a bad idea. If my internet isn't guaranteed to work 100% of the time then obviously I am not going to be happy about the idea of a system that requires me to be connected 100% of the time.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20955455]Don't make me repeat what leetsepeak said about you not being entitled to play the game.[/QUOTE]
I'm assuming that you are on about the fact that the game stipulates that an internet connection is required in order to play the game? Yes, if you buy a game without taking that into account then you have no right to complain. But that isn't the point here. There were lots of people who were looking forward to RUSE, including myself, and now they won't be buying it because of the DRM. The whole purpose of the thread was for people to vent some frustration and disappointment at that fact - or it was up until a point when certain people arrived and started trying to tell us what we are and what we are not allowed to get annoyed at.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20955455]They're not forcing you to use it. They're not implementing it into already released games. You're not forced to buy the game.[/QUOTE]
I know that. So does everyone else. That doesn't mean we aren't allowed to expressive negative feelings. My example about the turd on the cake works quite well here: the cake is still perfectly edible, but the fact it has a turd on top puts people off it. The fact that it happened to be a very nice cake which the customer was going to buy is very frustrating and it will take a long time before he or she can find another cake of similar quality that doesn't have crap on it. Then another customer comes along and berates the other customer for not buying the cake just because it has a bit of shit on it.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20955455]DLC.[/QUOTE]
Which you have to pay for.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20955455]So?[/QUOTE]
So it's their fault that I can't play singleplayer if I don't have stable internet. They are realeasing this game only for certain group of people. It's their fault that others won't be able to play it. Refer to the example you qouted.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20955455]
I honestly don't think it's going to be cracked, at least not any time soon.
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Well no shit dude, to me you are not doing much thinking in general.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20955455]
Cyanide is guaranteed to kill you.
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HOW CAN YOU KNOW YOU NEVER DRANK IT!!!!
But on serious note, we know what happens to those who drank cyanide because it has been documented. Now this DRM is new so what if cyanide was new too and you only knew how it works in theory? Would you drink it to try for yourself? Or you wouldn't risk it?
I have general idea how this DRM works and I don't have to experience it to know what to expect.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20955455]
Ubisoft's DRM servers are not guaranteed to go down.
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Oooh ok... stab yourself in the neck then, you are not guaranteed to hit artery.
[QUOTE=Silly;20955851]So it's their fault that I can't play singleplayer if I don't have stable internet. They are realeasing this game only for certain group of people. It's their fault that others won't be able to play it. Refer to the example you qouted.
Well no shit dude, to me you are not doing much thinking in general.
HOW CAN YOU KNOW YOU NEVER DRANK IT!!!!
But on serious note, we know what happens to those who drank cyanide because it has been documented. Now this DRM is new so what if cyanide was new too and you only knew how it works in theory? Would you drink it to try for yourself? Or you wouldn't risk it?
I have general idea how this DRM works and I don't have to experience it to know what to expect.
Oooh ok... stab yourself in the neck then, you are not guaranteed to hit artery.[/QUOTE]
Cyanide was developed to kill people, DRM wasn't developed to make your game explode and delete system32.
Stabbing yourself in the neck and missing te artery is not going to help prevent people from stealing your wallet.
[QUOTE=Glent;20955948]Cyanide was developed to kill people, DRM wasn't developed to make your game explode and delete system32.
Stabbing yourself in the neck and missing te artery is not going to help prevent people from stealing your wallet.[/QUOTE]
Not relevant to anything. Your reading literacy has reached 0. Time to go back to school.
Replace cyanide with "an unknown substance, but we have a general idea what it does to an organism".
Also if something is not guaranteed to break it doesn't mean it will not.
[QUOTE=Silly;20956027]Not relevant to anything. Your reading literacy has reached 0. Time to go back to school.
Replace cyanide with "an unknown substance, but we have a general idea what it does to an organism".
Also if something is not guaranteed to break it doesn't mean it will not.[/QUOTE]
DRM isn't some unknown file created by a random virus. It was created for a purpose. Copy protection.
[quote] UBISOFT MAY CANCEL ACCESS TO ONLINE FEATURES UPON A 30-DAY PRIOR NOTICE PUBLISHED AT [url]http://ruse.us.ubi.com/[/url][/quote]
So basically once they want to pull the plug on the game they won't even bother patching it to removing the DRM, you'll just be left with a dead game you can't use.
Paying full price for a game that you rent sure sounds nice.
[QUOTE=Cyborgmatt;20956352]So basically once they want to pull the plug on the game they won't even bother patching it to removing the DRM, you'll just be left with a dead game you can't use.
Paying full price for a game that you rent sure sounds nice.[/QUOTE]
UBISOFT MAY CANCEL ACCESS TO [B]ONLINE FEATURES[/B] UPON A 30-DAY PRIOR NOTICE PUBLISHED AT [URL="http://ruse.us.ubi.com/"]http://ruse.us.ubi.com[/URL]/
[QUOTE=Glent;20956407]UBISOFT MAY CANCEL ACCESS TO [B]ONLINE FEATURES[/B] UPON A 30-DAY PRIOR NOTICE PUBLISHED AT [URL="http://ruse.us.ubi.com/"]http://ruse.us.ubi.com[/URL]/[/QUOTE]
But considering the game requires an internet connection and therefore can be considered an 'online feature' itself, that can include the whole game.
jesus what is it with you idiots reporting and rating posts dumb that you don't agree with, just because you don't like what they said doesn't mean it's flaming/trolling/dumb
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