[QUOTE=lockdown6;20956144]
Cyanide will always kill you. The DRM will SOMETIMES prevent you from playing.
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[QUOTE=Glent;20956049]DRM isn't some unknown file created by a random virus. It was created for a purpose. Copy protection.[/QUOTE]
Completely missing the point, as I said reading literacy at 0.
The whole point of these analogies was to show that you don't have to experience something to know what to expect if you know how it works.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20956144]
It IS quite relevant.
[/QUOTE]
No it's not he answered to something he misinterpreted.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20956144]
Not really a good argument, since ANYTHING could break at any time.[/QUOTE]
Exactly now I will have to go back to my latest save in singleplayer or even not be albe to play at all not only if my power goes down but also if my internet goes down.
[editline]09:10PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jimbomcb;20957357]jesus what is it with you idiots reporting and rating posts dumb that you don't agree with, just because you don't like what they said doesn't mean it's flaming/trolling/dumb[/QUOTE]
I didn't know that post which are rated dumb get mods attention.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;20957515]Completely missing the point, as I said reading literacy at 0.
The whole point of these analogies was to show that you don't have to experience something to know what to expect if you know how it works.
[B]Good thing it works then.[/B]
No it's not he answered to something he misinterpreted.
[B]I didn't misinterpret anything. Perhaps you incorrectly phrased it?[/B]
Exactly now I will have to go back to my latest save in singleplayer or even not be albe to play at all not only if my power goes down but also if my internet goes down.
[B]Don't buy the game if you don't meet the requirements. This is true for any game.[/B]
[editline]09:10PM[/editline]
I didn't know that post which are rated dumb get mods attention.[/QUOTE]
Bold.
Am I the only person that believes adding a DRM to your games that makes hacked versions of those games easier to play than legit versions is a very, very, very bad idea?
Everything gets hacked eventually. Pissing in your customers faces is just going to inspire hackers to hack a game faster. In the end, you could blame pirates for customer-raping DRM, but that's like getting raped in a backalley, and then blaming the system, rather than Big Al forcing his nine inch uncut cock up your rectum.
[QUOTE=V12US;20957810]Am I the only person that believes adding a DRM to your games that makes hacked versions of those games easier to play than legit versions is a very, very, very bad idea?
Everything gets hacked eventually. Pissing in your customers faces is just going to inspire hackers to hack a game faster. In the end, you could blame pirates for customer-raping DRM, but that's like getting raped in a backalley, and then blaming the system, rather than Big Al forcing his nine inch uncut cock up your rectum.[/QUOTE]
While everything gets hacked eventually what matters is that it delays it. This has successfully delayed the cracking of AC2 at little to no detriment to [B]most[/B] users. They even gave people who picked up AC2 a free game.
Anyway the way I see it, if you don't like the DRM that's no reason not to play the game. Just buy it and crack it if it really bothers you so much, it's not going to instantly make the game itself terrible.
As you guys said, everything is cracked eventually. There's no reason to fear the day the servers go down. You can just crack it.
[QUOTE=Evil Policeman;20951993]*cough* WoW Fag *cough*[/QUOTE]
Oh god someone plays an mmo casually :gonk:
[QUOTE=V12US;20957810]Am I the only person that believes adding a DRM to your games that makes hacked versions of those games easier to play than legit versions is a very, very, very bad idea?
Everything gets hacked eventually. Pissing in your customers faces is just going to inspire hackers to hack a game faster. In the end, you could blame pirates for customer-raping DRM, but that's like getting raped in a backalley, and then blaming the system, rather than Big Al forcing his nine inch uncut cock up your rectum.[/QUOTE]
Everyone has to blame someone sadly.
[QUOTE=133753P34K;20959490]Anyway the way I see it, if you don't like the DRM that's no reason not to play the game. Just buy it and crack it if it really bothers you so much, it's not going to instantly make the game itself terrible.
As you guys said, everything is cracked eventually. There's no reason to fear the day the servers go down. You can just crack it.[/QUOTE]
And so the system which is meant to combat piracy ultimately encourages piracy...
[QUOTE=David29;20961999]And so the system which is meant to combat piracy ultimately encourages piracy...[/QUOTE]
You still paid for your license, and while downloading the crack may be in the legal gray area it's not like you're only pirating the game like some asshat.
In the long run these servers wont be worth it for them. As they release more and more games, more and more servers will be required up to the point where it will no longer be possible.
[editline]05:15PM[/editline]
And just imagine the bills on those things!
[QUOTE=133753P34K;20962106]You still paid for your license, and while downloading the crack may be in the legal gray area it's not like you're only pirating the game like some asshat.[/QUOTE]
It's not in the legal gray area, it IS illegal.
i hope this drm overtakes this industry so all of you can get upset over something so trivial
[QUOTE=David29;20947643]I'm going to put it simply, and perhaps you will be able to understand why people don't like it:
Which sounds better: something that [B]will[/B] work (i.e. something required to be connected all the time) or something that [B]should[/B] work (i.e. something required to be connected all the time)?
And remember that the only reason that is in place is for the benefit of the company.[/QUOTE]
This post is amazing and should be forever immortalized.
[QUOTE=133753P34K;20962106]You still paid for your license, and while downloading the crack may be in the legal gray area it's not like you're only pirating the game like some asshat.[/QUOTE]
There is nothing gray about it: cracking copy protection is illegal in most countries. Very illegal. In fact, you can get several years in prison and a fine of up to $250,000 in the USA. Here in Canada it's perfectly legal, but that may be temporary.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20969892]I got 3 DLC missions for AC2, no free game :saddowns:
[/QUOTE]
"Ubisoft has sent an email to all owners of Assassin's Creed 2 and Silent Hunter 5 providing compensation for earlier outages of their DRM servers caused by DDOS attacks. [B]Depending on the edition you purchased, [/B]the compensation ranges from free additional content to a free game such as HAWX or Prince of Persia.
"
I don't get it, you people are weird. Am supporting anti-piracy just not the one which hits legit customers.
YOU might be fine because YOU have good internet and YOU only play games at home. Not everyone has stable internet / play only at home. Those who don't will not be able to play these games. And I am talking about singleplayer and other fights against AI. Those features don't require internet connection. DRM does. See where I'm getting here? Legit customers will be limited by DRM whereas those who pirated the game will play it freely. (when it gets cracked)
And don't tell me to "buy and crack it", there wouldn't be a crack available if there was no piracy, and besides, why on earth would I have to illegally modify a game I have bought to be able to play it.
Restriction which comes with this DRM is bullshit. I am not going to buy any game with this DRM. I am now only saying what I think about it. It is my right to do so as a potential customer.
It would take a lot of people to sway off this DRM.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20970595]Same goes for system requirements. I don't see people whining about that.
[/QUOTE]
Like I said before, making games that require better and better system requirements is normal. Singleplayer which requires constant and stable internet conection is not. It's THEIR idea and it's THEIR fault if someone who doesn't have stable connection can't play the game.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20970595]
So? Ubisoft wants that, they'll have it.
[/QUOTE]
So what, customers have to put up with whatever shit the sellers adds to their products and has no right to criticize it? That's bullshit, horrible reasoning. It's the seller who should care about the customer not the other way around.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20970595]
I haven't ever been limited by the DRM except when those twats DDOS'd Ubisoft's DRM servers.
[/QUOTE]
"DRM works for me. I don't give a fuck about others. If it works for me it means it's good and noone should complain."
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20969892]this guy agrees with me I should suck his dick[/QUOTE]
God forbid someone should make a good point and another person agrees with him.
You're no better than the type of person who tries to prove a person by criticising the other person over a spelling mistake - ignore the point and just make a childish comment.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20969892]as if anyone will actually catch you or care[/QUOTE]
Well apparently Ubisoft care, hence why they are even implementing this DRM in the first place.
[QUOTE=Silly;20971561]Like I said before, making games that require better and better system requirements is normal. Singleplayer which requires constant and stable internet conection is not. It's THEIR idea and it's THEIR fault if someone who doesn't have stable connection can't play the game.
[B]You don't meet the system requirements. Don't buy the game. How many times must this be said?[/B]
So what, customers have to put up with whatever shit the sellers adds to their products and has no right to criticize it? That's bullshit, horrible reasoning. It's the seller who should care about the customer not the other way around.
[B]The publisher and developer should care about profits first and foremost, or else they will not be successful.[/B]
"DRM works for me. I don't give a fuck about others. If it works for me it means it's good and noone should complain."
[B]"I've never tried the game, either because I am on a bandwagon, do not meet the system requirements, or am a pirate. I'll criticise the DRM because it works at the cost of increasing system specs."[/B][/QUOTE]
bold
[QUOTE=Glent;20974463]Like I said before, making games that require better and better system requirements is normal. Singleplayer which requires constant and stable internet conection is not. It's THEIR idea and it's THEIR fault if someone who doesn't have stable connection can't play the game.
[B]You don't meet the system requirements. Don't buy the game. How many times must this be said?[/B][/QUOTE]
And how many times must it be said that that is completely irrelevant? It isn't about meeting system requirements - it's about the fact that a game lots of people have been looking forward to has been needlessly ruined.
Imagine if Valve said "Episode 3 will require you to have three monitors and you can't play it without that". How would you feel? I imagine you would be pissed off - I know I would be. This is no different. A DRM system is being implemented which people either don't want to use or wont be able to use. As a result, they are losing out on a good game and they are angry.
Also, read through the thread. Go count how many people have said they [b]wont[/b] be buying the game now because of the DRM. You keep on harping on saying "don't buy the game if you don't like the DRM", yet you seem to be completely missing the fact that [b]that is exactly what we have said we intend to do.[/b]
[QUOTE=Glent;20974463]So what, customers have to put up with whatever shit the sellers adds to their products and has no right to criticize it? That's bullshit, horrible reasoning. It's the seller who should care about the customer not the other way around.
[B]The publisher and developer should care about profits first and foremost, or else they will not be successful.[/B][/QUOTE]
Yeah, so it makes perfect sense to drive customers away with something that is clearly unpopular.
[QUOTE=Glent;20974463]"DRM works for me. I don't give a fuck about others. If it works for me it means it's good and noone should complain."
[B]"I've never tried the game, either because I am on a bandwagon, do not meet the system requirements, or am a pirate. I'll criticise the DRM because it works at the cost of increasing system specs."[/B][/QUOTE]
Oh, nice. So anyone that simply has an opinion on something you disagree with is simply jumping on the bandwagon. It couldn't [i]possibly[/i] have anything to do with the fact that a lot of people might be in agreement on something?
The whole system spec. argument is poor at best. You're trying to justify the DRM with basically:
"The game requires a connection in order to play it. If you don't have a connection, don't play it."
But that is completely missing the point. The reason why we are getting annoyed (or at least I am) is because we are (I am) asking:
"Why is a game which has singleplayer elements requiring the player to be online? Isn't this killing the whole point of singleplayer mode?*"
and
"Why should we, the customer, purchase a game if neither the dveloper/publisher or the player can guarantee 100% connectivity?"
and
"What is so special about the DRM that makes it worth all the hassle it causes?"
*Ironic considering gaming started off as singleplayer exclusive, with multiplayer as an optional addition. Now it seems to be moving more in the other direction.
[QUOTE=Glent;20974463]
You don't meet the system requirements. [/QUOTE]
Constant, stable connection to internet to play singleplayer is an artificial requirement.
[QUOTE=Glent;20974463]Don't buy the game. How many times must this be said?
[/QUOTE]
How many times I have to say that I will not buy it?
How many times I have to repeat that it is my right as a potential customer to criticize the product?
[QUOTE=Glent;20974463]
The publisher and developer should care about profits first and foremost, or else they will not be successful.
[/QUOTE]
You don't know what you are talking about.
The seller in order to have profit has to come up with a product that meets customer needs. A product which people will buy and which will gain people's favor. If he won't care about customers he won't have any.
[QUOTE=Glent;20974463]
"I've never tried the game, either because I am on a bandwagon, do not meet the system requirements, or am a pirate. I'll criticise the DRM because it works at the cost of increasing system specs."[/QUOTE]
Why are you ignoring everything I've said earlier? I am supporting antipiracy. I am not supporting this DRM because it works [B]at the cost of legit customers.[/B] And don't jump on me with that bandwagon shit.
[QUOTE=Silly Sil;20975575]Constant, stable connection to internet to play singleplayer is an artificial requirement.
[B]It's a requirement nontheless.[/B]
How many times I have to say that I will not buy it? [B]Fair enough.[/B]
How many times I have to repeat that it is my right as a potential customer to criticize the product?
[B]All criticism you have is theoretical, since you have no experience with the product.[/B]
You don't know what you are talking about.
The seller in order to have profit has to come up with a product that meets customer needs. A product which people will buy and which will gain people's favor. If he won't care about customers he won't have any.
[B]They have profitted, they have prevented thus far people pirating the game, and they have still produced a good game. They have also compensated for the down time which was out of their hands.[/B]
Why are you ignoring everything I've said earlier? I am supporting antipiracy. I am not supporting this DRM because it works [B]at the cost of legit customers.[/B] And don't jump on me with that bandwagon shit.
[B]It may not be a perfect system but as long as it works I can't see any problem with it, apart from the fact that the requirements become stricter.[/B][/QUOTE]
guess
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[QUOTE=David29;20975453]And how many times must it be said that that is completely irrelevant? It isn't about meeting system requirements - it's about the fact that a game lots of people have been looking forward to has been needlessly ruined.
Imagine if Valve said "Episode 3 will require you to have three monitors and you can't play it without that". How would you feel? I imagine you would be pissed off - I know I would be. This is no different. A DRM system is being implemented which people either don't want to use or wont be able to use. As a result, they are losing out on a good game and they are angry.
[B]I wouldn't care, I'd just play another game. I guess if people get hyped over something only to find out they can't meet the requirements to play it they will be upset, but it's not something I can personally comment on.[/B]
Also, read through the thread. Go count how many people have said they [B]wont[/B] be buying the game now because of the DRM. You keep on harping on saying "don't buy the game if you don't like the DRM", yet you seem to be completely missing the fact that [B]that is exactly what we have said we intend to do.[/B]
[B]Good. Why complain about a game you have no intention of playing?[/B]
Yeah, so it makes perfect sense to drive customers away with something that is clearly unpopular.
[B]It has also prevented piracy so far, the game works.[/B]
Oh, nice. So anyone that simply has an opinion on something you disagree with is simply jumping on the bandwagon. It couldn't [I]possibly[/I] have anything to do with the fact that a lot of people might be in agreement on something?
[B]No experience with the product.[/B]
The whole system spec. argument is poor at best. You're trying to justify the DRM with basically:
"The game requires a connection in order to play it. If you don't have a connection, don't play it."
But that is completely missing the point. The reason why we are getting annoyed (or at least I am) is because we are (I am) asking:
"Why is a game which has singleplayer elements requiring the player to be online? Isn't this killing the whole point of singleplayer mode?*"
[B]The point of singleplayer is to not play against players but AI, and also with the possibility of better storytelling. Buy another game if you can't be connected consistently.[/B]
and
"Why should we, the customer, purchase a game if neither the dveloper/publisher or the player can guarantee 100% connectivity?"
[B]It was out of their hands, and they compensated for it.[/B]
and
"What is so special about the DRM that makes it worth all the hassle it causes?"
[B]It (so far) has prevented illegal copies of the game, which is good for the company.[/B]
*Ironic considering gaming started off as singleplayer exclusive, with multiplayer as an optional addition. Now it seems to be moving more in the other direction.[/QUOTE]
I can't believe people actually support the current state of DRM.
It punishes those who don't pirate, and legitimises those who do.
[QUOTE=Cloak Raider;20975737]I can't believe people actually support the current state of DRM.
It punishes those who don't pirate, and legitimises those who do.[/QUOTE]
It hasn't legitimised those who do pirate so far since noone has pirated it fully yet. You'll probably be right once it's cracked, but the fact that it's taken so long to crack shows it to be working so far.
[QUOTE=133753P34K;20899216]
WORLD OF GOO.[/QUOTE]
they made an absolutely colossal amount of money with their deal and is currently one of the highest rated indie games ever made.
good example
[editline]05:55PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=Glent;20975744]It hasn't legitimised those who do pirate so far since noone has pirated it fully yet. You'll probably be right once it's cracked, but the fact that it's taken so long to crack shows it to be working so far.[/QUOTE]
I'm talking about DRM in the broad sense.
Problem is, the pirates they may have delayed from pirating it now, just haven't bought it, and quite a few people who would have bought it, haven't.
[editline]05:57PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=KmartSqrl;20899813]ITT: OH NO QQ a game that is based around multiplayer is requiring me to be connected to the internet to play!!!! WAAAaaaaaaAAaaaAaaAhHhH![/QUOTE]
hurr hurr what's a wireless, guise who has internet problems lol it's 2010 get better net hurrf
[editline]05:59PM[/editline]
[QUOTE=133753P34K;20900569]who the fuck buys an RTS for single player?
also you're acting like DRM makes the game bad. The game itself is the game, leave the DRM out of your judging[/QUOTE]
DRM comes in the game, it comes in the box.
thus it is part of the game.
what a stupid argument.
also who buys an RTS for single player?
shit tons of people?
[QUOTE=Glent;20975668]And how many times must it be said that that is completely irrelevant? It isn't about meeting system requirements - it's about the fact that a game lots of people have been looking forward to has been needlessly ruined.
Imagine if Valve said "Episode 3 will require you to have three monitors and you can't play it without that". How would you feel? I imagine you would be pissed off - I know I would be. This is no different. A DRM system is being implemented which people either don't want to use or wont be able to use. As a result, they are losing out on a good game and they are angry.
[B]I wouldn't care, I'd just play another game. I guess if people get hyped over something only to find out they can't meet the requirements to play it they will be upset, but it's not something I can personally comment on.[/B][/QUOTE]
You wouldn't care? Even if you were really looking forward to it? I doubt that very much, but unfortunately I am not in a position to second-guess your reactions to such a situation. Still, if it was the case that you didn't care, you can't apply that to everyone else. Just because you are fine with it doesn't mean that everyone else will, and should, be.
[QUOTE=Glent;20975668]Also, read through the thread. Go count how many people have said they wont be buying the game now because of the DRM. You keep on harping on saying "don't buy the game if you don't like the DRM", yet you seem to be completely missing the fact that that is exactly what we have said we intend to do.
[B]Good. Why complain about a game you have no intention of playing?[/B][/QUOTE]
Freedom of expression. If everyone had always kept their emotions, thoughts and opinions to themselves then history would have turned out very differently. Besides, it smacks of double standards if we are not allowed to complain, yet you are allowed to complain about us complaining.
[QUOTE=Glent;20975668]Oh, nice. So anyone that simply has an opinion on something you disagree with is simply jumping on the bandwagon. It couldn't possibly have anything to do with the fact that a lot of people might be in agreement on something?
[B]No experience with the product.[/B][/QUOTE]
We have just as much experience with the product as you do, so that is a rather irrelevant point.
[QUOTE=Glent;20975668]The whole system spec. argument is poor at best. You're trying to justify the DRM with basically:
"The game requires a connection in order to play it. If you don't have a connection, don't play it."
But that is completely missing the point. The reason why we are getting annoyed (or at least I am) is because we are (I am) asking:
"Why is a game which has singleplayer elements requiring the player to be online? Isn't this killing the whole point of singleplayer mode?*"
[B]The point of singleplayer is to not play against players but AI, and also with the possibility of better storytelling. Buy another game if you can't be connected consistently.[/B][/QUOTE]
True in the sense that in terms of definition there is nothing that stipulates the singleplayer bust be offline. However, traditionally, singleplayer has always been an offline part of a game. For Ubisoft to come along and declare that all of their singleplayer games will be online based strikes me as being very obnoxious and inconsiderate of the customer - especially as it is only designed for the publishers benefit.
Of course, as a result, I won't be buying it. Instead, I will be buying another game. However, I am still entitled to say what I feel. You are too - you can say what you like - but that doesn't mean I have to agree with you (and vice versa).
[QUOTE=Glent;20975668]"Why should we, the customer, purchase a game if neither the dveloper/publisher or the player can guarantee 100% connectivity?"
[B]It was out of their hands, and they compensated for it.[/B][/QUOTE]
I can't see them compensating the customer every time it happens. And what about when the player cannot guarantee connectivity? I know that isn't Ubisofts problem, but I'm not going to buy the game if I cannot stay connected all the time and thus cannot play the game, all because of the stupid DRM.
[QUOTE=Glent;20975668]"What is so special about the DRM that makes it worth all the hassle it causes?"
[B]It (so far) has prevented illegal copies of the game, which is good for the company.[/B][/QUOTE]
I meant more in relation to other forms of DRM. Steam is much better. Piracy is, as far as I am aware, virtually nil and you can play games offline. It's win-win. What is stopping Ubisoft from developing something similar?
[QUOTE=David29;20976173]You wouldn't care? Even if you were really looking forward to it? I doubt that very much, but unfortunately I am not in a position to second-guess your reactions to such a situation. Still, if it was the case that you didn't care, you can't apply that to everyone else. Just because you are fine with it doesn't mean that everyone else will, and should, be.
[B]I don't anticipate games so much, I don't know about others.[/B]
Freedom of expression. If everyone had always kept their emotions, thoughts and opinions to themselves then history would have turned out very differently. Besides, it smacks of double standards if we are not allowed to complain, yet you are allowed to complain about us complaining.
[B]Fair enough, but it seems to me that the DRM is working and that people are complaining about it because of no reason. If I had a worse graphics card, I wouldn't want all game designers to make their games use worse graphics.[/B]
We have just as much experience with the product as you do, so that is a rather irrelevant point.
[B]Okay.[/B]
True in the sense that in terms of definition there is nothing that stipulates the singleplayer bust be offline. However, traditionally, singleplayer has always been an offline part of a game. For Ubisoft to come along and declare that all of their singleplayer games will be online based strikes me as being very obnoxious and inconsiderate of the customer - especially as it is only designed for the publishers benefit.
[B]You said you won't be buying it, so I don't think you have any reason to complain since it doesn't affect you. Of course you're allowed to complain but why bother?[/B]
Of course, as a result, I won't be buying it. Instead, I will be buying another game. However, I am still entitled to say what I feel. You are too - you can say what you like - but that doesn't mean I have to agree with you (and vice versa).
[B]Fair enough.[/B]
I can't see them compensating the customer every time it happens. And what about when the player cannot guarantee connectivity? I know that isn't Ubisofts problem, but I'm not going to buy the game if I cannot stay connected all the time and thus cannot play the game, all because of the stupid DRM.
[B]How can you predict that this will be a frequent occurance? As for when the player cannot gaurantee connectivity, like you said that is the fault of the player. If my internet only worked 6 days a week I would probably buy it because I can play 6 days of the week and play something else on the seventh day. I don't think the game lasts long enough to make it any serious problem, unless your internet disconnects frequently (A few times a day), in which case you should consider upgrading.[/B]
I meant more in relation to other forms of DRM. Steam is much better. Piracy is, as far as I am aware, virtually nil and you can play games offline. It's win-win. What is stopping Ubisoft from developing something similar?
[B]You're fooling yourself if you think there's no piracy in steam.[/B][/QUOTE]
This topic is becoming a debate sans fin.
Good job to DRM defenders (Except one, he will recognized himself) to create this debate and to use the same selfish arguments over and over again.
DRM works for some people, okay. But it doesn't mean the concept itself is good.
[QUOTE=lockdown6;20989304]eh looks like i lost the argument better call them selfish assholes, state my opinion as fact and walk away[/QUOTE]
You guys always make [i]Ad hominem[/i] arguments on people who thwart your judgement about this DRM. Except one person in this topic, who like this DRM well, he wasn't stupid to tell it always works and would be okay for everyone. You really should to take your opinions in a general way and not in [b]your[/b] way, which is completely selfish. I don't tell you must hate this system, but hell, you need to think a little more about it.
Like I said, it's cool if your game with this DRM works, and I'm really happy for you, but that doesn't mean it would be same with everyone. I assume that about 3/4 of players don't like this DRM.
lol at this debate about DRM
I don't know why I managed to be polite and explained at least the why of all of this. You are always beating around the bush and don't give a damn about everyone have said before.
And your interview is based of Ubi's point of view, which is normal for them to tell things which can arrange them. It's not 100% accurate.
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[QUOTE=lockdown6;20989643]
also, I like how you call me selfish, yet you want ubisoft not to protect their game because of your $2/month connection
and who DOESN'T have a consistent internet connection these days? if very few people did, games like TF2 or BF2 would be way less popular[/QUOTE]
Read the why in this topic. I'm now bored to explain you since you can't read correctly.
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