Fallout Series Thread V4 - Dear Old Friends, Remember Navarro - Games

[QUOTE=photon_man62;26189040]Enclave wasn't black on the black/white spectrum, they had their own goals and wanted them carried out by any means necessary. They belived they were doing good - purging the wasteland of radiation and mutations, among other things.[/QUOTE] They wanted to kill everyone who wasn't in a vault by making them drink fatally poisoned water. What a noble goal indeed. [QUOTE=photon_man62;26189040]And with Lyons' BoS, what's wrong with them? Are you implying there is no one in the world who is "good"? MUST it always be "gray", as you defined it? Can't it lean to the white at all?[/quote] Fallout has never, ever been about an organisation so pure and untainted by evil that they have the lord's fine graces wherever they go. There is literally NOTHING that could even be perceived as evil that they do. And honestly, what fun is there in a moral choice system with two clearly labelled paths. Yes, there's neutrality, but the ending slideshow segment for the middle path is one sentence. And if you wanted to play Broken Steel, you CAN'T take the middle path, which just makes you up and die.

[QUOTE=photon_man62;26189040] And with Lyons' BoS, what's wrong with them? Are you implying there is no one in the world who is "good"? MUST everything always be grimdark and gray? Can't it lean to the white at all? That's lack of realism, in my opinion - not everything is ultra-gray with a DARK past and doing EVIL things in secret. [/QUOTE] What? Elder Lyon's BOS didn't [B]lean[/B] to good, it was nothing but. NCR leans towards white. The Kings leans towards the white. East Coast BOS were clear-cut saints.

[QUOTE=Ray-The-Sun;26189264]They wanted to kill everyone who wasn't in a vault by making them drink fatally poisoned water. What a noble goal indeed.[/QUOTE] But they believed the human race has no future if it is "tainted" by radiation. They wanted to change the wastes into pre-war USA [b]no matter the cost[/b] and did [b]not want to take any risks[/b] (such as radiation having a negative impact on humanity in the long run). Noble? To them, yes. To you, maybe no. You say you miss "moral ambiguity", yet ignore it when it is present? Also, Lyons wasn't always a "messiah". Lyons, as commander of a BoS squad, burned down a city to the ground and blasted through it saving only children untouched by radiation, ignoring all others and leaving them to die without a second thought. He didn't give a fuck about the wastelanders until he realized that it also lies in his interest to neutralize the Super Mutants. Only then did he start seeing that "good is the true path - they need my help" and tried to act as noble as he could.

[QUOTE=photon_man62;26189612]Lyons, as commander of a BoS squad, burned down a city to the ground, blasted through it saving only children untouched by radiation, ignoring all others and leaving them to die without a second thought. He didn't give a fuck about the wastelanders until he realized that it also lies in his interest to neutralize the Super Mutants. Only then did he start being all-out good.[/QUOTE] That's one character. We're talking about East Coast BOS's ideals and methods as a whole.

The Enclave wants to purge the Capital Wasteland of mutated beings and restore order through old-fashioned presidency, and go about it by fucking up everyone's shit, that's not clear cut anything

[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;26189681]That's one character. We're talking about East Coast BOS's ideals and methods as a whole.[/QUOTE] What do we know about the other characters? There wasn't much backstory provided about them. They might have an evil past or something, but we will never know for sure. Most of the "pricks" left, they're those guys in red-painted armor. THEY are the closed-minded assholes fanboys keep bitching about. Just look at the interrogation room in their hidden base in Operation Anchorage - they tortured someone because that was useful to them. Lyons was, and is, the only leader the EC BoS ever had. Of course the East Coast BoS's ideals and methods are going to match his. There were few original BoS left after Lyons started playing Jesus - a lot of them abandoned him and kept on carrying out the Brotherhood's primary mission on their own (those guys in red-painted armor I mentioned earlier). Because of this, Lyons was forced to accept wastelanders as recruits - the wastelanders are fighting to defend their own homes (against the super mutants), of course they want to support Lyons.

[QUOTE=MasterG;26189772]To be honest, I think the Enclave have the right idea, they just go about it like total assclowns.[/QUOTE] The problem is that every single person that doesn't live in a vault would be killed. aka a total of 12 people or so would be left excluding the Enclave

[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;26189894]The problem is that every single person that doesn't live in a vault would be killed. aka a total of 12 people or so would be left excluding the Enclave[/QUOTE] [b]The end justifies the means.[/b] [i] NO radiation only educated people super mutant threat - annihilated mutated monsters? gone clean water better farming [/i] etc.

[QUOTE=photon_man62;26189996][b]The end justifies the means.[/b] [i] NO radiation only educated people super mutant threat - annihilated mutated monsters? gone clean water better farming [/i] etc.[/QUOTE] Good ideals, bad means, morally ambiguous Caesar's Legion is pretty much the EC Enclave (the "bad" guys), NCR EC BOS (the "good" guys) also The Pitt

[QUOTE=defyant;26188335]wow holy shit calm down [editline]21st November 2010[/editline] that sounds pretty awesome[/QUOTE] Maybe there'll be 13 tribes of wastelanders, and you are supposed to unite them under one banner, sort of like Caesar did.

[QUOTE=cccritical;26190073]Good ideals, bad means, morally ambiguous Caesar's Legion is pretty much the EC Enclave (the "bad" guys), NCR EC BOS (the "good" guys) also The Pitt[/QUOTE] The major moral choice in the Pitt was fucking hard to make :v:

And the Legion isn't even "bad". There methods are just harsh. But it works Edit: I think I kind of missed the point of everything in this thread

[QUOTE=I Broke The Sun!;26190308]The major moral choice in the Pitt was fucking hard to make :v:[/QUOTE] I went with [sp]the big pit boss guy whose name I can't remember[/sp], even though [sp]he pretty much made everyone slaves, in the very end the good guy was a huge dick and would pretty much murder the baby that could permanently cure all of them[/sp] it's like, have some fucking patience shit son

BEHOLD! [img]http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7140/fd88jk72.jpg[/img] my new melee character, Anthony B. Susan. I bet you can't tell what arm he masturbates with

Tell me; how many people would download a radio station that played only jazz? Rate agree if you'd download.

[QUOTE=FuckaNinja;26190585]BEHOLD! [img_thumb]http://img42.imageshack.us/img42/7140/fd88jk72.jpg[/img_thumb] my new melee character, Anthony B. Susan. I bet you can't tell what arm he masturbates with[/QUOTE] all 3

[QUOTE=redBadger;26190609]Tell me; how many people would download a radio station that played only jazz? Rate agree if you'd download.[/QUOTE] As long as it had Blue Train and Count Basie. [QUOTE]To be honest, I think the Enclave have the right idea, they just go about it like total assclowns.[/QUOTE] Pretty much this, I mean the Enclave's tactical plan is: 1. Pop into the wasteland out of nowhere. 2. Spread ourselves thinly throughout the wasteland setting up outposts with no purpose other than to exist 3. Instead of using our airpower, an advantage only we have that could potentially eradicate all other threats, just sort of randomly and sporadically send out vertibirds to bomb the same spots 4. Don't use the Space satellite nuke launcher on their massive base, just wait until they've destroyed your main base of operations and nearly wiped you out.

[QUOTE=MasterG;26189772]To be honest, I think the Enclave have the right idea, they just go about it like total assclowns.[/QUOTE]I don't think so; their vision of society is... as well as it works, it did inadvertently result in the Great War. The bureaucracy of their ruthless actions seems so unseemly in the Wasteland, too. [QUOTE=Scar;26190526]And the Legion isn't even "bad". There methods are just harsh.[/QUOTE]They are pretty bad. The justification of their actions rests on their successful establishment of a stable empire - something which even the Legion recognizes as unattainable. All their atrocities will have gone to waste in attempting to emulate an empire doomed by its hubris.

Someone gimmie a weather mod only seeing fucking Orange Day and Night is annoying me

We've got 7 songs so far for our Jazz radio.

I shat myself when Caesar mentioned Hegelian dialectics. :buddy:

[QUOTE=redBadger;26190993]We've got 7 songs so far for our Jazz radio.[/QUOTE] Are you making a new radio mod for New Vegas?

[QUOTE=Brain scorcher;26191178]Are you making a new radio mod for New Vegas?[/QUOTE] Yes. A jazz only radio mod. Please PM me any recommendations you may have, I'll be going to sleep soon and I have to work half the day tomorrow. [editline]20th November 2010[/editline] Try to refrain from vocals.

[QUOTE=redBadger;26191203]Yes. A jazz only radio mod. Please PM me any recommendations you may have, I'll be going to sleep soon and I have to work half the day tomorrow. [editline]20th November 2010[/editline] Try to refrain from too many vocals. [editline]20th November 2010[/editline] Try to refrain from vocals.[/QUOTE] I got one in my mind, pretty old, suits the post-apocalyptic life. Not Jazz though. But pretty old. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic[/url] Oh and, make sure you give me the download link when you finish the mod.

[QUOTE=RG4;26190989]Someone gimmie a weather mod only seeing fucking Orange Day and Night is annoying me[/QUOTE] Fellout or URWL if your computer sucks. Nevada Skies if you want rain, sandstorms, radstorms, sunny days, cloudy days etc. [url]http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35998[/url] Need a good computer for this, though. EDIT: Don't forget to post the jazz mod in this thread!

Just fought the Legendary Deathclaw. The[sp]Alien blaster[/sp] makes that fight so easy.

[QUOTE=photon_man62;26191282]Fellout or URWL if your computer sucks. Nevada Skies if you want rain, sandstorms, radstorms, sunny days, cloudy days etc. [url]http://www.newvegasnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=35998[/url] Need a good computer for this, though. EDIT: Don't forget to post the jazz mod in this thread![/QUOTE] I can't get the rain and shit to work, the weather changes, colors change, I get to open the terminal, but nothing happens. No rain, no sandstorm, no snow.

[IMG]http://i1080.photobucket.com/albums/j327/Duke_Bilgewater/Fallout%20New%20Vegas/Bigotryiscool.jpg[/IMG] um

[QUOTE=Kolmala;26191397]Just fought the Legendary Deathclaw. The[sp]Alien blaster[/sp] makes that fight so easy.[/QUOTE] Know those cells you used to fire that blaster? Gone forever. You'll never find any again.

[QUOTE=Brain scorcher;26191267]I got one in my mind, pretty old, suits the post-apocalyptic life. Not Jazz though. But pretty old. [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izQB2-Kmiic[/url] Oh and, make sure you give me the download link when you finish the mod.[/QUOTE] Holy shit I love this song Unfortunately it doesn't really fit in with the theme we're going for, I'd like to see this implemented somewhere else though.