[QUOTE=tommo400;34949409]Garrus isn't gay/bisexual, but for femshep he's fair game.[/QUOTE]
Well, off to cancel my pre-order
Fuck you bioware that's the last straw
[QUOTE=Sardonus;34949472]Well, off to cancel my pre-order
Fuck you bioware that's the last straw[/QUOTE]
I get what the problem is, but dont be too rash.
Move along, nothing to see here, just your run-of-the-mill troll, keep walking.
[QUOTE=Cone;34949354]You always seem to say this.[/QUOTE]
I say it because that was primary way people ignored the leaked script, nearly the entire FP:ME thread did this. Some admitted that they were doing it, others tried to act like [i]'Bioware said they fixed it, so the entire thing is different no need to worry'[/i] was a valid argument that used any amount of logic. I say this quite a bit because it was/is around quite a bit in this thread, ignoring evidence because you really want the game to be good is blind optimism.
[QUOTE=MajorMattem;34949506]I get what the problem is, but dont be too rash.[/QUOTE]
(I've put down too much money on an N7 Collectors Edition to back out now...
I'm teasing the people who are over-reacting to all this shit)
[QUOTE=shatteredwindow;34949543]Move along, nothing to see here, just your run-of-the-mill troll, keep walking.[/QUOTE]
who you calling a troll, son?
[QUOTE=DX_V;34949545]I say it because that was primary way people ignored the leaked script, nearly the entire FP:ME thread did this. Some admitted that they were doing it, others tried to act like [i]'Bioware said they fixed it, so the entire thing is different no need to worry'[/i] was a valid argument that used any amount of logic. I say this quite a bit because it was/is around quite a bit in this thread, ignoring evidence because you really want the game to be good is blind optimism.[/QUOTE]
But people weren't always doing that, were they? It seemed, from that point in time, Bioware would improve upon the script. We weren't certain it was the final version.
Besides, we've played the demo now, and we know for certain the MP aspect is really fun and the SP is, at the very least, competent.
the fans for this game are terrible, I mean seriously
check the recently made Assassins Creed 3 thread. it's peaceful discussion
I get why bioware all hates you dicks, because you can't go a metre without saying how this will suck just because of goddamn advertising, bioware never advertised right
I'll buy the game and enjoy it, regardless of how much you hate a game because there is a full 20 minutes of combined video game characters grinding with their pants on
fuck
[QUOTE=Cone;34949629]we know for certain the MP aspect is really fun[/QUOTE]
Opinions on the quality and playability of game modes has never been a determining factor in me accusing someone of being blindly optimistic.
Saying things like 'I'm sure Bioware will fix it", as you did in the above post, with no evidence other than faith in Bioware and the hope for a better product is what i'm talking about.
[QUOTE=tommo400;34949322]why does it have to be a squad member? Just so it feels like the romance is more meaningful or what? (genuine question)[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I suppose. I mean, it's not that having a non squad member for a romance is a problem, but not having a squad member for romance feels odd to me, especially in Mass Effect's fairly progressive future.
[QUOTE=DX_V;34949733]Opinions on the quality and playability of game modes has never been a determining factor in me accusing someone of being blindly optimistic.
Saying things like 'I'm sure Bioware will fix it", as you did in the above post, with no evidence other than faith in Bioware and the hope for a better product is what i'm talking about.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but we had no reason to believe they wouldn't. I figured they'd hear the outcry, change some of the lines slightly so they were less silly; maybe there wasn't enough development time left to do that. I don't know.
We were just being scrutinous of new information. Maybe it's blind optimism to think a company that hadn't failed us that much before wouldn't fail us again - for all we know, they haven't, the game could very well prove to be great. But, really, there was no evidence to suggest it wasn't just stuff they'd cut or other things they didn't put in the game. We were making no more baseless assumptions than you were with assuming the leak was the finished script.
In case anyone wasn't aware, most of the hate is related to the public face of the company and reciprocation of their shitty attitude rather than some objective indicator or quality. This is just the tone of the conversation.
I hope the textures on the PC in final version are higher quality than the demo. Or at least they release a High Res pack once the game launches just like for DA2. Right now, judging by the demo the textures seem shittier than ME2.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;34950001]In case anyone wasn't aware, most of the hate is related to the public face of the company and reciprocation of their shitty attitude rather than some objective indicator or quality. This is just the tone of the conversation.[/QUOTE]
public face? seriously? it's right to throw shit in the direction of bioware just because of the public FACE?
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must suck so bad, look at that bad advertising
[QUOTE=Cone;34949940]We were making no more baseless assumptions than you were with assuming the leak was the finished script.[/QUOTE]
I never assumed it was the finished product, i've stated this multiple times. I said that it wouldn't be much different than the final script and at the very least gave us an insight into how the game's development was progressing.
A leaked script that Bioware acknowledged was in fact a product from their studio, is reliable evidence. It's an intelligent way to look into the development and writing. Stating that the entire thing has changed or probably is old stuff with no other reason apart from 'it's Bioware so I trust them because they made great games' (assuming that EAware is the same Bioware of old is another issue that fed this blindly optimistic outlook), is denial. It's well formed denial, but it's still a way of disregarding any evidence that the game will be 'bad'.
[QUOTE=Egevened;34949727]because you can't go a metre without saying how this will suck just because of goddamn [b]advertising[/b], bioware never advertised right[/QUOTE]
You must be new.
[QUOTE=DX_V;34950103]I never assumed it was the finished product, i've stated this multiple times. I said that it wouldn't be much different than the final script and at the very least gave us an insight into how the game's development was progressing.
A leaked script that Bioware acknowledged was in fact a product from their studio, is reliable evidence. It's an intelligent way to look into the development and writing. Stating that the entire thing has changed or probably is old stuff with no other reason apart from 'it's Bioware so I trust them because they made great games' (assuming that EAware is the same Bioware of old is another issue that fed this blindly optimistic outlook), is denial. It's well formed denial, but it's still a way of disregarding any evidence that the game will be 'bad'.
You must be new.[/QUOTE]
what is your argument again
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;34948527]This is a joke, right? There's no actual "Steve the Shuttle Pilot"?
[editline]1st March 2012[/editline]
because if it isn't [B]what the fuck[/B][/QUOTE]
Both shuttle pilots are gay.
Me 1 one story had a couple of enh? moments, Me2 had three giant fuckups and three... three is LITERALLY Star Control II and Deus EX stapled together in horrorsex with no vaseline.
[QUOTE=Egevened;34950062]public face? seriously? it's right to throw shit in the direction of bioware just because of the public FACE?
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must suck so bad, look at that bad advertising[/QUOTE]
lol, no. The problem is that Bioware, after DA2 didn't go so well, have taken to denying flaws rather than taking criticism. Such a terrible attitude in the face of community scepticism is bound to bring further backlash. While the middle-ground is obvious, Bioware have removed it and forced most people into an us and them mentality, which means everyone who loves them unconditionally and those who criticise them to no end, the critical ones have a lot more ammunition.
[QUOTE=Devodiere;34950216]lol, no. The problem is that Bioware, after DA2 didn't go so well, have taken to denying flaws rather than taking criticism. Such a terrible attitude in the face of community scepticism is bound to bring further backlash. While the middle-ground is obvious, Bioware have removed it and forced most people into an us and them mentality, which means everyone who loves them unconditionally and those who criticise them to no end, the critical ones have a lot more ammunition.[/QUOTE]
no, bioware removed the middle ground because of the HEPLER EAT SHIT comments
[editline]2nd March 2012[/editline]
hardly would call that skepticism
[QUOTE=GetBent;34942124][sp]Jacob's loyalty mission in ME2 was just a test, now the crew of the Normandy must not make the same mistakes[/sp]
Also, Gay ShepLoo:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FB-Z_3QA7x4[/media][/QUOTE]
Can I just comment on how unbelievably awkward the dialogue is?
[QUOTE=Egevened;34950287]no, bioware removed the middle ground because of the HEPLER EAT SHIT comments
[editline]2nd March 2012[/editline]
hardly would call that skepticism[/QUOTE]
You really have not been following it. Let's just say it didn't start there, it started with DA2 and went downhill with TOR. They have more than earned the reputation.
[QUOTE=Cone;34949629]But people weren't always doing that, were they? It seemed, from that point in time, Bioware would improve upon the script. We weren't certain it was the final version.
Besides, we've played the demo now, and we know for certain the MP aspect is really fun and the SP is, at the very least, competent.[/QUOTE]
Yes we were. I said it like 80 million times. These were taken from the .TLKs, and you cannot just alter a story on the fly when audio video and model assets are [b]already finalized[/b]. Your opinion on how you [i]think[/i] games are made != how games are actually made.
Good gameplay does not make up for crap story and a crap ending. This is going to cost BW future sales and employees. Story is one of their defining and recognized hallmarks, and this one is colossal mess as well as being blatantly derivative.
Stop whining, cancel your preorders and don't play it then.
Stop spoiling it for the rest of us.
I forgot this thread exists only if you want to praise what Bioware has done with the series.
Managed to pre-order the standard edition with no hassle at the local gamestop, unfortunately they were out of N7 editions.
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;34950059]I hope the textures on the PC in final version are higher quality than the demo. Or at least they release a High Res pack once the game launches just like for DA2. Right now, judging by the demo the textures seem shittier than ME2.[/QUOTE]
Wasn't it mentioned that the demo used low res textures?
[QUOTE=Fables;34950317]Can I just comment on how unbelievably awkward the dialogue is?[/QUOTE]
haha oh wow so if that's the only one guess I'll be a female Shepard this time
How many hours left till Origin preload?
[QUOTE=Zet;34950653]Wasn't it mentioned that the demo used low res textures?[/QUOTE]
I haven't seen an official word on that, just heard rumors.
[QUOTE] "As Mass Effect 3 is the end of the planned trilogy, the developers are not constrained by the necessity of allowing the story to diverge, yet also continue into the next chapter. This will result in a story that diverges into wildly different conclusions based on the player's actions in the first two chapters."[/QUOTE]
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"If players achieved a love interest in both Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2, then both previous love interests will be vying for Shepard's attention in Mass Effect 3."
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In the same vein as Return of the Jedi, Mass Effect 3 will be a more "fun" and "lighthearted" experience says BioWare's Casey Hudson.[/QUOTE]
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[QUOTE] "BioWare has confirmed that Mass Effect 3's storyline may change in response to fan feedback. Following a mistakenly-released beta that led to leaked story files, co-founder Greg Zeschuk says that the development team is actively paying attention to fans' input.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]@CaseyDHudsonCasey Hudson
@Raving_Ranter I think we've got you covered on all counts, except maybe the Kromance.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] "We listen to our fans all of the time," Muzyka said. "We listen to them on the forums, their feedback from stories. We're reading it all. If we can get ideas out of it that will make the game better, sure. We're not adverse to taking feedback. That's part of our core values, is humility [Hi Stanley!]. Any time we get a good idea from fans... they're our audience. They keep us in business."[/QUOTE]
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"We have a really talented team of writers. We go through iteration after iteration, making it the best and most satisfying we can," he said.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] "It's going to make some people extremely happy. It's going to make some people angry. But that's part of it, right? To invoke the emotion putting some of these stories to bed will naturally bring up.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE] He added: "I honestly think the player base is going to be really happy with the way we've done it. You had a part in it. Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."[/QUOTE]
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Whether you're happy or angry at the ending, know this: it is an ending. BioWare will not do a "Lost" and leave fans with more questions than answers after finishing the game, Gamble promised.[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]"We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard and then be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…"[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]"Everything has been building to this. It's like the Superbowl. Who cares what happened in the regular season? Now's the one that matters." - BioWare Edmonton general manager Aaryn Flynn refering to ME3.[/QUOTE]
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"We’d like to stress that the leaked code is in a rough, unfinished state and was not meant for public release. The content is not final, and is not reflective of the quality of the finished, polished game due for release on March 6, 2012 (March 9 in Europe)."
"That information was found in test entries in our database which represent rough notes on mission summaries from early story drafts. These story outlines do not form the actual game script, and since most of these entries are from first-draft story documents, many of the elements will be different in the final game. These simplified entries also do not represent the actual dialog, non-linearity, or interactive choices in the actual game. In fact, the team is still hard at work writing and implementing final versions of storylines and dialog."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]We are not going to create a spoilers section of the forum for this leaked information. While the leak does hint at or indicate some story details, it does not reveal the final story spoilers.[/QUOTE]
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In an interview with Computer and Videogames, BioWare marketing director David Silverman went so far as to call Mass Effect 3 the "best game we've ever made".[/QUOTE]
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"Fans want a definitive end," he said. "They'll be the judge of that ultimately when they play it and see how we do that. Certainly, what this game absolutely does represent is the culmination of almost a decade's worth of work for the studio and for Casey [Hudson] and his team in terms of exactly what we're trying to do with the game we kicked off almost ten years ago. They're working really hard to make it a real proper conclusion, something that's fitting to what they've worked on for so long, and what the fans are telling us they're dying to see." [/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Just because we are listening, doesn't necessarily mean we agree with you or that we are obligated to do what you want.[/QUOTE]
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