[QUOTE=MajorMattem;35113842]Dont forget, we cant rule out the [sp]Indoctrination theory.
Theres something more to this. We just need to find out more stuff about it.
Either that or keep asking bioware to get a new ending.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]The problem with the Indoctrination theory is that it leaves the game unfinished, and the Reaper still exist. So if the Indoctrination theory is right, we still need a DLC to finish the game properly.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Feuver;35113862][sp]The problem with the Indoctrination theory is that it leaves the game unfinished, and the Reaper still exist. So if the Indoctrination theory is right, we still need a DLC to finish the game properly.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Exactly. Isnt that what we're waiting for in april or something?
[sp]That's the problem tough, who makes a book and then tell you to wait a couple of months for the last pages to be released, that just idiotic.[/sp]
[url]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23995305/New%20Text%20Document.txt[/url]
Made a quick mashup of some of the indoctrination theories.
Someone point out what i'm missing. Sorry for the bad writing and crap, i'm just trying to get a overview.
[QUOTE=Feuver;35113862][sp]The problem with the Indoctrination theory is that it leaves the game unfinished, and the Reaper still exist. So if the Indoctrination theory is right, we still need a DLC to finish the game properly.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I still much prefer a DLC to a big Bioware middle finger.
Oh my god for the last time guys, [sp] destroy option destroys all synthetics. This means synthetic lifeforms like EDI, the Geth and Reapers. It doesn't destroy all technology so the VIs, computers and toasters are fine. I mean come on, everyone who finishes the game watches Normandys doors open, which are tech. [/sp]
[QUOTE=LordApocca;35113908][url]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/23995305/New%20Text%20Document.txt[/url]
Made a quick mashup of some of the indoctrination theories.
Someone point out what i'm missing. Sorry for the bad writing and crap, i'm just trying to get a overview.[/QUOTE]
In a weird twist of fate, I will carry this over to BSN!
Hahaha, spread the word!
[QUOTE=madmanmad;35113849][sp]But he left with the reapers, probably never to return.
Paragon would know it wouldn't be worth the enialation of the geth and all technology.
Also i'm not defending this ending, i think it sucks big time.
All the work uniting the galaxy, saving the quarian homeworld atlast and reuniting them with the geth in peace, curing the genophage, all for nothing at all.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Anyway, if we are to defend the ending as they are now, we really fucking need some sort of epilogue to know what happens.
If Shephard took control of the Reapers, we need to know what he did with them? Did he just leave all the world alone and that's it? Or did he help rebuild? We cannot know, they devs didn't put that detail in the game.
If Shephard Synthesis the entire galaxy, then what happens next? No problems, no need to eat, no need to fight, no need for anything. The world just became a perfection of consensus. Pretty boring, heh?
If shephard Destroy all the reapers, the threat is killed, but well, what happens next? A lot of programs/Synthetic life has been killed. That could be a huge set back for some species more than others, and it kills the Geth, that might've been helping the Quarians on their homeworld, or if you killed the Quarians, you just killed the geth too, making a perfect Genocide on both side.
In every ending, the Mass Relays are destroyed, setting the universe back 700 years of technology until they all can be fixed. Good luck with that. [/sp]
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[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35113924]Oh my god for the last time guys, [sp] destroy option destroys all synthetics. This means synthetic lifeforms like EDI, the Geth and Reapers. It doesn't destroy all technology so the VIs, computers and toasters are fine. I mean come on, everyone who finishes the game watches Normandys doors open, which are tech. [/sp][/QUOTE]
Then again, if you have very low EMS at the end, it also[sp] kills every organics. Woops. [/sp]
Nevermind, the door opens even if [sp]no one survives[/sp].
Anyway, what happens if I use my Spectre status to give that Asari huntress in the hospital who killed [sp]Joker's sister[/sp] the gun? Anyone know?
Just found this, don't know the original source, and there are some points I'd dislike, but it'd be a massive improvement over the current ending(s).
SPOILERS ETC
[quote][sp]4 confrontations with the Crucible AI, depending on how the Illusive Man confrontation went, and one ending. Some of the endings are only possible with certain combinations, and they all change the epilogue in unique ways.
True Paragon - Convince the Illusive Man to shake off his indoctrination, and of the error of his ways. Both Anderson and the Illusive Man survive, and join you in the Crucible to help you with your decision.
Paragon - Kill the Illusive Man. Anderson joins you in the Crucible.
Renegade - Let the Illusive Man kill Anderson, then talk him down. The Illusive Man joins you in the Crucible.
True Renegade - Let the Illusive Man kill Anderson, then kill him. You go to the Crucible alone.
Bad End - Let the Illusive Man kill Anderson, then kill you. The Illusive Man goes to the Crucible and gains control of the Reapers, allowing humanity to dominate the other races. This counts as an ending, and you gain control of the Illusive Man for the last few minutes of the game.
1 Reaper Synthesis
The Crucible is capable of unleashing a powerful Indoctrination signal, one that is capable of affecting every sentient being in the universe, even the Reapers. Using this, you rewire the minds of everyone, including the Reapers, linking them all into a gigantic galaxy-wide telepathic network. This satisfies the Reapers (whos motives aren't fucking retarded), but changes the very nature of life forevermore.
2 Communication: Diplomacy
Using the Crucible as a powerful bargaining tool, you manage to convince the Reapers to leave you in peace, by pointing out flaws in their motivations. They leave, but with a warning - if you fail to prove yourselves worthy of this second chance, they will return in force...
3 Communication: Intimidation
Using the Crucible as a powerful bargaining tool, you manage to drive the Reapers out of the galaxy, on threat of destruction via the Crucible. They leave, but there's always the looming threat of them returning in force...
4a Destruction - Mass Relays Destroyed 1
The Crucible takes control over all the Mass Relays, and uses them as devastating weapons against the Reapers, acting as giant cannons that attack with pinpoint precision. However, through a combination of calculation errors from flaws in the Crucible and a lack of military force to whittle down the Reapers numbers, the Reapers aren't all destroyed before the Relays break apart from the strain, and they manage to overcome the forces of the Council races, and the cycle continues on. Bad end.
4b Destruction - Mass Relays Destroyed 2
The Crucible takes control over all the Mass Relays, and uses them as devastating weapons against the Reapers, acting as giant cannons that attack with pinpoint precision. However, through a combination of calculation errors from flaws in the Crucible and a lack of military force to whittle down the Reapers numbers, the Reapers aren't all destroyed before the Relays break apart from the strain, but after a long, gruelling battle with many losses the Council races emerge victorious.
4c Destruction - Mass Relays Destroyed 3
The Crucible takes control over all the Mass Relays, and uses them as devastating weapons against the Reapers, acting as giant cannons that attack with pinpoint precision. However, through a combination of calculation errors from flaws in the Crucible and a lack of military force to whittle down the Reapers numbers, the Reapers aren't all destroyed before the Relays break apart from the strain, but there are few enough left that the forces of the Council Races can mop the survivors up with ease.
5 Destruction - Mass Relays Intact
The Crucible takes control over all the Mass Relays, and uses them as devastating weapons against the Reapers, acting as giant cannons that attack with pinpoint precision. The Relays manage to destroy all remaining Reapers and remain intact for use by generations to come.
6a Control - Shepard Paragon
Using the Crucible, you can selectively indoctrinate the Reapers to follow your will, and become subservient to the Council Races, who use their technology to enter a new golden age. However, in order to target the Reapers exclusively without affecting any other form of sentient life, you'll need to sacrifice yourself to merge with the Crucible's AI and assume direct control of the process.
6b Control - Shepard Renegade
By sacrificing yourself, you can selectively indoctrinate the Reapers to follow your will, and become subservient to humanity, who use their technology to enslave all other races in the galaxy. However, in order to target the Reapers exclusively without affecting any other form of sentient life, you'll need to sacrifice yourself to merge with the Crucible's AI and assume direct control of the process.
7a Control - Cereberus Paragon
Rather than let you sacrifice yourself to control the Reapers, the Illusive Man goes in your place. You've helped him see the light, and that all races are as deserving as humanity. His will takes control of the Reapers and uses them for the benefit of all sentient life in the galaxy.
7b Control - Cereberus Renegade
Rather than let you sacrifice yourself to control the Reapers, the Illusive Man goes in your place. With the Reapers following his will, Cereberus and, more importantly, Humanity manage to dominate and enslave all other sentient life in the galaxy.
8 Galactic Domination
Having let both Anderson and the Illusive Man die, there is noone to stop you from siezing absolute power. Using the same method as Synthesis, you indoctrinate all sentient life everywhere, but rather than linking them all telepathically you enslave them all to your will. You live out the rest of your days in luxury as the Emperor of the Universe, served by your endless harem of bitches/boytoys.
9 Absolute Destruction
You dun goofed, boy. You fucked up at every possible point in all three games, leaving the Crucible horrifically incomplete. When you try to activate it, it works, sure, but far too well. The end result is that the entire Milky Way and all life in it is annihilated.
Epilogue: Small viginettes play out during the credits. Here are a few examples:
*The first one is always the Normandy arriving to pick you and/or Anderson up, your LI coming out first to hug you. If TIM survived, he'll vanish when they arrive, but when you look back at the Crucible from the Normandy, you'll see another ship with Cerberus markings leaving.
*You and your love interest visiting a resort that changes depending on who you romanced (ie a beach for Liara, a carnival with a shooting gallery for Garrus etc)
*Anderson either doing councillor things, doing paperwork, or training a new batch of recruits. If he died, Shepard attends his funeral.
*Shepard will see a report on Cereberus while walking past a holoscreen. If you convinced TIM that all races were equal, the headline will be CERBERUS GIVES AID TO SALARIAN SURVIVORS (Terrorist front turned humanitatian group as subheadline). If he survived but you failed to change his mind it'll be a report about Cerberus up to its usual tricks, and Shep will just sigh. If he died, its about how the last remnants of Cereberus have been arrested.
*A scene of the reporter. If you punched her in all three games, she's nursing a black eye, and stares at a magazine cover about Shep being a hero, clearly rethinking her life. If you Paragon'd her, she's putting on makeup, grins at a signed photo of Shep tacked onto her mirror as if saying 'wish me luck', then walks out of her dressing room with renewed confidence.
*Various scenes showing what happened to the races and people you saved/damned over the course of the trilogy. Such as Wrex and the Salarian councillor shaking hands in front of a crowd of reporters, people studing the Reapers or their wreckage, Geth and Quarians walking past each other clearly distrustful of each other until a Quarian trips and a Geth helps her up, and various side characters throughout the games doing things, such as that Vorcha you save in ME2. Alternately it shows scenes of suffering and devastation if you failed to help them or sacrificed them.
FINAL SCENE: Its the GRAMPA TELL ME ANOTHER STORY scene, only this time the kid is a girl (Because its potentially an Asari), and if you survived the grandfather is Shepard (who admits to leaving out some of the...naughtier bits). If you died, its Joker in a bitchin hoverchair. Under most circumstances, the grandfather gently declines telling another story, saying its late and they really should be getting home.
SECRET ENDING: However, if Shepard is still a Spectre, Shep will agree to tell the little girl another story. It starts with Shep called in to meet their new partner. Shep arrives first, but their partner arrives soon after. The instant the door opens, the screen goes black.
"Ah, Shepard, here's your new partner!"
"This one thought it told you last time. This one works alone."
Two months later, Bioware releases the Blasto Squadmate DLC.[/sp][/quote]
Blasto squadmate would be hilarious.
[QUOTE=Feuver;35113936][sp]Anyway, if we are to defend the ending as they are now, we really fucking need some sort of epilogue to know what happens.
If Shephard took control of the Reapers, we need to know what he did with them? Did he just leave all the world alone and that's it? Or did he help rebuild? We cannot know, they devs didn't put that detail in the game.
If Shephard Synthesis the entire galaxy, then what happens next? No problems, no need to eat, no need to fight, no need for anything. The world just became a perfection of consensus. Pretty boring, heh?
If shephard Destroy all the reapers, the threat is killed, but well, what happens next? A lot of programs/Synthetic life has been killed. That could be a huge set back for some species more than others, and it kills the Geth, that might've been helping the Quarians on their homeworld, or if you killed the Quarians, you just killed the geth too, making a perfect Genocide on both side.
In every ending, the Mass Relays are destroyed, setting the universe back 700 years of technology until they all can be fixed. Good luck with that. [/sp]
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Then again, if you have very low EMS at the end, it also[sp] kills every organics. Woops. [/sp][/QUOTE]
okay regarding the last statement the more I read about these endings the more I laugh
Oh god the Geth Sniper rifle is so sexy, without mods you can see enemies behind cover that the bullet you fire can pass through.
[QUOTE=GetBent;35113964]Nevermind, the door opens even if [sp]no one survives[/sp].
Anyway, what happens if I use my Spectre status to give that Asari huntress in the hospital who killed [sp]Joker's sister[/sp] the gun? Anyone know?[/QUOTE]
Bonus assets.
Anyone also notice that in the end sequence [sp]paragon players will suddenly have renegade scars? And that Anderson says he was behind Shep when he entered the conduit, but is then was suddenly infont?[/sp]
Something about the [sp]Synthesis[/sp] ending. [sp]So for a second I will assume that these are the real endings and the indoctrination theory is wrong. How long does this synthesis process take. The catalyst said that basically the energy sent out from the crucible would fuck with everyones DNA. Why is it that when Joker and what not emerge from the Normandy, they aren't all cyborgs?
Actually adding to that, I reckon the synthesis ending is Shepard killing himself. Control ending, Reapers take control of Shepard, still the possible chance of him breaking indoctrination? Destroy ending they're boned anyway. Maybe the synthesis ending is their way of saying "You know what Shepard, you've been a pain in the ass for too long now, just go throw yourself in that giant mega death beam for us would you kindly?"[/sp]
[sp]Screw this shit, indoctrination theory all the way IMO[/sp]
[QUOTE=The DooD;35114115]Something about the [sp]Synthesis[/sp] ending. [sp]So for a second I will assume that these are the real endings and the indoctrination theory is wrong. How long does this synthesis process take. The catalyst said that basically the energy sent out from the crucible would fuck with everyones DNA. Why is it that when Joker and what not emerge from the Normandy, they aren't all cyborgs?[/sp]
[sp]Screw this shit, indoctrination theory all the way IMO[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]When Joker gets out of the Normandy, you can see the synthetic implant shizz up hi arms/neck.[/sp]
[QUOTE=The DooD;35114115]Something about the [sp]Synthesis[/sp] ending. [sp]So for a second I will assume that these are the real endings and the indoctrination theory is wrong. How long does this synthesis process take. The catalyst said that basically the energy sent out from the crucible would fuck with everyones DNA. Why is it that when Joker and what not emerge from the Normandy, they aren't all cyborgs?[/sp]
[sp]Screw this shit, indoctrination theory all the way IMO[/sp][/QUOTE]
They are. If you look closely they appear to have [sp]under their skin shinny green circuits. As with the leaves[/sp]
[editline]12th March 2012[/editline]
ninj'd
Christ, this whole situation is fucked up. How did bioware actually manage to screw up the endings this badly?
[QUOTE=MajorMattem;35114185]Christ, this whole situation is fucked up. How did bioware actually manage to screw up the endings this badly?[/QUOTE]
They can still save it.
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35114109]Anyone also notice that in the end sequence [sp]paragon players will suddenly have renegade scars? And that Anderson says he was behind Shep when he entered the conduit, but is then was suddenly infont?[/sp][/QUOTE]
I had assumed they were [sp]open wounds from being shotby Harbinger. Weren't they bleeding?[/sp]
[editline]13th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=LordApocca;35114195]They can still save it.[/QUOTE]
Microsoft allows for 1 free DLC without charging the company, I would be okay with that DLC fixing the ending.
I support the indoctrination theory 100% now. [sp]Besides all the other things pointed out, the concrete rubble in the surviving scene is the most compelling evidence for me. I know, it's possible Bioware just had really bad writers and these are the real endings, but I don't think they could have accidentally used concrete and not metal in that scene. I don't think Bioware's animators can screw up that badly too. There's more to it.[/sp]
[QUOTE=LordApocca;35114195]They can still save it.[/QUOTE]
Unless they pull a Broken Steel they are pretty fucked
IMO, I don't really think it's the writers but more of the pressure and time constraints put on them. They should've spent a couple of months more figuring how it should pull together.
[QUOTE=Cettuwals;35113758][url]http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2012/03/12/rumor-new-mass-effect-3-characters-revealed.aspx[/url][/QUOTE]
That's really cool, except for the fact that I may have to buy an action figure for a chance to get some of those items. That's fucking stupid.
Edit: Oh wait, how would Geth characters work? The Geth are an enemy. Yeah, I'm calling bullshit to be safe.
[QUOTE=Jackald;35114253][sp] what if shepard dies when she or he loses that blood and goes up oj the magic lift thingy. Notice all the blood on her hands is magically gone in the next scene and she's suddenly not dying...[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Not any better, the Crucible didn't work and Galaxy is still doomed. [/sp]
[QUOTE=DaysBefore;35114254]That's really cool, except for the fact that I may have to buy an action figure for a chance to get some of those items. That's fucking stupid.[/QUOTE]
are you telling me a 6-inch Legion is lame?
Because you're a liar
[editline]13th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=TheLolrus;35114210]I support the indoctrination theory 100% now. [sp]Besides all the other things pointed out, the concrete rubble in the surviving scene is the most compelling evidence for me. I know, it's possible Bioware just had really bad writers and these are the real endings, but I don't think they could have accidentally used concrete and not metal in that scene. I don't think Bioware's animators can screw up that badly. There's more to it.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Well, we all thought Dark Energy would turn out to be a major plot point and look what happened there
[QUOTE=DeeCeeTeeBee;35114133][sp]When Joker gets out of the Normandy, you can see the synthetic implant shizz up hi arms/neck.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I had a look and can barely see it. It just seems like weird reflections from the sun
You ever noticed how almost all your decisions meant jackshit
-Saving the rachni, saving the council etc... in the end, it all gets filtered into one thing. Some dialogue here or there changes.
[QUOTE=LordApocca;35114195]They can still save it.[/QUOTE]By releasing the actual ending as DLC I'd bet, wouldn't put it past them at all.
[QUOTE=Killer900;35114291]By releasing the actual ending as DLC I'd bet, wouldn't put it past them at all.[/QUOTE]
I consider that better than not doing anything at all. Even if it costs money and I decide not to buy it, I'll feel better knowing the story doesn't really end like it dies now.
[QUOTE=The DooD;35114284]I had a look and can barely see it. It just seems like weird reflections from the sun[/QUOTE]
Well his eyes glow green too.
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