[sp]Humanity will also never go back to the stars because Earth and the solar system have already been stripped mined or raped by the reapers. You can't rebuild with no resources[/sp]
[QUOTE=Egevened;35123090]think of it like the geth after [sp]legion's upgrade[/sp]
everyone retains free will, but a technological singularity is reached.
however, talk about giving cavemen guns..[/QUOTE]
[sp]i don't know, i feel like that's not entirely compatible with any biological physiology
i know there's the space magic explanation, but i can't see the justification of organic and synthetic synthesis, it just doesn't make any sense if you were to think about the biological, let alone psychological, ramifications of such a huge change. it's like skipping evolution from an amoeba to a human being, it makes no fucking sense[/sp]
then just play up until the ending.
and yes it is horrifying but it's the only option presented
[QUOTE=SystemGS;35123165][sp]i don't know, i feel like that's not entirely compatible with any biological physiology
i know there's the space magic explanation, but i can't see the justification of organic and synthetic synthesis, it just doesn't make any sense if you were to think about the biological, let alone psychological, ramifications of such a huge change. it's like skipping evolution from an amoeba to a human being, it makes no fucking sense[/sp][/QUOTE]
hence my caveman-guns analogy
[QUOTE=Feuver;35123099]ahahahahah lol, like we could imagine anything about the mass effect universe after [sp] the Mass Relays were destroyed. Lol.[/sp]
Nobody would be happy after the ending we got. Most species are actually fucked in the ass now.[/QUOTE]
the whole point of the series is trying to survive through tragedies, it's not any sort of stretch. it's either that or extinction so
is the manae mission anyone else's favorite mission in me3? it's so gorgeous imo
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35123169]then just play up until the ending.
and yes it is horrifying but it's the only option presented[/QUOTE]
Hence why people are so shocked and angry. It's almost impossible to believe that the same team that created 33hrs and 50 minutes of gaming nirvana is the same team that came up with one of the worst endings (either in concept or execution; haven't decided yet) in gaming history. It's just baffling, and it does a lot that destroys what the franchise is built around.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;35120826]lol korn skrillex and sucker punch the three worst things ever in a single video[/QUOTE]
KoRn is actually quite a nice band, Skrillex is a talentless little dopehead (but at least his music isn't too bad), and SuckerPunch was pretty bad.
Just because it's dubstep doesn't mean it's bad.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35123186]the whole point of the series is trying to survive through tragedies, it's not any sort of stretch. it's either that or extinction so[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but [sp] destroying the Mass Relays already cause massive extinction as well. Might as well attack the Reapers head on and die. [/sp]
[QUOTE=Feuver;35123209]Yeah, but [sp] destroying the Mass Relays already cause massive extinction as well. Might as well attack the Reapers head on and die. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]who's going extinct just because they can't travel?
and extinction and a lot of deaths are miles apart[/sp]
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[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35123197]Hence why people are so shocked and angry. It's almost impossible to believe that the same team that created 33hrs and 50 minutes of gaming nirvana is the same team that came up with one of the worst endings (either in concept or execution; haven't decided yet) in gaming history. It's just baffling, and it does a lot that destroys what the franchise is built around.[/QUOTE]
can't win 'em all. just seems like overreaction to me, particularly considering the core game is so good. People going back after the ending to pick out flaws they never seemed to give a shit about before seeing the ending is most pathetic thing to me.
The ending of ME2 sucked too but no one got this upset about it.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35123219][sp]who's going extinct just because they can't travel?
and extinction and a lot of deaths are miles apart[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]you have nearly every major fleet in the galaxy in the sol system without a mass relay. in some cases, the quarian liveships are destroyed, depleting renewable resources there. if you really think about it, with the inability to travel out of the sol system with any truly deliberate speed, resources would quickly run thin, especially when you consider the krogan's reproductive rate alongside the rachni's. so, more or less, everyone devours the limited resources of the sol system very quickly[/sp]
I'm not going to read through all 406 pages, but as for the endings, they should add this as an idea:
[sp]Shepard gives the Catalyst the ultimate "fuck you". Instead of taking any of the three choices, Shepard sits down and watches the battle rage on. The reapers will defeat the fleet, but take extreme amounts of losses if your warscore is high enough, and the cycles will continue. But the epilogue shows that Liara's box allows some cycle later on to defeat the reapers through conventional means and thus the entire population of Shepard's cycle performs the greatest heroic sacrifice in the name of the greater good in the existence of the galaxy.
Alternatively, if you have an insanely high warscore and 100% galactic readiness, most likely by picking the "right" choices 90% of the time over the course of the entire trilogy, then you get some cliché golden ending where the reapers are defeated against all odds through conventional warfare but the galaxy will need some years to repopulate and get everything up and running again. Shepard may or may not die of blood loss, depending on where the plot goes. The good thing about this is that A) it leaves the players satisfied and B) it will be an incentive for new players to buy ME and ME2 so they can achieve this golden ending.[/sp]
[sp]Well to be fair the Krogan and Rachni wouldn't matter as the queen wouldn't of been with the fleet nor would any krogan females so all of them would just eventually die out.[/sp]
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/They_apparently_care.png[/img]
Anyone reckon we're actually going to get a statement from them about it soon or something?
[QUOTE=SystemGS;35123259][sp]you have nearly every major fleet in the galaxy in the sol system without a mass relay. in some cases, the quarian liveships are destroyed, depleting renewable resources there. if you really think about it, with the inability to travel out of the sol system with any truly deliberate speed, resources would quickly run thin, especially when you consider the krogan's reproductive rate alongside the rachni's. so, more or less, everyone devours the limited resources of the sol system very quickly[/sp][/QUOTE]
you forget the possibilities that [sp]many ships could have jumped out like the normandy did before they exploded[/sp]
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[QUOTE=MajorMattem;35123294][img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/They_apparently_care.png[/img]
Anyone reckon we're actually going to get a statement from them about it soon or something?[/QUOTE]
that'd be hilarious. I can't wait to see where this goes to be honest
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35123219][sp]who's going extinct just because they can't travel?
and extinction and a lot of deaths are miles apart[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Quarians are fucked to the ass, except those who are stranded on their homeworld (Not many, most probably). Turian fleets that were around Earth are all stranded without food without stealing some from the Quarians, who probably will try to keep their food for themselves. So the Dextro Species that were around Earth, which was most of the Turian's military and the Quarian fleet will die. Then, Earth has to process food for millions of different species at the same time, so it's clear a war for food will pop up, and with the Krogans in the mess, it's going to be a game of natural selection on Earth. Most colonies will be stranded and die of hunger if they can't farm their own food, then they'll probably wither and die due to lack of gene pool diversity. The only people that could fix their own world would be the Asaris because they are extremely advanced in technology. The Batarians are already declared extinct for the most part... anyway, billions of death all over the galaxy and some races WILL go extinct. [/sp]
Just keep saying "Please guys".
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35123219]
The ending of ME2 sucked too but no one got this upset about it.[/QUOTE]
That's because, human-reaper aside, the ending to Mass Effect 2 was great! The suicide-mission is one of the most pulse-pounding finales in gaming, your choices matter at every possible moment and it ends with a triumphant "FUCK YEAH" when you finish the job, or a pained "Well...we did it" when you screw up, bad.
Mass Effect 3 does not have that.
watching on the twitter feed on the mass effect website is my new hobby.
[QUOTE=Jackald;35123315]After having some time for it to sink in, and after fully believing the [sp]indoctrination ending[/sp] is the real one, my estimations of the game have gone up considerably.
It's the only real explanation. In a game where [sp]every decision is referenced (even if the ramifications aren't that significant, there are a bajillion tiny little details referenced), every miniscule detail is explained, to the point where I thought the cutscenes occasionally were a bit too long with explaining the exact intricacies of the plan (Explaining why James is in the shuttle, explaining why people are where they are) nobody ever just "happens to be there", it's always fully explained.
For Bioware to just throw that all out the window at the last 15 minutes of a game, suddenly and out of nowhere I might add, to the extent that it's as if an entirely different team created that ending, to make such a hazy, dreamlike ending, with such vague and so many inconsistencies, considering how good Bioware have been on the whole all game long with filling plotholes, I do not believe they would suddenly drop the ball.
If anything, I think that ending wasn't vague enough. If it had been that little bit more nonsensical, and they had hinted at indoctrination a bit more, people wouldn't be so quick to believe it's real.
Yes, we have to do DLC for the ending, but I don't particularly mind that. I'd rather have DLC that ends it properly than leave the endings as it is.[/sp]
I realise how incredibly biodrone-ey that sounds ("BIOWARE CAN'T MAKE A BAD ENDING, IT MUST BE AN AMAZING ENDING WE JUST DON'T UNDERSTAND IT") but that's how I choose to remember Mass Effect 3, irrespective of whether the endings happened or not.[/QUOTE]
I don't mind if that theory is real but, as I said earlier, if it proves true then Bioware left off the last half hour of the game.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35123303]you forget the possibilities that [sp]many ships could have jumped out like the normandy did before they exploded[/sp]
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that'd be hilarious. I can't wait to see where this goes to be honest[/QUOTE]
I dont know about that. [sp]The normandy is really fast. Probably the fastest ship in the galaxy in it's class. I doubt a dreadnaught or cruiser would be able to reach one faster than it.[/sp]
And, neither can I.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35123327]That's because, human-reaper aside, the ending to Mass Effect 2 was great! The suicide-mission is one of the most pulse-pounding finales in gaming, your choices matter at every possible moment and it ends with a triumphant "FUCK YEAH" when you finish the job, or a pained "Well...we did it" when you screw up, bad.
Mass Effect 3 does not have that.[/QUOTE]
what's the difference between that and the last moments before reaching the [sp]harbinger[/sp]?
I'll agree on poor execution but it's really not that different in concept
just a to be continued without any resolution
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[QUOTE=MajorMattem;35123351]I dont know about that. [sp]The normandy is really fast. Probably the fastest ship in the galaxy in it's class. I doubt a dreadnaught or cruiser would be able to reach one faster than it.[/sp]
And, neither can I.[/QUOTE]
speed has no effect on jump speed.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35123354]what's the difference between that and the last moments before reaching the [sp]harbinger[/sp]?
I'll agree on poor execution but it's really not that different in concept
just a to be continued without any resolution
[/QUOTE]
That's the problem! There's no resolution whatsoever, while Mass Effect 2 had exactly enough, as well as an appropriate cliffhanger for the next game. Here, there's not supposed to be another game. Every last question was PROMISED to be answered, and instead we've got more than what we started the game with.
Everything about the game was fine. Until that fucking platform that takes us up.
ie when you see all the ships jumping into the system at the same time
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[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35123391]That's the problem! There's no resolution whatsoever, while Mass Effect 2 had exactly enough, as well as an appropriate cliffhanger for the next game. Here, there's not supposed to be another game. Every last question was PROMISED to be answered, and instead we've got more than what we started the game with.
Everything about the game was fine. Until that fucking platform that takes us up.[/QUOTE]
well you don't know if more is coming or not, you're just assuming.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35123354]what's the difference between that and the last moments before reaching the [sp]harbinger[/sp]?
I'll agree on poor execution but it's really not that different in concept
just a to be continued without any resolution
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speed has no effect on jump speed.[/QUOTE]
[sp]It does when you're trying to get to the relay as fast as you can. Maybe the fighters might have been able to keep up but I really dont know.[/sp]
fighters can't jump anyway but again you're still just assuming a lot. who knows how much time passed during the last "moments" in the you know what.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35123394]
well you don't know if more is coming or not, you're just assuming.[/QUOTE]
I don't give a shit if more is coming, though at this point it's a necessity.. Every single one of us bought Mass Effect 3 under the guise that our story would be complete and we didn't get it. That's false advertising at best, deliberate lying at worst.
for example why was the normandy jumping at all? it is never explained, there are many possibilities
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[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35123428]I don't give a shit if more is coming. Every single one of us bought Mass Effect 3 under the guise that our story would be complete and we didn't get it. That's false advertising at best, deliberate lying at worst.[/QUOTE]
again that's why I went into the game blind lol. I am still satisfied.
and I don't mean shep's story continuing, just the overall universe.
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ie the overall repercussions of your actions
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35123432]for example why was the normandy jumping at all? it is never explained, there are many possibilities
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again that's why I went into the game blind lol. I am still satisfied.
and I don't mean shep's story continuing, just the overall universe.
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ie the overall repercussions of your actions[/QUOTE]
Did you play Mass Effect 1 or 2? Is that what you mean by "Going blind?"
Anyway, why the fuck should I pay to see what happens to the overall universe? It's like you buying the last book of a trilogy expecting a good ending, then you have a shit ending, and a page where it's written "You have read this book. Pay more money to get the last 40 pages about what happens to the rest of the universe."
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35123394] well you don't know if more is coming or not, you're just assuming.[/QUOTE]
A game continuing from [sp]that ending would be depressing as fuck. No tech, probably no guns, watching the turians and quarians slowly die out, all of the other species on earth wandering aimlessly, wondering what they can do now, and all the while, everyone grieving the loss of absolutely everyone outside of the sol system.
Theres something I dont get, too. When the normandy was in jump, why is joker so desperate to escape the blast wave? Does he even know what it does? How did he know it was coming? Why did it even destroy the normandy?[/sp]
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