[QUOTE=superdeluxe;35153537]Bioware=
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At least Bioware has finally given me an appropriate use for this image:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XgtKi.jpg[/IMG]
Actually, having the Catalyst be a dog would've been preferable to that stupid kid.
[QUOTE=Kinversulath;35153567]At least Bioware has finally given me an appropriate use for this image:
[IMG]http://i.imgur.com/XgtKi.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Bioware, from recent quotes from the devs, seem to have believed they were incredibly deep with the endings and that everyone would love them for some reason.
Take a look at Object:
Who's intrigued now?
[sp]http://i.imgur.com/Xwh1A.png[/sp]
[QUOTE=Smashman;35153625]Take a look at Object:
Who's intrigued now?
[sp]http://i.imgur.com/Xwh1A.png[/sp][/QUOTE]
I believe some fag from /v/ edited that image to that sadly
[editline]15th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jackald;35153635]It's like they didn't ask anybody about the endings. Or maybe they didn't care.
I'm not sure which is worse:
-That Bioware didn't realise the endings were bad
- or that Bioware realised they were bad and didn't care.[/QUOTE]
Both make me sad.
[QUOTE=Smashman;35153625]Take a look at Object:
Who's intrigued now?
[sp]http://i.imgur.com/Xwh1A.png[/sp][/QUOTE]
It's been proven fake a couple pages back.
[QUOTE=Smashman;35153625]Take a look at Object:
Who's intrigued now?
[sp]http://i.imgur.com/Xwh1A.png[/sp][/QUOTE]
Proven to be fake.
What's the red glow on the child's head?
[QUOTE=Thom12255;35153700]What's the red glow on the child's head?[/QUOTE]
An artist's recreation of the writer's brain who wrote the ending(s).
Probably posted already, but I love this video.
[video=youtube;467pmIX-oZo]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=467pmIX-oZo[/video]
Never forget. He tried to save us.
[QUOTE=Jackald;35153674]Nope, sorry bro, that's faked:
[t]http://i.imgur.com/Q9INt.png[/t]
Just took a look myself.[/QUOTE]
What is fake? The model of the kid? Am I missing something?
[QUOTE=Jackald;35153744]
Look at the file names.[/QUOTE]
Ahh, I see it now, thanks.
holy shit fuck this game
[sp]i have no fucking clue how to save the quarians and the geth this is bullshit, i have a super high paragon rating and iirc i made the right choices in me2 and i've played through this mission like 3 times and i can never save both the geth and the quarians, FUCK[/sp]
Removed the reapers from the scan part of the game, you still get an alert but you can remove that too, not like you need to though.
acceleration 5.0 changed to 0.0 under sfxgamecontent > sfxgalaxymapreaper
You can also change their speed and alertness range, haven't touched either.
[QUOTE=zzzz;35153865]holy shit fuck this game
[sp]i have no fucking clue how to save the quarians and the geth this is bullshit, i have a super high paragon rating and iirc i made the right choices in me2 and i've played through this mission like 3 times and i can never save both the geth and the quarians, FUCK[/sp][/QUOTE]
what do i do????
[QUOTE=Jackald;35154034]It makes no difference to the ending.[/QUOTE]
i don't care about the ending, i just don't want to kill an entire race of something, i heard its possible to get both to survive and i want to know how
[QUOTE=zzzz;35153924]what do i do????[/QUOTE]
[sp]You were supposed to do both side missions on Ranoch before attacking the base.
Hope you had an earlier save.[/sp]
Holy shit so I only just read page 438.
It's confirmed that these are the real endings? I think I might actually cry.
[QUOTE=superdinoman;35153895]Removed the reapers from the scan part of the game, you still get an alert but you can remove that too, not like you need to though.
acceleration 5.0 changed to 0.0 under sfxgamecontent > sfxgalaxymapreaper
You can also change their speed and alertness range, haven't touched either.[/QUOTE]
Thanks, this will come very handy
[QUOTE=Cone;35153205][sp]She's at the cafe Liara sits near. I think that she shows up in the time between meeting the diplomats on the Normandy and the Citadel being attacked.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I don't think she ever appeared for me. Alright, this time I'm going to visit the Citadel after every single mission.
Ending theories/commentaries. To be frank, and to put it bluntly, I actually liked the idea behind the endings. However, its execution was rushed and poorly done with little sustenance.
[sp] Just about everything from the charge for the Conduit and final confrontation with the Illusive Man was a pretty good finale and worked pretty well. It’s a sad ending for Anderson, Illusive Man, and Shepard himself and if it ended there with Shepard activating the Crucible destroying the Reapers followed by an epilogue, I’d be okay with that. But it didn’t end. Meeting the true Catalyst was an interesting moment, but was hardly developed to feel like it had any place. We/Shepard should have been able to question The Catalyst and argue its actions and its fatalistic ideals (and argue the possibility that it is wrong about its assumption that there cannot be peace between organics and synthetics, as evidenced by EDI and the Geth). Not to mention, I never realized or felt that synthetics vs. organics was the major theme of the series, sure it was a theme, but to come forward as the primary issue of the galaxy seemed kind of odd and out of place. The motives, origin, and background of the Catalyst (and as to why you would want to choose one decision over another) are poorly explained so everything can be quickly concluded. Adding insult to injury, the game refuses to add any sort of epilogue that notes the effect of Shepard’s decisions on the galaxy and how life changes depending on the Destory, Control, or Synthesis endings. Then of course there is the mystery as to where Joker was going, what was he doing, and how did your companions get back onto the Normandy.
In fact, a lot of the ending could have been over looked if they added a meaningful epilogue. For a game that garners ‘player choice‘, ‘your Shepard’, and ‘consequences’, it is practically imperative to add an epilogue that details the summation of all our choices. Things like Wrex and Eve leading the krogan as opposed to Wreav and Eve doing it would be vastly different. Address how species deal with the displacement due to the destruction of the mass relays (really, only the Destroy ending should actually destroy the Mass Relays); How planets now infested with numerous species coexist and rebuild their shattered world… Everything is just hanging there when it could be easily tied up in the form of epilogue videos.
Side note:
I was disappointed that there are not more opportunities in which your team mates can get killed. There’s that one moment where the Virmire Survivor is protecting the Council and can get shot by one of your team mates and Tali’s potential suicide (both of which are easily avoided) but other than that there’s nothing. Personally, I would have liked it if maybe on Thessia when you encounter Kai Leng you’re put in a position where you either go after Kai Leng (which gets Liara or another companion killed) or saving your companions (allowing Kai Leng to escape). Furthermore, after Shepard gets blasted by Harbinger, it might have been interesting if- maybe depending on or Galactic Readiness or Effective Military Strength- the two companions charging with you can die or get really fucked up but live.
I’ll attempt to explain how I believe BioWare may have implied or wanted the Catalyst and endings to be interpreted:
The Catalyst/Reapers- An ancient artificial intelligence that discovered these cyclical patterns in the history of the universe (its creator lost to time and most likely the first species to be Reaped). Realizing the continual pattern of the universe, where organics rise to the point that they create life that may ultimately destroy them, The Catalyst created the Reapers to act as moderators of galactic stability by extreme means without remorse and unfaltering determination to that one cause (They believe coexistence between organics and synthetics is unconditionally impossible because of the patterns). By ‘ascending’ organics in the form of Reapers, they preserve the genetic make-up of organics. The most successful sentient species (more evolved) would be formed into ‘Sovereign-class Capital Ships’ while lesser sentient species (less evolved) would be turned into smaller Reapers. This allows for younger, lesser evolved sentient creatures to advance to their maximum potential. The Reapers, in turn, gain numbers and the very essence of a species to add to the Reaper Collective. Essentially, the Reapers act as a genetic archive of all the species’ physical, mental, physiological capabilities that have ever existed. Knowing the stubborn nature of organics and the inevitability of resistance against the Reapers, The Reapers forge weaponry and armies that use the species’ strengths against them. (In layman terms: A machine-god does what it sees as the best solution for organic preservation).
Destroy- By choosing to destroy the Reapers, Shepard sets off a chain reaction in which any and all technology based on the Reapers is destroyed or rendered dysfunctional. This basically sends all species back to square one, prior to Mass Effect technology. The Mass Relays do not explode in the form as the Alpha Relay because it was a ‘controlled demolition’, so to speak (whereas the Alpha Relay was violently destabilized by the asteroid, the Crucible permanently shutdowns the relay making it implode on itself rather than explode destroying everything) If that is the case, the pretty orange color is a shock wave of whatever voodoo science signal is going through destroying the Reapers and their technology.
Control- Shepard abandons his idea that destroying is the best way and infuses his consciousness into the Reaper collective. Assuming full control of the Reapers he commands them to leave. The signal that carries his essence is shot through the Relays, overloading them to a crumbling fault, sending the Shepard Signal to all Reapers in all systems (hence the pretty blue glowing shockwave- basically what Harbinger was to the Collectors, Shepard is now, permanently, to the Reapers).
Synthesis- Shepard allows his body to be the framework to allow a signal to go out to rewrite all organics and synthetics to become one of the same (using the same voodoo science the series is hinges on), taking the ‘next step’ in the evolutionary process. The signal, once again, overloads the Mass Relays but allows every organic and synthetic across the Milky Way to be infused with Shepard‘s framework rewriting their genetic structure (similar to the Collector‘s minus the whole docile hive mind thing). Why the Reapers leave is a mystery [to me].
Overall, the primary function of The Crucible was to destroy the Mass Relays and Mass Effect technology because it is Reaper technology. In doing so, organics are no longer bound by and guided down the paths that the Reapers intended for them and are free to evolve and develop in any way possible (The Reapers denied this ability by allowing organics to find their technology and follow very similar technological paths). The natural existential cycle that Vendetta described may exist, but the cycle of harvesting the Reapers controlled is ended. I guess the Citadel gets destroyed too, being Reaper tech and a giant Mass Relay, which means everyone who didn’t evacuate is dead.
The scene following the credits is not to imply that the whole thing was some stupid bedtime story, but that Shepard’s actions are legendary and are passed down from generation to generation and that there is hope that some day organics will reach the stars by their own means and when they‘re ready.
If I had to explain the purpose of this kid I’d put it like so: the kid is/was real. It was just some kid that Shepard took notice of prior and during the invasion, someone he couldn‘t save. If anything, I’d say the kid was supposed to represent- to the player -all the innocent lives that are being lost outside of Shepard’s control. This is why the kid haunts Shepard’s dreams; Shepard has doubts of overcoming the overwhelming force of the Reapers and is feeling the weight of the galaxy on his/her shoulders more so than ever before, and he/she knows that no matter how hard he/she tries, millions of innocent lives are being lost as he/she struggles to amass a counter attack. Hell, Shepard even flat out says to Garrus at one point “There was a kid back on Earth. I couldn’t save him and I know there are millions just like him.” I’m paraphrasing, of course, but the message is the same. The dreams reflect the haunting reality of his/her inability to save everyone but has to fight to save anyone he can. Each dream he’s/she’s trying to save the child, but at the last minute the kid burns away, with each dream Shepard hears the voices of dead friends- people who Shepard couldn’t save and sacrificed themselves for Shepard’s mission. The final dream wherein Shepard sees his/her own reflection with the child is most likely a premonition of Shepard‘s inevitable death or Shepard doubting themselves in being capable of defeating the Reapers and die trying. Either or I guess.
The Catalyst takes the form of the kid to symbolize the future lives that Shepard’s final decision is for. Whatever decision Shepard makes, whether it be Controlling the Reapers, Destroying the Reapers and their technology, or Synthesizing organics and synthetics, will have a massive effect :v: on future generations for countless years.
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Again, these are just theories as to how I think they were putting it. I am not saying any of this is fact, but if I am correct, it still suggests that BioWare did a poor job as to portraying these endings (a little ambiguity is good, but if that equates to a black hole in the story‘s final chapter, then something has been done wrong). If I’m wrong… what the fuck frequency level of thinking am I on? Of course I’m disregarding the Indoctrination Theory; because, frankly, I find it to be straw man denial grasping at things that can be attributed to laziness, designer oversight, or even ’dramatic effect’ (or some other meaning I may have addressed) and tends to bring up more issues rather than solve them. Unless done in some spectacular fashion, I hope BioWare does not see the Indoctrination Theory as the best ending, claim it was the plan from the start, and release it with that rumored ‘The Truth‘ DLC. Not only do I think that is stupid but it would also make me look stupid too (gosh who would want that :v: ).
[QUOTE=zzzz;35153924]what do i do????[/QUOTE]
[sp]Have Legion upload the code and use Paragon from there on forth?[/sp]
[editline]Damn[/editline]
I should refresh before posting...
You need to hit some requirements other than max Paragon too, there's a checklist floating around the web, but here's some stuff that helps:
-Keep Tali alive through ME2
-Kill heretics during Legion's loyalty mission in ME2
-Keep Legion alive during ME2
-Complete all side missions on Rannoch before doing the Destroy Reaper Base mission
-Save Admiral Koris during the Rannoch: Admiral Koris mission
-Don't let Tali become an exile
-Choose Paragon option as Legion uploads Reaper upgrades.
Increased the scanner range, can scan an entire system just by entering it.
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/1Ysl6.jpg[/thumb]
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/YJIoq.jpg[/thumb]
[QUOTE=Cone;35154055][sp]You were supposed to do both side missions on Ranoch before attacking the base.
Hope you had an earlier save.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I did and I do. But that didn't help at all. I did however choose to [sp]rescue the admiral and let his crew die[/sp]
[QUOTE=Jackald;35154079]You just [sp]pick the top left choice when talking to the fleet after killing the reaper. Duh. If it's greyed out then tough tits, your reputation wasn't high enough.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I never got an option to do that though? It went straight to me talking to legion. I had to make the decision to [sp]upload it[/sp] right then and there. Tali made an attempt to [sp]talk to the fleet[/sp] but they said everything was under control and killed themselves anyway, which [sp]tali did promptly after i made the choice to upload the code[/sp]
[QUOTE=Dominicus;35154092][sp]Have Legion upload the code and use Paragon from there on forth?[/sp]
[/QUOTE]
I did and it didn't help, there were no further paragon options until [sp] tali committed suicide[/sp]
[QUOTE=superdinoman;35154142]Increased the scanner range, can scan an entire system just by entering it.
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/1Ysl6.jpg[/thumb]
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/YJIoq.jpg[/thumb][/QUOTE]
Sweet, which command line is that?
[QUOTE=superdinoman;35154142]Increased the scanner range, can scan an entire system just by entering it.
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/1Ysl6.jpg[/thumb]
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/YJIoq.jpg[/thumb][/QUOTE]
Info?
[QUOTE=Jackald;35154106]Hey guys, I found where Bioware got their ideas for the ending:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rm82gjZDIDU[/media][/QUOTE]
shit's nothing compared to riddley diddley
[video=youtube;XCGQiGEYl4Y]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCGQiGEYl4Y[/video]
should have been ME3 credit music
damnit this is dumb. i don't know if this matters either, but in me2 i rewrote the heretics for legions loyalty mission and i also [sp]got tali exiled, but she remained loyal[/sp]
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