[QUOTE=hypno-toad;35157468]So what exactly the fuck is going on here? ME1 (and to a slightly lesser degree) ME 2 were very solid games, I'm having trouble understanding what the uproar is about.
Anybody wanna explain the bioware situation and plot(holes) in the most shorthand way possible? If it's not too much trouble. I'm not going to touch EA Origin with a yardstick so it's probably gonna be a while before I play ME3.[/QUOTE]
Well, it's not exactly shorthand but Gamefront is pretty much nailing every article they write about ME3 lately.
[url=http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/]Mass Effect 3 Ending Hatred; 5 Reasons The Fans Are Right.[/url]
Ultramassive spoilers, obviously.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35157770]Well, it's not exactly shorthand but Gamefront is pretty much nailing every article they write about ME3 lately.
[url=http://www.gamefront.com/mass-effect-3-ending-hatred-5-reasons-the-fans-are-right/]Mass Effect 3 Ending Hatred; 5 Reasons The Fans Are Right.[/url]
Ultramassive spoilers, obviously.[/QUOTE]
Anyone know why filefront changed to gamefront? Its weird.
i just heard the Suicide Mission/ME2 theme playing on a commercial for The Ultimate Fighter
okay
[QUOTE=nightlord;35147851]Wow. Just finished the game. I see why people complain.
[sp] I enjoyed the game, but it was pretty bad. Hardly any real side quests, Reapers didn't seem like a threat, no actual exploration, hardly any talking to people outside of main characters, only about 3 weapons from the other Species, Cerberus is easily defeated, Choices in previous games hardly matter. The Dreams Shephard was having didn't mean anything - they tried to be sad but they weren't
Quarians just look like humans with different ears, eyes, hands and feet.
As for the ending, i went for the desctruction ending. Pretty much everyone except Liara, Joker and Garrus is dead. The Citadel is destroyed. Shephard is dead, Anderson is dead. All technology is gone. Mass Relays are gone. I don't think they could have made a worse ending if they tried. The child was the Catalyst. The Reapers were 'good'
The best part was the look on Joker's face when he realised he wasn't going to get out. The Leviathon of Dis didn't appear. The Giant Railgun on that random planet didn't appear. [/sp][/QUOTE]
N7 missions have a massive effect (lol) on the other events in the game... [sp]And choices in the other games "don't matter?" Are you serious? I guess if you don't care, yeah. And again complaining about the ending because it's not happy is just silly.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35157885]N7 missions have a massive effect (lol) on the other events in the game... [sp]And choices in the other games "don't matter?" Are you serious? I guess if you don't care, yeah. And again complaining about the ending because it's not happy is just silly.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I agree, but I still prefer to believe in the theories, and I won't stop ;([/sp]
The reapers banshee creeps the fuck out of me
[QUOTE=Crpto2007;35157982]The reapers banshee creeps the fuck out of me[/QUOTE]
Relevant:
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/1piT7.gif[/thumb]
[QUOTE=madmanmad;35157304]I just had a thought, [sp]in the mass effect 2 DLC arrival, shepard destroys a mass relay and the explosion from it wipes out an entire solar system. So how come at the end of ME3 when the relays explode none of the systems get destroyed?[/sp][/QUOTE]
+1 to the "Mass Effect 3 never ended theory"
could depend on the distance from the system? good question
[editline]15th March 2012[/editline]
or the way in which the [sp]the relays explode[/sp]
[sp]I would venture a guess to say that it is because of the way the Relays were destroyed via the signal. A more controlled explosion, plus some of the Relay's energy had to be used to send the energy to the next Relay. And send out the control/merge/destroy signal through the system.[/sp]
hey howdy look how interesting this is
[QUOTE]This link below, links to my New Game Plus File.
[url]http://i.imgur.com/Nfwjp.png[/url]
This link below links to my auto save right before the reapers.
[url]http://i.imgur.com/yfzwT.png[/url]
Notice something interesting?
If you look at your new game plus file it has a marker saying not only if you finished the game but HOW you finshed it, why would bioware need that if they didn't have something planned? Something that could use these Boolean markers.
Go download Gibs ME3 save editor, and see for yourself
[url]http://svn.gib.me/builds/masseffect3/?C=M;O=A[/url]
The save editor.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/418106_10150596688776472_544401471_9537943_525017234_n.jpg[/IMG]
My friend just posted this, he reloaded his save, and this is what came up.
Requeiscat in Pace....
NEVER FORGET
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=467pmIX-oZo[/media]
[editline]16th March 2012[/editline]
holy shit
in order to get the best Ending
Let Marauder Shields kill you
[sp]Shepard never uses the Crucible... Marauder Shields is the galaxies hero[/sp]
[QUOTE=Sardonus;35158275]hey howdy look how interesting this is[/QUOTE]
Apparently it says that no matter if [sp]Shepard lives or dies[/sp].
Seems like it's just left over code from ME2.
Huh. This video is really well put together.
[video=youtube;Tbghjn7_Byc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbghjn7_Byc&feature=BFa&list=UUecc5aSzaHp_NNauglFlzcw&lf=plcp[/video]
I wish it were true. But I think it gives Bioware a little too much credit.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;35158527]Huh. This video is really well put together.
[video=youtube;Tbghjn7_Byc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbghjn7_Byc&feature=BFa&list=UUecc5aSzaHp_NNauglFlzcw&lf=plcp[/video]
I wish it were true. But I think it gives Bioware a little too much credit.[/QUOTE]
It reminds me of when in TF2 updates everyone goes on and on about how professional trolls Valve are, but it's really just fans interpret so much
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35158022]Relevant:
[thumb]http://i.imgur.com/1piT7.gif[/thumb][/QUOTE]
Banshee's in MP, hardest enemy without rockets
My new favorite Ending hate speech, and why it condones Genocide
[QUOTE][sp]This is not meant to be nice. This is meant to be a blunt, honest, and to the point assessment - because everyone seems to be trying to avoid the Elephant in the room.
Mass Effect's Ending attempts to condone and justify genocide. This is why it is almost universally reviled.
The one common element in all the endings is that you will meet an entity known as the "Catalyst". Set aside all of the other plot holes and minor complaints, and focus on the Catalyst for now.
This is the entity that created the Reapers. This is the entity that is directly responsible for the genocide of multiple sentient races over tens of thousands of years. It is his fault that Earth, Palaven, Thessia, and the Galaxy is burning.
The Catalyst is in fact a war criminal on a scale worse than any of our own real-world tyrants. Hitler's gas chambers, Genghis Khan's campaigns of extermination, and Tamerlene's pyramid of skulls is nothing compared to what the Reapers have done. That it tries to disguise itself as a young child does nothing to exonerate it of the magnitude of its crimes - it's actually sickening. It's like Hitler having plastic surgery to look like an innocent child.
Even worse, this is an entity that attempts to justify its genocidal actions - in a way that is bluntly little different from the real world genocide of the Jews.
It uses euphemisms to describe mass murder. It uses the term "Chaos" to describe people, as though they are a problem and not living, breathing, beings. It calls its actions a "Solution", just as the certain people called the Holocaust their "Final Solution". It even goes as far as calling the the liquification of corpses into Reaper components as "Ascension", no different from how the Concentration Camps collected the hair and skin of the dead victims to use as furniture components.
Even worse, the premise of the Catalyst is fundamentally a racist premise. It boils down to "Organics and Synthetics are so different that they will always end up destroying each other". Really? You are now judged by your component parts - metal or protein - instead of the content of your character? How offensive would it be in real life to hear someone say you should be judged by the color of your skin?
To top it all off, the player is not allowed to question its actions. It must stand idly by and accept its justifications. You are not allowed to tell it that is wrong. Mac Walters and Casey Hudson actually thought this was a good thing too, as noted here in the "Final Hours":
Mac Walters on the Star Child/Reapers
"Originally, with the catalyst, the star child at the end of the game, I had written that much more in the guise of a investigative style conversation, where there is something he tells you but then, you get to ask a bunch of questions and you get your questions answered. But then me and Casey talked and decided, lets keep the conversation "High level". Give you the details that you need to know, but don't get into the stuff that you don't need to know. Like "How long have they been reaping?" You don't need to know the answers to the mass effect universe. So we intentionally left those out"
But given that they were planning to allow the player to ask only softball questions ("How long have you been reaping?", as opposed to "Why did you not seek a different solution that did NOT involve mass murder?"), they were apparently so in love with their "Genocide is justifiable!" ending that they didn't think it was a big deal.
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But it gets even worse. You are not simply prevented from telling the Catalyst that it is wrong. You are also forced to go along with its next plan - its next "solution".
This is why the most popular alternate ending thus far is the "I refuse all of your options" ending. Players would seriously rather have the entire galaxy wiped out than be forced to serve the Catalyst.
And you know what? Because they are absolutely right.
Genocide is wrong. Period. There is no room for debate. Nothing can justify what the Catalyst did, no matter how much it claims it's so much smarter than all of us. No matter how much Mac Walters thinks its smarter than all of us.
And this is ironically a lesson that the rest of the series spends so much time teaching us. It shows us that even beings of another races are people "just like us" with their own hopes and dreams. It doesn't matter if the Elcor are big and look funny. We love them because they have art, and culture, and feelings too, even if we cannot fully comprehend it like they do.
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This is why the ME3 ending was a total and abject failure. It is not art. It is not deep. It is offensive.
It is about a brat AI proudly explaining his Mein Kampf. That people should be judged along racial lines: Organic vs Synthetic. And that because of these racial lines, he was totally justified in committing genocide over, and over, and over again.
And the player is forced to become one of the pawns in his game. That is why players hate the ending; and why the most popular "alternative" ending is one wherein the player completely and totally rejects the Catalyst's "options", even if it means certain military defeat.
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[Also... since some people will argue "But the Catalyst is correct about organics and synthetics!"
The Catalyst was in fact completely and totally wrong. Just because it says it's correct does not mean it is true. That is the trick used by propagandists everywhere.
Instead, what people should do is to analyze the strength of its arguments. And frankly, anyone with some common sense would realize that this is a very weak argument.
There is nothing that inherently forces Organics and Synthetics to fight each other. Races and people fight all the time. Turians make war on Krogans. Krogans make war on Salarians. Even without synthetics there will still be conflict in the universe.
However, the Catalyst's premise is that there is a divide between Synthetics and Organics, and that they are "fated" to kill each other. That's not a sound argument. That's just racist ideology. Again that's just judging people based on their component parts - metal or protein - rather than the strength of their character. Only a racist in the real world would claim that your character is dictated by the color of your skin, just as the Catalyst's grand assertion that being a Synthetic or an Organic hard-wires you down a particular path is no less racist.
And ironically, you can in fact forge an alliance between an organic and Synthetic race (Quarians and Geth) within the game - proving that the divide between the two is nothing more than a lie.
Therefore, what the Catalyst is saying is not factual. Just because it says "the cycle will continue" without its intervention does not make it true. It's just an arrogant being who is trying to play God, and which has killed trillons of sentient beings in the name of upholding its flawed premise.][/sp][/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;35158527]Huh. This video is really well put together.
[video=youtube;Tbghjn7_Byc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbghjn7_Byc&feature=BFa&list=UUecc5aSzaHp_NNauglFlzcw&lf=plcp[/video]
I wish it were true. But I think it gives Bioware a little too much credit.[/QUOTE]
I honestly think (and hope to Odin) that it's true, but we'll see soon enough if it is or not, just have to wait.
[QUOTE=Sardonus;35158599]My new favorite Ending hate speech, and why it condones Genocide[/QUOTE]
So Space Hitler?
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;35158527]Huh. This video is really well put together.
[video=youtube;Tbghjn7_Byc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbghjn7_Byc&feature=BFa&list=UUecc5aSzaHp_NNauglFlzcw&lf=plcp[/video]
I wish it were true. But I think it gives Bioware a little too much credit.[/QUOTE]
GAH! All these theories about the ending is hyping me up for whatever they release.... If they do release it and the actual ending comes out and isn't shit.... I would call that one of the best mindfuck in a game.
[QUOTE=Broguts;35158632]I honestly think (and hope to Odin) that it's true, but we'll see soon enough if it is or not, just have to wait.[/QUOTE]
All I know is that Bioware's continued insistence on vague, cryptic responses is hurting them more and more each day. I know that their PR agents can't exactly come out and say specifics so I won't blame them for it...but Bioware themselves need to have a statement, and soon.
I know the game just came out in Japan yesterday but I've honestly never seen a fanbase this infuriated before, nor have I seen so many separate areas of the internet unite against a common..."foe" for lack of a better word. The gaming publications deciding to label us as complainers are only adding fuel to the fire, and the recently released "Final Hours of ME3" was the last straw for a lot of people.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;35158527]Huh. This video is really well put together.
[video=youtube;Tbghjn7_Byc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tbghjn7_Byc&feature=BFa&list=UUecc5aSzaHp_NNauglFlzcw&lf=plcp[/video]
I wish it were true. But I think it gives Bioware a little too much credit.[/QUOTE]
I really hope this is true too. All the hints and symbolism seem...I dunno, I guess not quite subtle enough to be just us reading too much into them. We'll just have to wait and see.
[img]http://filesmelt.com/dl/Bioware.jpg[/img]
I can bioware
[QUOTE=Sardonus;35158599]My new favorite Ending hate speech, and why it condones Genocide[/QUOTE]
Glad I am not the only one that tough that. That ending was shit, and if they don't make a DLC that make it seem like it was a dream or something else where the reapers tricked Shepard, then I will burn down bioware.
Can someone tell me about Marauder Shields?
[url]http://www.gamefront.com/rumor-mass-effect-3-dlc-the-truth-due-in-april/[/url]
we callin' bullshit on this, or no?
[QUOTE]The ending was half-assed because of the leak. They changed it at the last minute so they could have more time to prepare the real ending via DLC.
It’s called The Truth and it’s being released in April or May. You WILL be able to continue the story if you picked any of the endings. Your decision during that sequence will have a big effect on your ending of The Truth. The Truth adds two new sets of enemies, new classes, and multiplayer maps including “Firebase Hive”, which is a small area of the last remaining collector ship included in the DLC, which, by the way you should definitely bring Javik the Prothean along if you have him.
The picture here shows some of the leaked multiplayer classes and races. One race that isn’t shown is the Prothean Adept and Vanguard. This DLC also enables the ability for owners of the preorder and From Ashes DLC to find their DLC weapons in reinforcement packs.
All that content, and this might as well be labeled an expansion pack.
And it’s free.
You’re welcome.[/QUOTE]
[editline]16th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=RG4;35158737]Can someone tell me about Marauder Shields?[/QUOTE]
Final Boss of the Mass Effect universe.
Alright so a lot of the GAWAssets were 0 so I doubled all values of everyone with a number that can be doubled. Some 0s are still included but thats just to make it easier if you decided to copy and paste, otherwise wait for me to upload another coalesced.
[url]http://www.pastebin.ca/2128554[/url]
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You can always add more yourself but this should be more than enough to boost your readiness if you don't want to play MP or plan to play very little MP.
[QUOTE=RG4;35158737]Can someone tell me about Marauder Shields?[/QUOTE]
He is the final boss of the game. That last enemy who tried to stop you from experiencing the shitty ending. He fired a warning shot at you to scare you away. And then you disregarded it and killed him.
He was only trying to save you from the pain and anger, and you killed him for it.
[QUOTE=GetBent;35158757]He is the final boss of the game. That last enemy who tried to stop you from experiencing the shitty ending. He fired a warning shot at you to scare you away. And then you disregarded it and killed him.
He was only trying to save you from the pain and anger, and you killed him for it.[/QUOTE]
I feel bad now
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