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The [sp]Catalyst[/sp] has earned the nickname "Task Manager", because it gives you the option [sp]of controlling the Reapers, altering them, or deleting them. In other words CTRL+ALT+DELETE.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Jackald;35162712]Technically, wouldn't the ULTIMATE PARAGON be [sp]Waiting and not picking any choice, allowing the reapers to destroy the crucible, allowing the next cycle to win due to liara's info box and crucible plans?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Because the messages the Prothean's left worked out so well!
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[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;35162996]None of the endings are paragon.
[sp]Control is clearly renegade as it lets you solve the problem and control te Reapers.
Synergy is retarded and doesn't make any fucking sense. You're also robbing the entire galaxy of free will.
Destroy is genocide of the Geth.
Plus every ending ends up with 99% of advanced life being FUCKED anyway so there's no point in arguing over which is the "best" or most paragon choice.[/sp] They're all shitty and dumb and based on flawed logic.[/QUOTE]
Wouldn't [sp] destroy be paragon if you didn't manage to save the geth in the first place? Also, synergy made enough sense to me. [/sp]
[QUOTE=Waluigi;35163171]Because the messages the Prothean's left worked out so well!
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Wouldn't [sp] destroy be paragon if you didn't manage to save the geth in the first place? Also, synergy made enough sense to me. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]They left the message with the plans for the Crucible on it, that did help quite much.[/sp]
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Also, it's [sp].
[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;35163194][sp]They left the message with the plans for the Crucible on it, that did help quite much.[/sp]
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Also, it's [sp].[/QUOTE]
But, if the ending they were talking about had happened, [sp] it would have meant that everyone was dead, and the next cycle would just have the same messages to go on, meaning that nothing would have really changed. [/sp]
[QUOTE=JesterUK;35161819]So what determines the squad members with Joker at the end?
[sp]I chose the destory ending on my first playthrough. I romanced Liara and took Liara and Kaiden on the final mission. On my second playthrough I chose the control ending. I romanced nobody and took Garrus and Javik on the final mission.
And at the end of both playthroughs Liara and Javik stepped out of the Normandy with Joker.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I romanced Liara the whole series, took Kaidan and Vega to the Conduit. I chose destroy the Reapers. At the end, it's Joker, Liara and Vega for me.[/sp]
[sp] Whelp. After following the Ashley route and saving the Council from [I]Donnel[/I] Udina, I made a 180 and hit Steve Cortez up on his drink offer. [/sp] A friend of mine pulled a pearl of a comment from no other than 4chan /v or maybe /vg IDGAS.[sp] Apparently it's hard to avoid the gay romances in conversations.[/sp] [sp] The fucking game basically gives you the option of "I have been waiting for the right man/woman. And after that you can still friendzone him [/sp] But it's understandable, the line between man and woman seems to get a bit blurry on 4chan.
[QUOTE=Waluigi;35163209]But, if the ending they were talking about had happened, [sp] it would have meant that everyone was dead, and the next cycle would just have the same messages to go on, meaning that nothing would have really changed. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Liara has buried the box containing the schematics on many planets, the next cycle had a better chance of finding it earlier. Also, they already know what the Catalyst is, the next cycle doesn't have to look after it. The search for the Catalyst delayed progress on the Crucible, allowing the Reapers to "tow" the Citadel away.[/sp]
[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;35163273][sp]Liara has buried the box containing the schematics on many planets, the next cycle had a better chance of finding it earlier. Also, they already know what the Catalyst is, the next cycle doesn't have to look after it. The search for the Catalyst delayed progress on the Crucible, allowing the Reapers to "tow" the Citadel away.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] But the Protheans knew what the Catalyst was as well, and not to mention that the Reapers found out what it was at the end, so they would keep a much closer eye on it in the future. [/sp]
[QUOTE=Waluigi;35163290][sp] But the Protheans knew what the Catalyst was as well, and not to mention that the Reapers found out what it was at the end, so they would keep a much closer eye on it in the future. [/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]If I remember correctly, the Prothean VI said that they were too late about finding out what the Catalyst was too.[/sp]
[QUOTE=VistaPOWA;35163273][sp]Liara has buried the box containing the schematics on many planets, the next cycle had a better chance of finding it earlier. Also, they already know what the Catalyst is, the next cycle doesn't have to look after it. The search for the Catalyst delayed progress on the Crucible, allowing the Reapers to "tow" the Citadel away.[/sp][/QUOTE]
How DID the Reapers [sp]move the Citadel to Earth in such a short time? We're talking, at most, a day or two from when you leave the Citadel to when you can hit the Cerberus HQ.[/sp]
[QUOTE=JesterUK;35161819]So what determines the squad members with Joker at the end?
[sp]I chose the destory ending on my first playthrough. I romanced Liara and took Liara and Kaiden on the final mission. On my second playthrough I chose the control ending. I romanced nobody and took Garrus and Javik on the final mission.
And at the end of both playthroughs Liara and Javik stepped out of the Normandy with Joker.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I restarted at the Citadel and chose the Synthesis option and this time it was Joker, EDI and Javik at the end. I'm guessing you always get EDI with the Synthesis option?[/sp]
[sp]Even if the next cycle were informed about the citadel being a mass relay for the Reapers, what good would it do? The only solution they would have would be to destroy the citadel. But they would also need the citadel to destroy the Reapers with the Crucible. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.[/sp]
Gabe of PA's thoughts on the ending, which I totally agree with and have been trying to say this whole time (but to no avail because god forbid an ending be sad or bleak!)
[sp]I will be discussing my thoughts on the ending of Mass Effect 3.
****SPOILERS!***
I chose the “green” ending and felt very satisfied with the conclusion. After wrapping it up I decided to go online and figure out what everyone seemed to be so upset about. This article on Gamefront seems to do the best job of summing up all the complaints. I’ll just go down the line and try and cover each of the five points listed there:
Brevity
The claim here is that five years worth of gaming is wrapped up in a ten minute cut scene. I guess this comes down to when you think the ending starts. Like Tycho, I consider Mass Effect 3 to be “the ending”. The game starts with Earth under attack and from that point on it’s a mad dash to try and stop the Reapers. I’d argue that if you like ME3 then you liked the ending.
It’s Confusing
“I made some synthetics to kill you every 50k years so you would not be killed by synthetics”
That’s a funny line but it’s not actually what’s happening in Mass Effect. The AI who created the Reapers is not killing all organic life. He is actually “pruning” it so as to avoid the destruction of all organic life. By removing the most evolved species and preserving them inside the Reapers he is saving all the still developing organic life. From his point of view it is either go in every 50k years and absorb the most advanced civilizations so that organic life will still exist or do nothing and watch Synthetics stamp out all organic life forever.
Now he knows that even if he explains this to people they will not just line up to march into his giant alien chipper shredders. So his solution is a messy one but from his point of view, a few years of struggling is much more humane than losing all organic life forever. What he’s doing makes perfect sense if you’re an incalculably old artificial intelligence.
Lore Errors and Plot Holes
I don’t know much about this one. I’m just not a big enough ME fan to know what’s supposed to happen when a Mass Relay explodes.
What I do know is that you can let yourself get bogged down by details like how long a Star Destroyer is or how many innocent people Luke murdered when he destroyed the Death Star, or you can try and enjoy it knowing that it all doesn’t match up perfectly.
Key Philosophical Themes Are Discarded
I have to be honest, I don’t really understand this one. It sounds like the inevitable destruction of organic life by Synthetics somehow negates all the “key themes” of the series. I’m not sure why that is.
It’s true that this cycle is fucked. The entire alliance fleet is stranded around Earth now with no way to get back to their home planets. At least in my game the Krogans want to kill everyone and Shepard is dead. So our fearless commander did not save this cycle but he did save all future cycles (at least in my “green” ending) and that should count for something.
The fact is this story takes place at a statistically fucked point in time. Every 50k years these monsters come and wipe out a bunch of civilizations. This generation got dealt a shit hand, no doubt about it. But I consider the breaking of the cycle to be a happy ending still.
For me the final scene of Joker and EDI stepping out of the ship into that jungle planet was very powerful. A new Adam and Eve in their Garden of Eden.
Player Choice Is Completely Discarded
Again if ME3 is the “ending” then I was making choices the entire time right up until the last second. I chose the “green” ending and I picked that out of three options. Were the other options similar to mine? I don’t know, I didn’t pick them. I made my final choice and put the cap on MY Mass Effect story. Obviously I can go online and look at all the other options but now we’re talking about sausage making. I imagine that once you look behind that curtain a lot of “choices” in Mass Effect will break down. I think what Bioware does is make incredible games that give the illusion of real choice. I mean let’s be honest. Mass Effect is a very cool choose your own adventure book. “Do you kill the Geth? If so turn to page 22.”
The book has been written and you can change the way you read it but don’t pretend you’re the author.
-Gabe out[/sp]
[QUOTE][sp]For me the final scene of Joker and EDI stepping out of the ship into that jungle planet was very powerful. A new Adam and Eve in their Garden of Eden.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]I wonder how he expects a guy with genetic boneitis and a fucking robot to repopulate our species.[/sp]
Great he clearly says he doesn't know much of the lore and isn't really much of a mass effect fan. Although he's entitled to his opinion it's about as informed as asking my 9 year old cousin about his opinion on world politics.
Personally I wouldn't mind the dark ending if it made sense.
It has probably been posted, but I just realized the connections.
My theory is that Liara's grandfather is Wrex. When you speak with Aria in ME2 and Wrex in ME1 they will tell a story how they met up (but no actual names are said) and had a standoff due to Wrex being a bounty hunter and got a contract on Aria.
Liara's father mentions her father having scars from the Rachni Wars (Wrex) and her mother being an asasi commando (Aria). Does all this make sense to you?
[QUOTE=Ridge;35163428][sp]I wonder how he expects a guy with genetic boneitis and a fucking robot to repopulate our species.[/sp][/QUOTE]Battlestar Galactica did it(minus the boneitis)
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35163372]Gabe of PA's thoughts on the ending, which I totally agree with and have been trying to say this whole time (but to no avail because god forbid an ending be sad or bleak!)
-snip-[/QUOTE]
I think the only thing I agree with him on is that the entirety of the game was an ending to the series. The problem is that the ending of Mass Effect 3, not just the trilogy itself, is a massive failure. Very few people care that the ending was depressing and if you look at ANY well thought out discussion, having a "happy ending" is a trivial issue.
The ending does. not. make. sense. It introduces more questions and plotholes than I started the game with, it goes COMPLETELY against Shepard's character, and there is zero closure. None. Oh, and it essentially invalidates almost everything you did in Mass Effect 3 and the two games prior.
Why do people not get this?
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35163451]Great he clearly says he doesn't know much of the lore and isn't really much of a mass effect fan. Although he's entitled to his opinion it's about as informed as asking my 9 year old cousin about his opinion on world politics.
Personally I wouldn't mind the dark ending if it made sense.[/QUOTE]
it makes perfect sense to me. he never says he isn't a "fan" of mass effect, he clearly is. he played all three games, how much more is there to it. He's not a big enough fan to pick out every single idiotic plot hole is all he says.
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[QUOTE=Jackald;35163460]His argument that the whole of ME3 is an ending would make sense if all of the decisions in ME3 contributed to the ending. They do not.
[sp]
It's not like we leave Tali and the Geth on the homeworld with that conflict resolved and we know they'll live there happily, or we know that the krogan are fucked because Shepard betrayed them due to your choices. No no, none of ME3 matters. None of ME1 or 2 matters. None of ANY OF THE GAME matters.[/sp]
Someone could play the last 10 minutes having not played any of the prior 150 hours of gameplay and still get the exact same ending as someone who's spent 500 hours replaying the games.
THAT is fucked.[/QUOTE]
you are TOTALLY missing the point that he is saying the entire game is the ending not just the last 10 minutes
[QUOTE=Haxxer;35163453]It has probably been posted, but I just realized the connections.
My theory is that Liara's grandfather is Wrex. When you speak with Aria in ME2 and Wrex in ME1 they will tell a story how they met up (but no actual names are said) and had a standoff due to Wrex being a bounty hunter and got a contract on Aria.
Liara's father mentions her father having scars from the Rachni Wars (Wrex) and her mother being an asasi commando (Aria). Does all this make sense to you?[/QUOTE]
A little. Only Liara's mother is in the last stage of her life and Aria isn't. Thus Aria can't be the mother of Liara's mother.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35163475]I think the only thing I agree with him on is that the entirety of the game was an ending to the series. The problem is that the ending of Mass Effect 3, not just the trilogy itself, is a massive failure. Very few people care that the ending was depressing and if you look at ANY well thought out discussion, having a "happy ending" is a trivial issue.
The ending does. not. make. sense. It introduces more questions and plotholes than I started the game with, it goes COMPLETELY against Shepard's character, and there is zero closure. None. Oh, and it essentially invalidates almost everything you did in Mass Effect 3 and the two games prior.
Why do people not get this?[/QUOTE]
the ending isn't depressing at all if you actually think about it, and it doesn't invalidate anything.
and the only reason anyone here knows that their ending results in the same 3 different very similar endings is because they bothered to go look the other endings up online, rather than accepting their ending was the ending of their experience.
[QUOTE=Haxxer;35163453]It has probably been posted, but I just realized the connections.
My theory is that Liara's grandfather is Wrex. When you speak with Aria in ME2 and Wrex in ME1 they will tell a story how they met up (but no actual names are said) and had a standoff due to Wrex being a bounty hunter and got a contract on Aria.
Liara's father mentions her father having scars from the Rachni Wars (Wrex) and her mother being an asasi commando (Aria). Does all this make sense to you?[/QUOTE]
How long does Krogans live? Problem is that Liara is like 100+ years old.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;35163502]How long does Krogans live? Problem is that Liara is like 100+ years old.[/QUOTE]
Krogans can live longer than a thousand years. Warlord Okeer lived atleast 1050 years and he died because he was killed, not of age.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35163494]the ending isn't depressing at all if you actually think about it, and it doesn't invalidate anything.
and the only reason anyone here knows that their ending results in the same 3 different very similar endings is because they bothered to go look the other endings up online, rather than accepting their ending was the ending of their experience.[/QUOTE]
Then your saying we should just be ignorant of the other variations of the ending?
well yes, because they are not YOUR ending. You didn't chose the other endings, so how is what happens in them in any way relevant to you?
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35163494]the ending isn't depressing at all if you actually think about it, and it doesn't invalidate anything.
and the only reason anyone here knows that their ending results in the same 3 different very similar endings is because they bothered to go look the other endings up online, rather than accepting their ending was the ending of their experience.[/QUOTE]
You just don't get it, do you?
Why WOULDN'T I want to know the other possible endings? This series sells itself on the choices you make, with Casey Hudson and Michael Gamble making explicit promises that there would be wildly varying endings that don't leave any questions unanswered. They did the exact opposite.
I think the best part of the endings is that they could have easily not have been shitty. But of course... :v:
The ending wouldn't be half as bad if they gave you some slideshow of how your choices affected the different races and characters, kinda like in Fallout: New Vegas.
But no, even that is to much effort
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35163538]well yes, because they are not YOUR ending. You didn't chose the other endings, so how is what happens in them in any way relevant to you?[/QUOTE]
Actually I've done a destroy run through, and a synthesis run through with different sheps and now doing another which will end with control. The endings are all relevant to me.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;35163502]How long does Krogans live? Problem is that Liara is like 100+ years old.[/QUOTE]
I think it depends on the Krogan, in ME2 Okeer has been around since the Krogan Rebellions
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