Mass Effect Megathread: DING DONG BANNU edition - Games

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164596]genre conventions work but so what? since when was innovation a bad thing[/QUOTE] Except it isn't innovation because it objectively fails at what Bioware said they would do. They said that it would not be an ending where you could say "that's ending A or B or C". What do you know? Right there. Ending A, B and C. That's clear contradiction right there.

[QUOTE=Cone;35164791]Except it isn't innovation because it objectively fails at what Bioware said they would do. They said that it would not be an ending where you could say "that's ending A or B or C". What do you know? Right there. Ending A, B and C. That's clear contradiction right there.[/QUOTE] Not to mention that they said it would be definitive and leave no loose ends etc.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164565]"give the people what they want." hahahaha what is this, call of duty?[/QUOTE] Well, if giving people what they want is apparently something to be abhorred now, why do people make games in the first place if they know nobody will enjoy them?

[QUOTE=JesterUK;35164780]No, it's common sense. Why would you not give your fans what they want?[/QUOTE] In fact, I think it would be common sense for the writer to write the ending of a masterpiece so it holds up together. At the moment, there's plenty of plot holes all over the place, nothing's clear, and it's stupid.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164700]I think in the context of mass effect, in my opinion, it would have just been silly. With how bleak everything is leading up to the ending, for the actual ending to just be "well it was bad but we're all okay now! tim 2 rebuidl!" would be a joke.[/QUOTE] I don't disagree with you, TIM would make a horrible end-boss, the only good end-boss would be Harbinger and because his role in ME3 kinda disappeared even then it wouldn't be really good idea to make him the end boss.

[QUOTE=Feuver;35164744]Yeah, I can tell you. [sp]Synthesis is fucking space magic that changes the DNA of every living beings in the universe, turning machines into organics (NO FUCKING SENSE) and organics into mechanics (SOME SENSE). Plus, everybody has a green glow circuit board on their skin, plants too? Can you take that seriously? How does pure energy changes every single living entity in the universe's DNA without doing some major fuck up in the process? Do you even know some biology? Destroy is a definitely more viable option but it has three different renditions that just gives you either killing every single organic in the universe, killing every synthetics in the universe (Why again? Are all synthetics in the universe made of Reaper tech?) and a slightly better option where you can "take a breath at the end" which makes no sense because Shepard will still die anyway. (Magical teleportation back to Earth for the win, right?) Seriously, if you can make sense out of the ending, enlighten me, and the rest of the internet, because we sure can't piece everything together. [/sp][/QUOTE] technology beyond logical comprehension may as well be magic. if you told people 100 years ago you could store data on silicon they would say "NO FUCKING SENSE" as well, so that means nothing. I thought this was pretty well established (that reaper tech isn't bound to usual definitions of sci-fi) [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws[/url] think the last sequence of 2001 a space odyssey and the monolith [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Cone;35164802]Well, if giving people what they want is apparently something to be abhorred now, why do people make games in the first place if they know nobody will enjoy them?[/QUOTE] why do people make noise rock, why do people make abstract art? it's to make you actually think rather than just clap your hands, isn't it? [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Cone;35164791]Except it isn't innovation because it objectively fails at what Bioware said they would do. They said that it would not be an ending where you could say "that's ending A or B or C". What do you know? Right there. Ending A, B and C. That's clear contradiction right there.[/QUOTE] you're right but again I didn't read any preview coverage so that sort of bias as to how "good" the endings were "supposed" to be means nothing to me, and ultimately has no effect on what the actually ending is, so it is irrelevant. we're talking about the ending we got, not the one you were told you would get.

[QUOTE=Cone;35164791]Except it isn't innovation because it objectively fails at what Bioware said they would do. They said that it would not be an ending where you could say "that's ending A or B or C". What do you know? Right there. Ending A, B and C. That's clear contradiction right there.[/QUOTE] Well, they were honest on that one, the endings are not A, B and C. They're entirely diffirent. They're R, G and B, but, what makes it worse, [b]literally[/b].

[QUOTE=gudman;35164856]Well, they were honest on that one, the endings are not A, B and C. They're entirely diffirent. They're R, G and B, but, what makes it worse, [b]literally[/b].[/QUOTE] your objective opinion on the quality of the ending is literal?

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164808]technology beyond logical comprehension may as well be magic. if you told people 100 years ago you could store data on silicon they would say "NO FUCKING SENSE" as well, so that means nothing. I thought this was pretty well established (that reaper tech isn't bound to usual definitions of sci-fi) [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws[/url] think the last sequence of 2001 a space odyssey and the monolith [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] why do people make noise rock, why do people make abstract art? it's to make you actually think rather than just clap your hands, isn't it?[/QUOTE] Oh yeah, because the ending of 2001 space odyssey is similar to Mass Effect 3's ending? It doesn't even go deep. Besides, you didn't answer this : Do you really think energy could change the DNA of every single form of life in the universe without doing any single fuck ups in the process? Natural fucks up in genetics happens everyday, and you're telling me that a beam of energy could modify every single DNA in existence by copying Shepard's and putting it into everything? It's straight out magic.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164874]your objective opinion on the quality of the ending is literal?[/QUOTE] If we're talking about objectivity, Mass Effect 3's endings are, [I]objectively[/I], poorly written and thought out. Whether or not you like what they did is your opinion.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164874]your objective opinion on the quality of the ending is literal?[/QUOTE] They still lied, stop denying that shit. They said there wouldn't be 3 endings, and there's 3 endings.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164808]you're right but again I didn't read any preview coverage so that sort of bias as to how "good" the endings were "supposed" to be means nothing to me, and ultimately has no effect on what the actually ending is, so it is irrelevant. we're talking about the ending we got, not the one you were told you would get.[/QUOTE] And what we got caused plot-holes, which again, are essentially objectively a bad thing. I cannot name a single good thing about the ending that is not a matter of opinion and is an actual fact, yet I can with bad things.

doesn't even go deep hahaha. yeah I think it could because literally anything is possible. it's sci-fi [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws[/url] [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Feuver;35164899]They still lied, stop denying that shit. They said there wouldn't be 3 endings, and there's 3 endings.[/QUOTE] yeah like I said 20 times now I don't give a shit if they lied or not because i didn't read the preview coverage so none of that is relevant to me.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164905]doesn't even go deep hahaha. yeah I think it could because literally anything is possible. it's sci-fi [url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarke's_three_laws[/url] [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] yeah like I said 20 times now I don't give a shit if they lied or not because i didn't read the preview coverage so none of that is relevant to me.[/QUOTE] Oh wow, so you're being objective, then you're denying facts? Such a joke you turned out to be.

Is there any way you can unlock the N7 hoodie in the coalesced.ini? I haven't found anything yet and looking trough 50+ pages isn't a really something I wanna do.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164808]why do people make noise rock, why do people make abstract art? it's to make you actually think rather than just clap your hands, isn't it?[/QUOTE] Yeah, I appreciate that. But it's not the ending I wanted, and judging by the reactions of the rest of the fans, it's not the ending they wanted either.

[QUOTE=Cone;35164901]And what we got caused plot-holes, which again, are essentially objectively a bad thing. I cannot name a single good thing about the ending that is not a matter of opinion and is an actual fact, yet I can with bad things.[/QUOTE] "What I do know is that you can let yourself get bogged down by details like how long a Star Destroyer is or how many innocent people Luke murdered when he destroyed the Death Star, or you can try and enjoy it knowing that it all doesn’t match up perfectly." [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=JesterUK;35164933]Yeah, I appreciate that. But it's not the ending I wanted, and judging by the reactions of the rest of the fans, it's not the ending they wanted either.[/QUOTE] well you don't always get what you want? I don't know what to tell you [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Feuver;35164928]Oh wow, so you're being objective, then you're denying facts? Such a joke you turned out to be.[/QUOTE] what facts? that they lied and said the ending would be something different? I never denied they said those things, I just don't care. In fact I don't doubt they said those things, it still doesn't effect me.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164874]your objective opinion on the quality of the ending is literal?[/QUOTE] I am sorry, but I have to say that 'obfective' and 'opinion' are kind of antonymous to each other, just saying. And what's literal is the diffirence between the 'endings' - red one, blue one and green one. And just about nothing else, including any kind of common sense. Or, more like, lack of.

I meant subjective, sorry. [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] the literal difference is the implied impact on the universe, obviously.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164938]"What I do know is that you can let yourself get bogged down by details like how long a Star Destroyer is or how many innocent people Luke murdered when he destroyed the Death Star, or you can try and enjoy it knowing that it all doesn’t match up perfectly." [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] well you don't always get what you want? I don't know what to tell you [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] what facts? that they said the lying would be something different? I never denied they said those things, I just don't care. In fact I don't doubt they said those things, it still doesn't effect me.[/QUOTE] Yeah but the fact you don't care doesn't mean other people shouldn't. If you enjoyed the endings and like them as they are, stop telling everyone that they're idiots because they don't like it. If it's art as you say, then I don't like this "piece of art" crap, and a few thousands other people are really not amused by it too. I just want an ending that makes sense and that tells up explicitly what happens, that's not too much is it?

[QUOTE=JesterUK;35164933]Yeah, I appreciate that. But it's not the ending I wanted, and judging by the reactions of the rest of the fans, it's not the ending they wanted either.[/QUOTE] I agree, but honestly, this is the worst way to word an argument. It just makes us look like entitled, whiny pricks. What's REALLY wrong with the ending is that it's the sort of ending that would make more sense in a completely different sci-fi universe. It's the sort of thing that has absolutely no place in an epic space opera. People came for Star Wars, but it ended with 2001 A Space Odyssey (or more accurately, Deus Ex). And mixing different styles like that doesn't always work. In this case, it was destined to piss off nearly all of the diehard fans that have been following the series from the beginning.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164938] what facts? that they lied and said the ending would be something different? I never denied they said those things, I just don't care. In fact I don't doubt they said those things, it still doesn't effect me.[/QUOTE] Politicians must love you.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164938]"What I do know is that you can let yourself get bogged down by details like how long a Star Destroyer is or how many innocent people Luke murdered when he destroyed the Death Star, or you can try and enjoy it knowing that it all doesn’t match up perfectly." [/QUOTE] Actually, it would be more like after the Death Star blows up, we don't get to find out what happens to Luke or any of the main cast, nor do we see the galaxy celebrating a new lease on life, and some of the x-wing pilots who clearly died get teleported to some strange world. Something like that.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164938]"What I do know is that you can let yourself get bogged down by details like how long a Star Destroyer is or how many innocent people Luke murdered when he destroyed the Death Star, or you can try and enjoy it knowing that it all doesn’t match up perfectly."[/QUOTE] Right, except the length of a Star Destroyer and how many people died on the Death Star aren't [I]right fucking there in front of us,[/I] nor are those things literal holes in established reality. Also, there aren't twenty fucking different variations of these plot holes in Star Wars. You've got to draw the line of bad writing somewhere.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164967]I meant subjective, sorry. [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] the literal difference is the implied impact on the universe, obviously.[/QUOTE] Most on the species die off. In all three of them.

well no one liked a lot of great media when it was first released, so that's fine and well. all I'm saying about the other thing is you shouldn't let false promises effect your opinion on the ending. Sure, you could say Bioware is shit for over promising, but that shouldn't have any impact on your thoughts on the actual ending you got. For example, if a band promised a rock album but released a jazz album, it might very well still be a very cool jazz album. [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=gudman;35165028]Most on the species die off. In all three of them.[/QUOTE] you're assuming a lot.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35165006]Actually, it would be more like after the Death Star blows up, we don't get to find out what happens [B]to Shepard or[/B] any of the main cast, nor do we see the galaxy celebrating a new lease on life, and some of the x-wing pilots who clearly died get teleported to some strange world. Something like that.[/QUOTE] There's Shepard in Star wars :v:

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165038] you're assuming a lot.[/QUOTE] Wait a second, wasn't "art" supposed to make me think and assume according to it's lore? I do.

[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165038]well no one liked a lot of great media when it was first released, so that's fine and well. all I'm saying about the other thing is you shouldn't let false promises effect your opinion on the ending. Sure, you could say Bioware is shit for over promising, but that shouldn't have any impact on your thoughts on the actual ending you got. For example, if a band promised a rock album but released a jazz album, it might very well still be a very cool jazz album. [editline]16th March 2012[/editline] you're assuming a lot.[/QUOTE] The problem is the ending we were promised was amazing. The ending we got is not a cool jazz album, it's a shitty rip off from Deus Ex. Besides, if we can all assume the ending, then I also assume that everyone dies off.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35165006]Actually, it would be more like after the Death Star blows up, we don't get to find out what happens to Shepard or any of the main cast, nor do we see the galaxy celebrating a new lease on life, and some of the x-wing pilots who clearly died get teleported to some strange world. Something like that.[/QUOTE] yeah that ending is silly and it would be silly of mass effect to copy that. the death star in the 6th movie doesn't even blow up a single planet while the reapers destory a few dozen. there's a big difference.