[QUOTE=Feuver;35165062]The problem is the ending we were promised was amazing.
The ending we got is not a cool jazz album, it's a shitty rip off from Deus Ex.
Besides, if we can all assume the ending, then I also assume that everyone dies off.[/QUOTE]
well if you chose to assume everyone dies, then the ending being "bad" is all in your head, while someone else is assuming everyone lived. you're basically choosing to believe the ending is bad.
you were promised an amazing ending and didn't get what you wanted, while I was promised nothing and got an ending I'm satisfied with. I guess that's what it comes down to.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165063]yeah that ending is silly and it would be silly of mass effect to copy that. the death star in the 6th movie doesn't even blow up a single planet while the reapers destory a few dozen. there's a big difference.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but the endings are ripped off from Deus Ex, like literally. They copied another game, isn't that a bad sign to begin with?
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165038]well no one liked a lot of great media when it was first released, so that's fine and well.
all I'm saying about the other thing is you shouldn't let false promises effect your opinion on the ending. Sure, you could say Bioware is shit for over promising, but that shouldn't have any impact on your thoughts on the actual ending you got. For example, if a band promised a rock album but released a jazz album, it might very well still be a very cool jazz album.
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Except the ending still isn't any good when judged that way. It's supposed to be all deep and intelligent, when it is actually quite dumb. All you have to do is think about it for a few minutes, and you realize that it makes no sense at all.
[QUOTE=gudman;35165059]Wait a second, wasn't "art" supposed to make me think and assume according to it's lore? I do.[/QUOTE]
I honestly don't know what you're trying to say here.
Should I make a steam group for facepunch shepard ? So I can post the annoucement when I start streaming etc.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165093]well if you chose to assume everyone dies, then the ending being "bad" is all in your head, while someone else is assuming everyone lived. you're basically choosing to believe the ending is bad.
you were promised an amazing ending and didn't get what you wanted, while I was promised nothing and got an ending I'm satisfied with. I guess that's what it comes down to.[/QUOTE]
In fact, I didn't read any of the press before the game. I played Mass Effect 3 and I didn't know what to expect like you did.
I reached the ending and I was still pissed off. Also, how can you NOT assume everyone dies in each ending. I just want to know what's your version of the ending.
[QUOTE=Whatsinaname;35165097]Except the ending still isn't any good when judged that way. It's supposed to be all deep and intelligent, when it is actually quite dumb. All you have to do is think about it for a few minutes, and you realize that it makes no sense at all.[/QUOTE]
don't know what to tell you either it makes plenty of sense to me.
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165101]I honestly don't know what you're trying to say here.[/QUOTE]
Usually, a piece of art has a certain history/meaning attached behind it.
Of course, you can always judge a piece of art by the simple sense, see it, touch it, hear it, feel it or whatever, and it will be pretty.
But if you know that piece of art was based around the massacre of thousands, maybe it is pretty, but it's lore is describing something entirely different.
Anyway, I think that's what he meant. You're suppose to look all the sides of an art project before making an assumption. Of course, supposed doesn't mean you are forced to in any way...
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35164596]the endings are insanely different in how they theoretically impact the universe. you can't tell me [sp]synthesis is in any way similar to destroy[/sp][/QUOTE]
Actually, we can't tell you [i]anything[/i] about the [sp]synthesis[/sp] ending, because [i]we don't know what the fuck it actually did.[/i]
How in the world can you possibly support the ending? It tossed every philosophical theme of Mass Effect straight out the window in favor of a stupid last-minute plot device.
Ancient unexplained alien technology solving all problems? [i]That[/i] is your idea of [i]innovative???[/i]
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165125]don't know what to tell you either it makes plenty of sense to me.[/QUOTE]
That's it, I want to know what made sense to you. I can't make sense, it did to you. Please, enlighten me, it's been a few days and I didn't get over that shitty ending. If you've seen something amazing that we all missed, isn't it your duty to share it with everyone? To make a better understanding of this art you speak of?
I keep forgetting to ask, is there a "point of no return" in ME3 I should be aware of? Like where I can't freeroam anymore, or shouldn't? (Like in ME2 where if you kept doing missions your crew would die)
I mean obviously if I get a mission called Priority:Earth or something I'll know to save before, but The Reaper IFF and Ilos kinda caught me off guard in ME1 and 2.
[url]http://steamcommunity.com/groups/facepunchshepard[/url]
go go go
[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;35165165]I keep forgetting to ask, is there a "point of no return" in ME3 I should be aware of? Like where I can't freeroam anymore, or shouldn't? (Like in ME2 where if you kept doing missions your crew would die)
I mean obviously if I get a mission called Priority:Earth or something I'll know to save before, but The Reaper IFF and Ilos kinda caught me off guard in ME1 and 2.[/QUOTE]
Before attacking Priority:Cerberus base(or something), no time limit. You just have to do everything before that point. If you complete the game, you'll be teleported back to that point anyway. (The game autosaves at that point)
[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;35165165]I keep forgetting to ask, is there a "point of no return" in ME3 I should be aware of? Like where I can't freeroam anymore, or shouldn't? (Like in ME2 where if you kept doing missions your crew would die)
I mean obviously if I get a mission called Priority:Earth or something I'll know to save before, but The Reaper IFF and Ilos kinda caught me off guard in ME1 and 2.[/QUOTE]
You'll see it coming, don't worry.
[QUOTE=TunnelSnake;35165165]I keep forgetting to ask, is there a "point of no return" in ME3 I should be aware of? Like where I can't freeroam anymore, or shouldn't? (Like in ME2 where if you kept doing missions your crew would die)
I mean obviously if I get a mission called Priority:Earth or something I'll know to save before, but The Reaper IFF and Ilos kinda caught me off guard in ME1 and 2.[/QUOTE]
After the assault on the [sp]Cerberus HQ. You won't be able to go to any system other than Sol.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Feuver;35165111]In fact, I didn't read any of the press before the game. I played Mass Effect 3 and I didn't know what to expect like you did.
I reached the ending and I was still pissed off. Also, how can you NOT assume everyone dies in each ending. I just want to know what's your version of the ending.[/QUOTE]
[sp]Well obviously with sythesis, which is what I got (6120/2 war whatever), the reapers just fly away so that war is over. what most people are saying is that everyone dies off because the relays are gone so there are no resources and everyone basically starves. This is obviously not the case with humans at the very least because you see them post credits. as far as other races go, there are so many different possibilities that I haven't decided on a specific one, but in my eyes, there are many situations where the other races would survive. For example, there is tech to make other planets in the sol system inhabitable, so that isn't really a problem. There is also the possibility the other races made it out through the mass relays the same way the normandy did before they exploded. the possibilities are really endless in my eyes, so just saying for a fact "everyone is fucked" is silly, and a mindset taken on by people that WANT the ending to be worst case scenario just to justify their anger that the ending isn't happy.[/sp]
Cool beans thanks
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165101]I honestly don't know what you're trying to say here.[/QUOTE]
Pretty much this.
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why do people make noise rock, why do people make abstract art? it's to make you actually think rather than just clap your hands, isn't it?
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Yeah, it is, but then I'm going to assume wildly, but in the context of the lore. And according to my knowledge of the ME lore, most of the species die off regardless of what color I have chosen.
[QUOTE=Sector 7;35165155]Actually, we can't tell you [i]anything[/i] about the [sp]synthesis[/sp] ending, because [i]we don't know what the fuck it actually did.[/i]
How in the world can you possibly support the ending? It tossed every philosophical theme of Mass Effect straight out the window in favor of a stupid last-minute plot device.
Ancient unexplained alien technology solving all problems? [i]That[/i] is your idea of [i]innovative???[/i][/QUOTE]
well it clearly didn't solve all problems, just one single problem, that problem being the reason why the reapers were first created.
[editline]16th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=gudman;35165214]Pretty much this.
Yeah, it is, but then I'm going to assume wildly, but in the context of the lore. And according to my knowledge of the ME lore, most of the species die off regardless of what color I have chosen.[/QUOTE]
read my above post, then, because in my eyes there are many possibilities where they don't
[QUOTE=Jackald;35164998]Um, hi there, i've already made 3 of these:
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzoJ_GQkOcY[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdLvVhi9bjg[/media]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=szEVgUf3hqw[/media][/QUOTE]
ah, but those are all mass effect related things.
[B]YOU MUST THINK BIGGER![/B]
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165208][sp]Well obviously with sythesis, which is what I got (6120/2 war whatever), the reapers just fly away so that war is over. what most people are saying is that everyone dies off because the relays are gone so there are no resources and everyone basically starves. This is obviously not the case with humans at the very least because you see them post credits. as far as other races go, there are so many different possibilities that I haven't decided on a specific one, but in my eyes, there are many situations where the other races would survive. For example, there is tech to make other planets in the sol system inhabitable, so that isn't really a problem. There is also the possibility the other races made it out through the mass relays the same way the normandy did before they exploded. the possibilities are really endless in my eyes, so just saying for a fact "everyone is fucked" is silly, and a mindset taken on by people that WANT the ending to be worst case scenario just to justify their anger that the ending isn't happy.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]A problem in general is that I want to know why or how the Normandy had the time to fly away and get to a mass relay when the blast was so fast it covered the entire planet in mere seconds. The problem I have with Synthesis is the lack truth to biology, and you don't really know what it does to people. From what I heard, it's like a geth consensus between every single living organism in the world, which is just unbelievable.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165208][sp]Well obviously with sythesis, which is what I got (6120/2 war whatever), the reapers just fly away so that war is over. what most people are saying is that everyone dies off because the relays are gone so there are no resources and everyone basically starves. This is obviously not the case with humans at the very least because you see them post credits. as far as other races go, there are so many different possibilities that I haven't decided on a specific one, but in my eyes, there are many situations where the other races would survive. For example, there is tech to make other planets in the sol system inhabitable, so that isn't really a problem. There is also the possibility the other races made it out through the mass relays the same way the normandy did before they exploded. the possibilities are really endless in my eyes, so just saying for a fact "everyone is fucked" is silly, and a mindset taken on by people that WANT the ending to be worst case scenario just to justify their anger that the ending isn't happy.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Doesn't really explain the sheer stupidity of the whole Catalyst thing. Why is the Catalyst in the form of the child Shepard can't stop thinking about somehow? And his reason for the reapers is incredibly self righteous and dumb. "Organics will always go to war with synthetics, so I made synthetics to kill organics so they can't make synthetics that will go to war with them". What in the fuck is that? That is no justification for repeated galactic genocide. And what's more, I made peace between the Quarians and the Geth, ultimately proving him wrong anyway. And my Shepard didn't think to bring this up? Nope, he just went along with his bullshit plan to end the cycle.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165038]For example, if a band promised a rock album but released a jazz album, it might very well still be a very cool jazz album.
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For example if a game developer promises 16 different endings that make sense but releases 3 non-sense endings, it might very well still be a very cool non-sense ending.
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you strolling very close to trollin mister.
[QUOTE=Jackald;35165048][/QUOTE]
Squad Goal: Successful extraction from a Reaper-held zone at a Silver threat level or higher.
Squad Unlock: Your squad will be granted a Commendation Pack.
So does this mean a friends game or any squad
[QUOTE=Feuver;35165267][sp]A problem in general is that I want to know why or how the Normandy had the time to fly away and get to a mass relay when the blast was so fast it covered the entire planet in mere seconds. The problem I have with Synthesis is the lack truth to biology, and you don't really know what it does to people. From what I heard, it's like a geth consensus between every single living organism in the world, which is just unbelievable.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]My thought is that shep might have been knocked out (or whatever shep was) for a very long time, which means a lot could have happened between your decision and your arrival on the citadel, giving the ships plenty of time to attempt to retreat or I don't know what else. Perhaps, even, between the time you make your choice and how long it takes for the beam to hit earth/the relays could be who knows how long. There's no way of knowing, so no point in making baseless assumptions, imo
and yeah that might seem unbelievable but when you think about legion having a personality and such it seems perfectly reasonable to me.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165225]well it clearly didn't solve all problems, just one single problem, that problem being the reason why the reapers were first created.
[editline]16th March 2012[/editline]
read my above post, then, because in my eyes there are many possibilities where they don't[/QUOTE]
And that's what I hate the most about these endings (and just them, nothing about the fact that BW actually lied to us, screwed us over with "scrap the ending, let them speculate" etc.) is the fact that it doesn't explain nothing, it doesn't give us any kind of food for thought. [sp]Starkid lol, relays blown up, Stargazer told us a bedtime story.[/sp] There's nothing to assume, no ground for speculation. The lore of the unverse is destroyed, the rules are changed massively.
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35165282]For example if a game developer promises 16 different endings that make sense but releases 3 non-sense endings, it might very well still be a very cool non-sense ending.
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you strolling very close to trollin mister.[/QUOTE]
You think the endings are non sense but I don't. some people that wanted a rock album from a rock band but got a jazz one just wouldn't like the jazz album because they don't like jazz
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165208][sp]Well obviously with sythesis, which is what I got (6120/2 war whatever), the reapers just fly away so that war is over. what most people are saying is that everyone dies off because the relays are gone so there are no resources and everyone basically starves. This is obviously not the case with humans at the very least because you see them post credits. as far as other races go, there are so many different possibilities that I haven't decided on a specific one, but in my eyes, there are many situations where the other races would survive. For example, there is tech to make other planets in the sol system inhabitable, so that isn't really a problem. There is also the possibility the other races made it out through the mass relays the same way the normandy did before they exploded. the possibilities are really endless in my eyes, so just saying for a fact "everyone is fucked" is silly, and a mindset taken on by people that WANT the ending to be worst case scenario just to justify their anger that the ending isn't happy.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]The problem is that it isn't explained how the Synthesis ending changed organics and synthetics. Or how and why the Normandy was fleeing the battle in time to escape the explosion, or what happened to the fleets above earth, or whether or not your other squad members aside from the ones that came out of the normady survived, or how the two that did survive made it from earth to the normandy, or how shepard made it from the citadel back down to earth...[/sp]
[QUOTE=Vedicardi;35165318][sp]My thought is that shep might have been knocked out (or whatever shep was) for a very long time, which means a lot could have happened between your decision and your arrival on the citadel, giving the ships plenty of time to attempt to retreat or I don't know what else. Perhaps, even, between the time you make your choice and how long it takes for the beam to hit earth/the relays could be who knows how long. There's no way of knowing, so no point in making baseless assumptions, imo
and yeah that might seem unbelievable but when you think about legion having a personality and such it seems perfectly reasonable to me.[/sp][/QUOTE]
They were still talking about what just happened, so no, he wasn't knocked out for a very long time.
Anderson said he followed you in, why would he be standing around there that whole time?
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