How does BioWare explain this. No matter what ending you choose [sp]the mass relays get destroyed[/sp] but in ME2 it clearly states that if a [sp]mass relay is destroyed it wipes out the whole system it is in with the explosion, which is again proven by Arrival DLC and the Batarian colony. The explosion of all mass relays would wipe out pretty much most of the galaxy and it would destroy ALL the forces that came to Earth to fight[/sp]
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;35245114]How does BioWare explain this. No matter what ending you choose [sp]the mass relays get destroyed[/sp] but in ME2 it clearly states that if a [sp]mass relay is destroyed it wipes out the whole system it is in with the explosion, which is again proven by Arrival DLC and the Batarian colony. The explosion of all mass relays would wipe out pretty much most of the galaxy and it would destroy ALL the forces that came to Earth to fight[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Energy given off as explosion in arrival. But in ME3 this inherent mass relay energy is dispersed as what ever flavour space magic you pick[/sp]
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;35245114]How does BioWare explain this. No matter what ending you choose [sp]the mass relays get destroyed[/sp] but in ME2 it clearly states that if a [sp]mass relay is destroyed it wipes out the whole system it is in with the explosion, which is again proven by Arrival DLC and the Batarian colony. The explosion of all mass relays would wipe out pretty much most of the galaxy and it would destroy ALL the forces that came to Earth to fight[/sp][/QUOTE]
This is stupid people logic. For the love of fucking god please stop using it.
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;35245114]How does BioWare explain this. No matter what ending you choose [sp]the mass relays get destroyed[/sp] but in ME2 it clearly states that if a [sp]mass relay is destroyed it wipes out the whole system it is in with the explosion, which is again proven by Arrival DLC and the Batarian colony. The explosion of all mass relays would wipe out pretty much most of the galaxy and it would destroy ALL the forces that came to Earth to fight[/sp][/QUOTE]
Well, my guess is: [sp]The mass relays channels massive amounts of energy, however most of that energy is consumed when the signal is sent out and thus the channel destabilizes and the mass relay blows up, however since most of the energy has already been consumed the explosion is much smaller. [/sp]
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35244687]OH look IGN are still AGAINST gamer on the ending argument, what a surprise! IGN is Hippocracy made physical, they had one of their own presenters given a cameo part even though she has no voice acting experience. These two Colins are so arrogant, IGN think they are the kings of videogame reviews, but they are just a joke to me now:
[URL]http://uk.ign.com/videos/2012/03/21/mass-effect-3-a-dangerous-precedent[/URL]
The moron even says he doesn't want the plotholes filled because he likes the ending.[/QUOTE]
I'm betting they're only doing this because they're worried the fanbase might get Diana Allers out of the game seeing as how they're getting Bioware to listen in regards to changing stuff.
That or they're just not getting the hint, either way they're forcing themselves into a corner by spouting off claims nobody believes.
[QUOTE=darkrei9n;35245128]This is stupid people logic. For the love of fucking god please stop using it.[/QUOTE]
It's still a valid query, because we can't even explain what ever the space magic is made of.
[QUOTE=Feuver;35245532]It's still a valid query, because we can't even explain what ever the space magic is made of.[/QUOTE]
well I can bet it uses some sort of energy, and [sp]whatever the fuck it was that made the relays blow up presumably wasn't an infinite source of energy, so the beam firing and the small explosion afterwards probably used it all up
basically there wasn't enough energy for the supernova explosion if the space magic beam had to cross the entire galaxy as well as cause that small explosion[/sp]
[QUOTE=MiX-A;35245522][IMG]http://cdn.themis-media.com/media/global/images/library/deriv/85/85627.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
I can't see Krogan jizz being a particularly lucrative business.
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shepard is so excited about blasto 6
You're 100% supposed to get a N7 weapon from the Commendation crate, right? I didn't get one. What should I do?
[QUOTE=jiggu;35245132]Well, my guess is: [sp]The mass relays channels massive amounts of energy, however most of that energy is consumed when the signal is sent out and thus the channel destabilizes and the mass relay blows up, however since most of the energy has already been consumed the explosion is much smaller. [/sp][/QUOTE]
Even if that is true, there is still the fact that [sp]the entire force that came to Earth which is a shit ton of ships is stuck there. Mass relays are gone, and normal FTL travel could take decades to reach certain parts of the galaxy. So they're still screwed.[/sp]
[QUOTE=jp_rsardeto;35245688]You're 100% supposed to get a N7 weapon from the Commendation crate, right? I didn't get one. What should I do?[/QUOTE]
You sure you didn't and that it wasn't a Victory pack, Otherwise have a chat with EA
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;35245748]Even if that is true, there is still the fact that [sp]the entire force that came to Earth which is a shit ton of ships is stuck there. Mass relays are gone, and normal FTL travel could take decades to reach certain parts of the galaxy. So they're still screwed.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp]Perhaps they could land the larger ships on various planets and live inside those, taking small amounts of animals from Earth and starting up small colonies.
Surely Mars and Earth would be enough space, as well as any other terrestrial planets?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35245596]I can't see Krogan jizz being a particularly lucrative business.[/QUOTE]
Raw Salarian Liver is far more profitable.
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;35245748]Even if that is true, there is still the fact that [sp]the entire force that came to Earth which is a shit ton of ships is stuck there. Mass relays are gone, and normal FTL travel could take decades to reach certain parts of the galaxy. So they're still screwed.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Yep.
[QUOTE=Jackald;35245925]Honestly, most of the technology in Mass Effect makes sense or is explained. Some of it is a bit handwave-y and some of it seems a bit farfetched, but there's usually a reason or explanation for how it works, why it works, what it does etc.
Then, right at the end, they go [sp]"HEY HERE'S A BIG FUCKING MAGIC LASER SHOCKWAVE THAT CAN SOMEHOW DO 3 DISTINCT THINGS, EACH OF THEM PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE:
LET'S NOT EXPLAIN HOW IT WORKS!!!!!"[/sp][/QUOTE]
Most of it is based on the properties of eezo, which doesn't exist. But it's not implausible if an element like that [i]did[/i] exist - technically, nothing is really breaking any laws of physics.
My fiancee, who has played the previous two Mass Effects as well, finished the game last night. I walk in and asked how it was and she looked up at me and said "Why did they do that?"
That made me sad.
[QUOTE=Jackald;35245987]How exactly do you [sp]embed nanotechnology throughout every living thing in the galaxy (including a FUCKING ROCK at the end) via an energy wave?[/sp][/QUOTE]
No, I mean the other technologies aren't exactly implausible if the existence of eezo was given. It all follows a consistent set of rules and there are things that don't work or have undesirable results for various reasons. The ending shit doesn't make a lick of sense.
For example, relativistic effects are countered by reducing mass via a mass effect field, which is an acceptable way to get around how FTL travel breaks everything in real life. It essentially makes you more buoyant in the fourth dimension.
[QUOTE=ToXiCsoldier;35220473]Who is going to supply them eh?
[sp]Tuchanka is pretty much a barren rock were nothing (exept at korlus temple pehaps) grows and depends on supplies, and the Quarians on Rannoch have no food supply yet (unless there are still some lifeships, still not enough to feed them all tough) wich only the geth survive, Thessia is gone and most of the asari are with the invasion on Earth is were the humans are too, without supplies and Earth sowhat wasted in ashes.
So only the salarians have the highest chance to survive.
Oh and most colonies on the galaxy can't sustain themself yet and depend on supplies.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Thessia was attacked long after earth. As far as homeworlds go - Earth is by far the most devastated. Because it bore the brunt of the reaper armada.
FTL drives are still very much okay
Rannoch is essentially a paradise world at this moment with food the quarians can eat
Palaven still has a surviving population
Krogan on Tuchanka pretty much live on a diet of Varren anyway (which survive in the wasteland)
Thessia was in the first stages of the invasion
By far most asari are not on Earth. They have a population in the billions at minimum, trillions possibly
Batarians are not extinct either, there's enough refugees and military personell here and there. On top of that the species in ME can easily rebuild via cloning (salarians seem pretty good at it)
The salarian homeworld is pretty much untouched.
Hell they could probably reconstruct protheans from Javik and the remains on Illos and Eden prime.
Oh yes and each homeworld has at least one dead reaper which has a far more effective, dischargeless FTL drive.
[QUOTE=teh pirate;35245999]No, I mean the other technologies aren't exactly implausible if the existence of eezo was given. It all follows a consistent set of rules and there are things that don't work or have undesirable results for various reasons. The ending shit doesn't make a lick of sense.
For example, relativistic effects are countered by reducing mass via a mass effect field, which is an acceptable way to get around how FTL travel breaks everything in real life. It essentially makes you more buoyant in the fourth dimension.[/QUOTE]
Imho mass effect FTL drives create an alcubierre effect. Because even if you drop your mass to zero, you still have problems with causality. And that's pretty much a problem. (Ships would arrive before they ever left)
Basically mass effect galactic contact regressed. (not counting information based on QTEs)
They went from 21st century interconnectness to something like the 18th, 19th century. Contact is still possible, it just takes time. Trade is still very viable as well.
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[QUOTE=Jackald;35246112]I know how mass effect fields and mass jumps work, i'm just saying that when they put so much effort into plausible explanations, it's weird to suddenly have a [sp]big mcguffin which uses space magic[/sp][/QUOTE]
Yeah that isn't plausible by the established rules of Mass Effect. I worded my original response poorly, the ending is bullshit.
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[QUOTE=wraithcat;35246086]Imho mass effect FTL drives create an alcubierre effect. Because even if you drop your mass to zero, you still have problems with causality. And that's pretty much a problem. (Ships would arrive before they ever left)[/QUOTE]
It's possible this already happens to a degree in Mass Effect, just that, as the observer, it's not a noticeable effect, and given the vast distances in question, the difference isn't massive enough to cause major problems.
wtf is all this nerd shit?
[QUOTE=XanaToast.;35246280]wtf is all this nerd shit?[/QUOTE]
it's you
I thought the ending was okay.
[QUOTE=wraithcat;35246086]Thessia was attacked long after earth. As far as homeworlds go - Earth is by far the most devastated. Because it bore the brunt of the reaper armada.
FTL drives are still very much okay
Rannoch is essentially a paradise world at this moment with food the quarians can eat
Palaven still has a surviving population
Krogan on Tuchanka pretty much live on a diet of Varren anyway (which survive in the wasteland)
Thessia was in the first stages of the invasion
By far most asari are not on Earth. They have a population in the billions at minimum, trillions possibly
Batarians are not extinct either, there's enough refugees and military personell here and there. On top of that the species in ME can easily rebuild via cloning (salarians seem pretty good at it)
The salarian homeworld is pretty much untouched.
Hell they could probably reconstruct protheans from Javik and the remains on Illos and Eden prime.
Oh yes and each homeworld has at least one dead reaper which has a far more effective, dischargeless FTL drive.
Imho mass effect FTL drives create an alcubierre effect. Because even if you drop your mass to zero, you still have problems with causality. And that's pretty much a problem. (Ships would arrive before they ever left)
Basically mass effect galactic contact regressed. (not counting information based on QTEs)
They went from 21st century interconnectness to something like the 18th, 19th century. Contact is still possible, it just takes time. Trade is still very viable as well.[/QUOTE]
But all of your plans would require the relays. FTL travel would still take decades to get around from one system to another.
[QUOTE=Jackald;35246213]I agree with this.
yeah, but they require lots of fuel to travel relatively short distances, fuel which Earth probably doesn't have. Nope. The whole migrant fleet is fighting on Earth, or at least most of it is.
True, this point I will give you (though it's also been pretty glassed since it was hit almost as hard as Earth)
This won't last forever, especially if their population grows, which it will if you cured the genophage. Consider, if you will, what would happen if Earth suddenly had the internet stop working in 2012. Just stop working all of a sudden for no discernible reason. Now imagine that you can't leave your house. Now try to write a research paper on dolphins. This is the kind of situation the galaxy is in. With so much information being on the extranet (Which relies on comm buoys, which rely on mass relays) the only galactic communication is quantum entanglement devices. Cloning people under these conditions, especially when resources are impossible to transport in any timely fashion, is pretty much impossible.
Nope, there are news reports where they say the Reapers are at their door, just before you do the cerberus mission. The implication is it's starting to get glassed
How would that help?
Which, again, would take the brains of thousands of brilliant scientists working together to figure out. Hell, it took 2 years just to figure out how thanix cannons worked, and it's probably considerably simpler to figure out how a gun works than how an FTL drive works.[/QUOTE]
Actually most of reaper tech is probably fairly simple to understand. Just take into account the sheer speed humanity went from a pre-galactic civilisation to a civilisation with compareable technology and impact as civilisations that have been around for centuries in a very short span, just by discovering the prothean remains on mars.
An intact, albeit non functional reaper is probably a far bigger boon.
As far as Thanix cannons go - It's actually ludicrous how quickly the technology got widespread. Same goes for thermal clips used by the geth.
This shows insane prototyping and reverse engineer capabilities on the species in the universe. Imagine us finding completely new technology and having it in widespread use in under four years. That's how quickly those cannons spread.
On top of that, going by the codex entry, on how long it would take reapers to process humanity on Earth (one decade) we can assume that the loss of life wasn't so devastating either. It was horribly high obviously, but most likely under 200million. The citadel is a different matter though obviously.
As far as FTL and fuel go - fuel for FTL can be found on most planets (moon used to be a mining station) and gas giants offer it readily available.
On top of that, all species have up to date star charts, which means they know where fuel can be found. Most of the fuel infrastructure is fairly quick to reestablish and not all of it was destroyed by the reapers.
Honestly - the bigger issue most species have to worry is the massive eezo fallout on their planets from destroyed ships. That dreadnought in the very beginning on Earth - damn that won't be pretty in a decade
[quote]But all of your plans would require the relays. FTL travel would still take decades to get around from one system to another.[/quote]
Also the FTL in mass effect is not SLOW. It clocks at 12LY/24h. And that's for human ships. Quarians could probably get to rannoch in under 30 years.
On top of that reaper FTL clocks at 30LY/24h and needs no fuel and discharging. Honestly discharging is a bigger problem than fuel necessity. But most ships discharge in the atmosphere of planets because it's simple. You could probably do it with any stelar body. Just shoot a big cable at an asteroid and you're done.
People keep forgetting that relays seem to only be used to get from cluster to cluster. Intra cluster transit is done by conventional FTL.
[QUOTE=Jackald;35245925]Honestly, most of the technology in Mass Effect makes sense or is explained. Some of it is a bit handwave-y and some of it seems a bit farfetched, but there's usually a reason or explanation for how it works, why it works, what it does etc.
Then, right at the end, they go [sp]"HEY HERE'S A BIG FUCKING MAGIC LASER SHOCKWAVE THAT CAN SOMEHOW DO 3 DISTINCT THINGS, EACH OF THEM PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE:
LET'S NOT EXPLAIN HOW IT WORKS!!!!!"[/sp][/QUOTE]
Yup. Just proves that BioWare does not have really capable writers. We'll just put this here and put that there but there is no need to explain it! >_>
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