[QUOTE=H4wkeye;35289466]Then I'd go to ME team and rain havoc on the people responsible for the fuck up.[/QUOTE]
That's pretty harsh, besides, if it came up past you from your subordinates and you let it pass, you're just as much to blame.
Throwing around the blame as to "YOU RUINED THE ENDING" won't solve anything. Just fix it and move on instead of ranting and raging about how terrible a fuck-up it was.
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;35289512][img]http://jmstevenson.files.wordpress.com/2012/03/16776380.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
whoever made that image completely missed the point
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;35289466]He pretty much nailed it perfectly. Artistic integrity my ass, it's just a piss poor excuse. I would be ashamed to defend that shitty ending, even if I was the damn co-founder of the company. I'd apologize to the fans, tell them I'll fix it and ask them for patience and understanding. Then I'd go to ME team and rain havoc on the people responsible for the fuck up. He's just making a fool of himself by defending that debacle.[/QUOTE]
Calm the fuck down, jesus christ.
One of the Developers already issued an apology and said that they were working on a different resolution.
Also, even though the ending was rushed and apparently there were problems with the development it, you expect them to just throw up their hands and say
"you're all absolutely right, it was total shit and we shouldn't have done it in the first place"?
That would demonstrate a resounding lack of integrity on their part. The ending wasn't as catastrophically bad as people say it was in my opinion, and as strange as it was, they have a right to defend their work.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35289534]That's pretty harsh, besides, if it came up past you from your subordinates and you let it pass, you're just as much to blame.
Throwing around the blame as to "YOU RUINED THE ENDING" won't solve anything. Just fix it and move on instead of ranting and raging about how terrible a fuck-up it was.[/QUOTE]
Would be nice if they acknowledged that something is wrong here. I don't think that's happening for a while.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35289562]Would be nice if they acknowledged that something is wrong here. I don't think that's happening for a while.[/QUOTE]
They already did, they're making an announcement next month.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35289562]Would be nice if they acknowledged that something is wrong here. I don't think that's happening for a while.[/QUOTE]
For FUCKS SAKE they DID already.
[QUOTE=Framperton;35289561]Calm the fuck down, jesus christ.
One of the Developers already issued an apology and said that they were working on a different resolution.
Also, even though the ending was rushed and apparently there were problems with the development it, you expect them to just throw up their hands and say
"you're all absolutely right, it was total shit and we shouldn't have done it in the first place"?
That would demonstrate a resounding lack of integrity on their part. The ending wasn't as catastrophically bad as people say it was in my opinion, and as strange as it was, they have a right to defend their work.[/QUOTE]
I think folks are more baffled by the idea that anyone is actually defending the ending. I admire Bioware for the fantastic job they did with the first 99% of the game, but the ending is just inexcusable on every single level.
To be perfectly honest, I have yet to see a single valid explanation in defense of the ending. Maybe that makes me an asshole, but I don't appreciate bullshit writing, especially when the writing that preceded it was so good.
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Framperton;35289572]For FUCKS SAKE they DID already.[/QUOTE]
Why are you so angry? To clarify, I'm looking for something of a solid response rather than what sounds like PR. Ray's reponse was certainly appreciated, though it didn't tell us much.
and to be perfectly honest, every second page you pop up with the "99 percent" argument and it's starting to annoy the shit out of me
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35289579]I think folks are more baffled by the idea that anyone is actually defending the ending. I admire Bioware for the fantastic job they did with the first 99% of the game, but the ending is just inexcusable on every single level.
To be perfectly honest, I have yet to see a single valid explanation in defense of the ending. Maybe that makes me an asshole, but I don't appreciate bullshit writing, especially when the writing that preceded it was so good.
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
Why are you so angry? To clarify, I'm looking for something of a solid response rather than what sounds like PR. Ray's reponse was certainly appreciated, though it didn't tell us much.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't pissed at you, just falllout from the first guy acting like a brat.
If you want a valid explanation, do a little research; there was apparently conflicts within the studio over the writing for the last bit, where the lead writer and one other writer refused peer review for the last bit. There was a big blow up at the Penny Arcade forums where a confirmed developer (his forum handle was Tachy-something or other) spoke on the matter. While it may not seem 'valid' reason, it does provide some insight as to what hapened.
Also, if you haven't already check out the Indoctrination Theory on youtube. If it's accurate, the ending makes a LOT more sense.
[QUOTE=Egevened;35289624]and to be perfectly honest, every second page you pop up with the "99 percent" argument and it's starting to annoy the shit out of me[/QUOTE]
It's utilizing hyperbole to prove a point. Mass Effect 3 isn't flawless (plenty of technical errors), but the vast, vast majority of it is very well put together, and clearly had a lot of thought put into it. I stand by my point.
[QUOTE=Framperton;35289494]No, I saw both of those scenes in my ending. The Reaper landing on the Taurian Deadnaught and the alliance fighter crash were both in my ending.[/QUOTE]
you only get that scene if you have too low war assets.
[QUOTE=Framperton;35289651]I wasn't pissed at you, just falllout from the first guy acting like a brat.
If you want a valid explanation, do a little research; there was apparently conflicts within the studio over the writing for the last bit, where the lead writer and one other writer refused peer review for the last bit. There was a big blow up at the Penny Arcade forums where a confirmed developer (his forum handle was Tachy-something or other) spoke on the matter. While it may not seem 'valid' reason, it does provide some insight as to what hapened.
Also, if you haven't already check out the Indoctrination Theory on youtube. If it's accurate, the ending makes a LOT more sense.[/QUOTE]
I like the indoctrination theory a lot, and I hope Bioware decides to run with it. But I don't believe it was intentional, at least not in regards to the final product. If it was intentional...then we're missing half the ending.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35289579]I think folks are more baffled by the idea that anyone is actually defending the ending. I admire Bioware for the fantastic job they did with the first 99% of the game, but the ending is just inexcusable on every single level. [/QUOTE]
I think the ending was a lot better than people are making it out to be.
I am rather sure that the ending was indoctrination, and they planned the post-ending dlc. my initial outrage is the fact that they tried this form of money guzzling with such a major title. like how they are trying to check how far can they go.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;35289673]you only get that scene if you have too low war assets.[/QUOTE]
Really?! GOD DAMNIT!
Now I'll have to play through it all again and make sure I do. Which isn't a bad thing.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35289691]I think the ending was a lot better than people are making it out to be.[/QUOTE]
And I completely and respectfully disagree. The deeper I look at it, the more failures I see.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35289408]Uh...no. Pretty sure they're using Mass Effect fields to explain how the fiction works.
Also, if you folks didn't see it on r/masseffect this morning, this guy does a fantastic job [URL="http://jmstevenson.wordpress.com/2012/03/22/all-that-matters-is-the-ending-part-2-mass-effect-3/"]discussing why the ending is shit.[/URL]
One of my favorite quotes from the article:[/QUOTE]
Right here, probably the best article I've seen on the ending.
Read it, all of you.
[QUOTE=Framperton;35289494]No, I saw both of those scenes in my ending. The Reaper landing on the Taurian Deadnaught and the alliance fighter crash were both in my ending.[/QUOTE]
That's odd. It wasn't like that for me, or at least I don't think it was. Who knows, it was the Saturday of the week the game was released, so maybe I just cant remember from that long ago.
[QUOTE=Egevened;35289699]I am rather sure that the ending was indoctrination, and they planned the post-ending dlc. my initial outrage is the fact that they tried this form of money guzzling with such a major title. like how they are trying to check how far can they go.[/QUOTE]
They're out of their mind if they think I'm going to pay for a "Here's what really happened" ending DLC.
Sadly, I think a lot of people will.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35289682]I like the indoctrination theory a lot, and I hope Bioware decides to run with it. But I don't believe it was intentional, at least not in regards to the final product. If it was intentional...then we're missing half the ending.[/QUOTE]
I don't know, I think it would be a stretch to say it wasn't intentional; the pieces fit too well.
But yes, if it were true and you picked the Renegade ending then we are missing the full ending.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35289691]I think the ending was a lot better than people are making it out to be.[/QUOTE]
Well, you think very wrong.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35289710]And I completely and respectfully disagree. The deeper I look at it, the more failures I see.[/QUOTE]
The deeper I look at it the more I think I understand it.
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;35289741]Well, you think very wrong.[/QUOTE]
You mean that you disagree with me :)
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35289743]The deeper I look at it the more I think I understand it.
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
You mean that you disagree with me :)[/QUOTE]
If you can offer any insight or explanation, I'd be glad to hear it, even if I don't agree.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35289743]The deeper I look at it the more I think I understand it.
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
You mean that you disagree with me :)[/QUOTE]
Well, yeah. I respect your opinion, but I gotta disagree. It made no sense to me(The ending that is).
I avoided all spoilers before playing Mass Effect 3 except for hearing the ending to the series was absolute shit and such from a lot of people, and I went in expecting the worst thing ever. But once I actually completed the game it wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be, so I think the majority of people are exaggerating it a bit.
[QUOTE=GetBent;35289733]They're out of their mind if they think I'm going to pay for a "Here's what really happened" ending DLC.
Sadly, I think a lot of people will.[/QUOTE]
I will, but I would do so more out of a love of the series and to see and experience what that alternate, or real ending will be.
Just watching it on youtube doesn't do it for me.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35289756]If you can offer any insight or explanation, I'd be glad to hear it, even if I don't agree.[/QUOTE]
This.
Just saying that the ending was better than people thought aint really enough. You gotta back that up, start a discussion, you know.
That's kinda how we humans work.
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=locojaws;35289784]I avoided all spoilers before playing Mass Effect 3 except for hearing the ending to the series was absolute shit and such from a lot of people, and I went in expecting the worst thing ever. But once I actually completed the game it wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be, so I think the majority of people are exaggerating it a bit.[/QUOTE]
Same to you
[QUOTE=Framperton;35289785]I will, but I would do so more out of a love of the series and to see and experience what that alternate, or real ending will be.
Just watching it on youtube doesn't do it for me.[/QUOTE]
And this will set a much worse precedent than everyone is claiming with changing the ending.
Withholding the real ending to sell later for DLC? Hah. That will be fun having to pay an additional $10-20 for every game you buy to get the true, full game.
[QUOTE=locojaws;35289784]I avoided all spoilers before playing Mass Effect 3 except for hearing the ending to the series was absolute shit and such from a lot of people, and I went in expecting the worst thing ever. But once I actually completed the game it wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be, so I think the majority of people are exaggerating it a bit.[/QUOTE]
I thought the ending was okay at the time when I beat it. But now that I've taken a step back and actually looked at it, and my journey throughout the trilogy. It leaves me with more questions than answers to what is supposed to be the end of the story arch for Shepard.
[QUOTE=locojaws;35289784]I avoided all spoilers before playing Mass Effect 3 except for hearing the ending to the series was absolute shit and such from a lot of people, and I went in expecting the worst thing ever. But once I actually completed the game it wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be, so I think the majority of people are exaggerating it a bit.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I was worried about the game thing; I thought that it would end RIGHT at the precipice of the final attack like in Halo 2, and I would have been SOOOOOO MAD if it did. At a few of the points I was like "I hope to god it doesn't end *here*... oh whew thank god I'm still playing".
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35289756]If you can offer any insight or explanation, I'd be glad to hear it, even if I don't agree.[/QUOTE]
The reapers' motivation to uphold the cycle was to prevent total collapse of organic life.
As it is, one race rises from the ashes of the previous one, they live long enough to uplift a later civilization, then are destroyed before the new race is sufficiently advanced. This new race/races rise up and the cycle continues.
The catalyst states that any creation will inevitably rebel against its creators a la the Geth. If this happens uncontrollably the consequences are unpredictable; there would be war, and the galaxy would probably be devastated as a result of the war.
The reapers' purpose is to uphold order by maintaining a predictable cycle where the races rise and fall continuously - without this cycle, it is impossible to tell what may happen to organic life.
Of course, this acts upon the assumption that any uplifted life (Organic or not) will inevitably rebel. If they do not, then it is possible that peace may reign in the galaxy; of course, how long this would last is difficult to tell.
The assumption does have some basis if you play From Dust, however - Shepard and Liara are quite noticeably horrified when they discover the fascist regime of the Protheans, "Join us or die fighting us". I'm willing to bet that had the Prothean Empire not been wiped out by the reapers, the Asari, Salarians, Turians, whoever was uplifted, would have fought back against the protheans, just as the Reapers predicted.
Now of course this is the ultimate debate - Is Totalitarian order better than Absolute chaos? This is where the player choice comes in (Of course, we cannot actually side with the reapers, which actually disappoints me now that I think about it).
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