[QUOTE=GetBent;35289812]And this will set a much worse precedent than everyone is claiming with changing the ending.
Withholding the real ending to sell later for DLC? Hah. That will be fun having to pay an additional $10-20 for every game you buy to get the true, full game.[/QUOTE]
Oh look an alarmist.
You know, most precedents are based on the success of something, and given the amount of negative publicity this 'mistake' has earned them, I doubt other companies that matter will follow suit.
Shit producers like Activision? Sure I can see that. But developers that have an established reputation for creating quality games? No.
Also, how do you know it won't be free?
that's the way I see it anyway
edit: son of an automerge breaker
[QUOTE=locojaws;35289784]I avoided all spoilers before playing Mass Effect 3 except for hearing the ending to the series was absolute shit and such from a lot of people, and I went in expecting the worst thing ever. But once I actually completed the game it wasn't nearly as bad as everyone made it out to be, so I think the majority of people are exaggerating it a bit.[/QUOTE]
I did the same. I went in with no real expectations, even after hearing that the ending was shit.
And it was even worse than I could have guessed.
Oh God.
If this is true I'ma gonna be mad, just read:
[URL="http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html"]http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html[/URL]
Whats wrong with the ending? Stop bitching about every little thing.
[QUOTE=Jetpack Bear;35289933]Whats wrong with the ending? Stop bitching about every little thing.[/QUOTE]
It didn't bring any closure at all, that's why!
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35289921]Oh God.
If this is true I'ma gonna be mad, just read:
[URL="http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html"]http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
Looks fake, especially when it mentions Kasumi being "Modeled after the sister of a staff member who kept baking
the entire staff cookies"
[QUOTE=Jetpack Bear;35289933]Whats wrong with the ending? Stop bitching about every little thing.[/QUOTE]
Seriously, get out.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35289843]The reapers' motivation to uphold the cycle was to prevent total collapse of organic life.
As it is, one race rises from the ashes of the previous one, they live long enough to uplift a later civilization, then are destroyed before the new race is sufficiently advanced. This new race/races rise up and the cycle continues.
The catalyst states that any creation will inevitably rebel against its creators a la the Geth. If this happens uncontrollably the consequences are unpredictable; there would be war, and the galaxy would probably be devastated as a result of the war.
The reapers' purpose is to uphold order by maintaining a predictable cycle where the races rise and fall continuously - without this cycle, it is impossible to tell what may happen to organic life.
Of course, this acts upon the assumption that any uplifted life (Organic or not) will inevitably rebel. If they do not, then it is possible that peace may reign in the galaxy; of course, how long this would last is difficult to tell.
The assumption does have some basis if you play From Dust, however - Shepard and Liara are quite noticeably horrified when they discover the fascist regime of the Protheans, "Join us or die fighting us". I'm willing to bet that had the Prothean Empire not been wiped out by the reapers, the Asari, Salarians, Turians, whoever was uplifted, would have fought back against the protheans, just as the Reapers predicted.
Now of course this is the ultimate debate - Is Totalitarian order better than Absolute chaos? This is where the player choice comes in (Of course, we cannot actually side with the reapers, which actually disappoints me now that I think about it).[/QUOTE]
Why do the reapers not destroy synthetic life to preserve organic life.
The Geth never rebelled against the Quarians, they acted in self defense. Remember from ME3 how they stopped attacking the Quarians once they were chased out of their home system? The Geth always wanted to coexist. Is this not the perfect example of synthetic and organic life coexisting?
Also the Reapers' motivations are not what's truly putting people, myself included, off the endings. It's the complete and total lack of character resolution, the utter destruction of Shepard's powerful character, the absolute disregard for any of the choices made throughout the series.
Also you could prevent the collapse of organic life without destroying it.
Consider the Reapers, would it be hard for them to set up a galaxy-wide network that monitors advanced civilizations for anything resembling synthetic life?
Once they detect that an AI has been created, they could move in and destroy it, keeping the organic beings alive.
[QUOTE=Jetpack Bear;35289933]Whats wrong with the ending? Stop bitching about every little thing.[/QUOTE]
[sp]-Your choices don't matter
-No closure
-Poltholes everywhere
-The Catalyst's reasoning makes no fucking sense
-You don't have the ability to question what the magic space kid says
-You can't tell him that Organics and Synthetics are peacfully coexisting
-The ending cinematics are lazy beyond anything I've ever seen[/sp]
Want more?
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35289921]Oh God.
If this is true I'ma gonna be mad, just read:
[URL="http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html"]http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
that part about [sp]controlling a reaper[/sp] is pretty badass
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35289921]Oh God.
If this is true I'ma gonna be mad, just read:
[URL="http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html"]http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
Don't worry that's just some fucking moron muttering to himself in a corner.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35289978]Why do the reapers not destroy synthetic life to preserve organic life.
The Geth never rebelled against the Quarians, they acted in self defense. Remember from ME3 how they stopped attacking the Quarians once they were chased out of their home system? The Geth always wanted to coexist. Is this not the perfect example of synthetic and organic life coexisting?
Also the Reapers' motivations are not what's truly putting people, myself included, off the endings. It's the complete and total lack of character resolution, the utter destruction of Shepard's powerful character, the absolute disregard for any of the choices made throughout the series.
Also you could prevent the collapse of organic life without destroying it.
Consider the Reapers, would it be hard for them to set up a galaxy-wide network that monitors advanced civilizations for anything resembling synthetic life?
Once they detect that an AI has been created, they could move in and destroy it, keeping the organic beings alive.[/QUOTE]
Your solution would be to constantly destroy ANY new advanced life that arises?
That would result in an eternal single-race galaxy. I'd expect that to be very unstable compared to a continuous cycle of new life forms rising and falling.
[QUOTE=Scar;35289991]
Want more?[/QUOTE]
should probably tag that
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35289921]Oh God.
If this is true I'ma gonna be mad, just read:
[URL="http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html"]http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
Xy - Hanar exiled for his "problematic" confidence and impoliteness. (Approved)
Filbert - Biotic elcor too small/weak to live amongst his own kind. (Approved)
Murmur - The last Reaper, removed from the hivemind. (Approved)
Bresha - Female krogan, distant granddaughter of Wrex.
This is definitely fake.
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35289921]Oh God.
If this is true I'ma gonna be mad, just read:
[URL="http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html"]http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
I wouldn't mind this too much, really.
I care more about the universe than giving Bioware/EA money.
If they shift from the end of ME3 to "Mass Shift", I wouldn't mind too much. I'd still be pissed about how they handled ME3's ending, but eh.
Also if this "Mass Shift" thing is true, there better be character development similar to ME1-3. Bioware is incredibly strong when it comes to creating and making you care for characters in the world.
[QUOTE=JimmyA;35290003]should probably tag that[/QUOTE]
Whoops :v:
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35289921]Oh God.
If this is true I'ma gonna be mad, just read:
[URL="http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html"]http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
I can't make sense of anything in that post
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35289921]Oh God.
If this is true I'ma gonna be mad, just read:
[URL="http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html"]http://social.bioware.com/forum/Mass-Effect-3/Mass-Effect-3-Story-and-Campaign-Discussion-Spoilers-Allowed/NEW-INFO-Possible-leak-of-April-24th-DLC-and-next-game-Either-this-or-an-elaborate-fake-10560313-1.html[/URL][/QUOTE]
That's extremely specific. It would mean that the next game is about 2 years away, so I guess it's plausible.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290002]Your solution would be to constantly destroy ANY new advanced life that arises?
That would result in an eternal single-race galaxy. I'd expect that to be very unstable compared to a continuous cycle of new life forms rising and falling.[/QUOTE]
Why single race? It would simply result in a universe inhabited by one to hundreds of different species.
There would literally be no difference except the lack of Geth.
Also, from where do you infer instability? The world of ME isn't exactly stable to begin with. You have races fighting eachother, and infighting within races. Wouldn't exactly be all that different than Earth at the moment. We have countries fighting eachother, and the possibility of civil wars.
My 'solution' thought up in 2 minutes would simply remove one source of major conflict, synthetic life.
Chances are it is fake but I don't trust Bioware enough anymore not to pull some bullshit like this.
Wait, Mass SHIFT in 2014? A reaper called Murmur? This can't be true what the fuck is this. :v:
My favourite oddly-specific comment:
[quote]If this ends up being true, I'm driving to Edmonton and breaking Casey Hudson's knees with a lead pipe.
[/quote]
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35290063]Chances are it is fake but I don't trust Bioware enough anymore not to pull some bullshit like this.[/QUOTE]
Then use common sense. An Elcore named Filbert? volus shadow broker? ridiculous.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290061]Why single race? It would simply result in a universe inhabited by one to hundreds of different species.
There would literally be no difference except the lack of Geth.
Also, from where do you infer instability? The world of ME isn't exactly stable to begin with. You have races fighting eachother, and infighting within races. Wouldn't exactly be all that different than Earth at the moment. We have countries fighting eachother, and the possibility of civil wars.
My 'solution' thought up in 2 minutes would simply remove one source of major conflict, synthetic life.[/QUOTE]
Well you're saying that we're destroying any advanced race that arises in the galaxy. That would mean there would be little diversity - It would basically become the prothean empire; a select few species that essentially fall under one civilization, and that civilization would be the same forever.
I infer instability from the fact that there would be no change in galactic civilization, well, ever, because you're destroying any and all new advanced life. This would result in a very low diversity of species in the galaxy, and from an evolutionary perspective, this is incredibly unstable - Any change in circumstances could have disasterous consequences.
By destroying all the old races, it ensures that new races rise and fall smoothly and in an orderly fashion, rather than having a single race standing long enough for cracks to develop, risking collapse.
[QUOTE=Haxxer;35290112][video=youtube;OQeFvUuPNHc]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OQeFvUuPNHc[/video]
[IMG]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/7856270/lostwithoutyou.jpg[/IMG]
gmod + photoshop[/QUOTE]
Can't see tentacles, 0/10 would not look at again
[QUOTE=Framperton;35290102]Then use common sense. An Elcore named Filbert? volus shadow broker? ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I'm not for a second suggesting that it's real, although plenty of game content has been leaked on /v/ in the past, but don't assume that those names are by any means final. Were 'Filbert' a character, chances are that it's a placeholder or inside joke. Remember that Vega used to be Sanders until fairly late on.
[QUOTE=Framperton;35290102]Then use common sense. An Elcore named Filbert? volus shadow broker? ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
What's so bad about an Elcor named Filbert?
Or a volus shadow broker?
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290124]Well you're saying that we're destroying any advanced race that arises in the galaxy. That would mean there would be little diversity - It would basically become the prothean empire; a select few species that essentially fall under one civilization, and that civilization would be the same forever.
I infer instability from the fact that there would be no change in galactic civilization, well, ever, because you're destroying any and all new advanced life. This would result in a very low diversity of species in the galaxy, and from an evolutionary perspective, this is incredibly unstable - Any change in circumstances could have disasterous consequences.
By destroying all the old races, it ensures that new races rise and fall smoothly and in an orderly fashion, rather than having a single race standing long enough for cracks to develop, risking collapse.[/QUOTE]
I'm saying destroy any SYNTHETIC LIFE created by ANY ADVANCED RACE, not destroy the advanced races.
For example, have the reapers move in to destroy the Geth before Mass Effect's events.
Sure, that would remove the Reapers' ominous superentity vibe, but it would be a valid solution to the "Synthetics kill Organics" issue.
[QUOTE=Framperton;35290102]Then use common sense. An Elcore named Filbert? volus shadow broker? ridiculous.[/QUOTE]
I don't see why an Elcore can't be called Filbert or the shadow broker 1000 years in the future can't be volus.
I think more the idea of the terminator dlc is just plane mad therefore probably fake.
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