Also guys, what's your favourite track on the ME3 OST?
I actually think my favourite is the Character creation one, not sure why, I just really like it (It plays after the credits, too, I think).
I also (Ironically) really like the one that plays during the endings. Guess it's similar to Human Revolution in that respect.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35289691]I think the ending was a lot better than people are making it out to be.[/QUOTE]
Why?
I have NEVER seen anyone explain how the ending is good in any way. It's always just "Well I liked it." "It's not as bad as everyone says." The defence of the ending always boils down to the same shit spouted time and time again, people go out of their way to insult detractors calling the "childish" or "entitled."
There's a fucking mountain of evidence to show that the ending is objectively terrible. From the tautologies and circular logic used to explain the Reaper's goals, the lack of any reasonalble arguement, the railroading, the fugurative and literal Deus Ex Machina, the ABUNDANCE of plot holes and contradictions.
NOTHING about the ending makes any sense and I have not, in the 2 weeks since the games release, seen a single valid arguement in support of it.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;35290162]Why?
I have NEVER seen anyone explain how the ending is good in any way. It's always just "Well I liked it." "It's not as bad as everyone says." The defence of the ending always boils down to the same shit spouted time and time again, people go out of their way to insult detractors calling the "childish" or "entitled."
There's a fucking mountain of evidence to show that the ending is objectively tearrible. From the tautologies and circular logic used to explain the Reaper's goals, the lack of any reasonalble arguement, the railroading, the fugurative and literal Deus Ex Machina, the ABUNDANCE of plot holes and contradictions.
NOTHING about the ending makes any sense and I have not, in the 2 weeks since the games release, seen a single valid arguement in support of it.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't calling any names. I'm simply stating that I didn't find the ending as terribad as I was expecting it to be from people's reactions.
I'm not saying it was outstanding and appreciate that there are many major flaws in it, but I disagree when people say it ruined the trilogy.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290191]I wasn't calling any names. I'm simply stating that I didn't find the ending as terribad as I was expecting it to be from people's reactions.
I'm not saying it was outstanding and appreciate that there are many major flaws in it, but I disagree when people say it ruined the trilogy.[/QUOTE]
Please, explain how it didn't make every choice we made throughout the trilogy senseless
Personally that leaked stuff sounds too retarded to be true. And the "Terminator" DLC that is suppose to come out for ME3 makes no sense at all. I hope it's fake.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290191]I wasn't calling any names. I'm simply stating that I didn't find the ending as terribad as I was expecting it to be from people's reactions.
I'm not saying it was outstanding and appreciate that there are many major flaws in it, but I disagree when people say it ruined the trilogy.[/QUOTE]
And here is the point where you explain why you disagreed, stating points from the ending and explaining why you think they're not as bad as what people say.
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;35290206]Personally that leaked stuff sounds too retarded to be true. [/QUOTE]
Thought the same about the ending :v:
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;35290162]Why?
I have NEVER seen anyone explain how the ending is good in any way. It's always just "Well I liked it." "It's not as bad as everyone says." The defence of the ending always boils down to the same shit spouted time and time again, people go out of their way to insult detractors calling the "childish" or "entitled."
There's a fucking mountain of evidence to show that the ending is objectively tearrible. From the tautologies and circular logic used to explain the Reaper's goals, the lack of any reasonalble arguement, the railroading, the fugurative and literal Deus Ex Machina, the ABUNDANCE of plot holes and contradictions.
NOTHING about the ending makes any sense and I have not, in the 2 weeks since the games release, seen a single valid arguement in support of it.[/QUOTE]
wasn't the reapers plan to [sp]kill advanced organics but let the simple ones live?[/sp]
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punched the reporter for the first time in ME3, felt good.
[QUOTE=Scar;35290196]Please, explain why you like the ending if possible[/QUOTE]
I'd say my feelings for it are pretty neutral. I can think of ways of improving it, but on the other hand I think they did well enough with what they had.
I certainly would have struggled to come up with some justification for the reapers' actions that wasn't simply "They're just bad" or "Their intentions are completely incomprehensible to us", both of which are absolute cop-outs.
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35290157]I don't see why an Elcore can't be called Filbert or the shadow broker 1000 years in the future can't be volus.
I think more the idea of the terminator dlc is just plane mad therefore probably fake.[/QUOTE]
How would a Volus get to be shadow broker? Liara just give him the job? A job of such power to one of one of the most morally ambiguous races?
Also as the Elcor Filbert thing, not even an elcor would name their child something so stupid. Although, yes it could just be placeholder.
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;35289962]Seriously, get out.[/QUOTE]
Why don't you get out and lock the door? Bitching and complaining won't get you everything, you know.
[QUOTE=JimmyA;35290216]wasn't the reapers plan to [sp]kill advanced organics but let the simple ones live?[/sp]
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punched the reporter for the first time in ME3, felt good.[/QUOTE]
The reaper's goals were understandable, but their motivations for accomplishing those goals were buttfuck retarded.
[QUOTE=JimmyA;35290216]wasn't the reapers plan to [sp]kill advanced organics but let the simple ones live?[/sp]
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
punched the reporter for the first time in ME3, felt good.[/QUOTE]
Yes but why not [sp]have the reapers kill any synthetics that are created rather than the organics? the logic they use is just silly.[/sp]
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290242]The reaper's goals were understandable, but their motivations for accomplishing those goals were buttfuck retarded.[/QUOTE]
[sp] they're goals were to stop wars and shit, wasn't it?[/sp]
I'm interested to know where the reapers and the catalyst originated.
I mean, it's implied that the reapers built the citadel, but by the end of ME3 it seems to be the other way around - In which case who DID build the citadel? And where did the first reapers come from? It seems as though you need reapers in the first place to make MORE reapers.
It's like the chicken and egg argument :v:
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35290254]Yes but why not [sp]have the reapers kill any synthetics that are created rather than the organics? the logic they use is just silly.[/sp][/QUOTE]
[sp] if you JUST kill the synthetics the organics who know how to make synthetics could rebuild them, the little weird moon boy says it as well[/sp]
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290228]I'd say my feelings for it are pretty neutral. I can think of ways of improving it, but on the other hand I think they did well enough with what they had.
I certainly would have struggled to come up with some justification for the reapers' actions that wasn't simply "They're just bad" or "Their intentions are completely incomprehensible to us", both of which are absolute cop-outs.[/QUOTE]
Well, but the motivation they have is against everything Mass Effect stood for. Mainly cooperation and peace between different species, and organics and synthetics.
You can't give us this race of peaceful synthetics only to tell us that there will always be war between "the Creator and the Created", even if in game, and in story that isn't even true.
[QUOTE=Framperton;35290238]How would a Volus get to be shadow broker? Liara just give him the job? A job of such power to one of one of the most morally ambiguous races?
Also as the Elcor Filbert thing, not even an elcor would name their child something so stupid. Although, yes it could just be placeholder.[/QUOTE]
Anyone can be a shadow broker. All they have to do is take over the old broker's seat.
Anyone intelligent enough to find the broker, identify them and take them out would probably know what is needed to be the broker.
Also, Elcor names.
Calyn
Harrot
Filbert
Petozi
Xeltan
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[QUOTE=JimmyA;35290258][sp] they're goals were to stop wars and shit, wasn't it?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Their goals are to kill organic species at the apex of their advancement.
Their motivations for doing so were to stop the organics from creating sufficiently intelligent synthetics that would wipe them out.
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35290254]Yes but why not [sp]have the reapers kill any synthetics that are created rather than the organics? the logic they use is just silly.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I think people are getting the whole Synthetic-Organic thing wrong.
When the catalyst says about a creation always rebelling against its creators, I think that's referring to both Synthetics and Organics; the Protheans uplifted the Asari just as the Quarians created the Geth.
The Reapers want to prevent chaos erupting where uplifted species rebel against their creators and cause galactic instability.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290267]I'm interested to know where the reapers and the catalyst originated.
I mean, it's implied that the reapers built the citadel, but by the end of ME3 it seems to be the other way around - In which case who DID build the citadel? And where did the first reapers come from? It seems as though you need reapers in the first place to make MORE reapers.
It's like the chicken and egg argument :v:[/QUOTE]
Say hello to one plot hole created in the ME3 ending.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290191]I wasn't calling any names. I'm simply stating that I didn't find the ending as terribad as I was expecting it to be from people's reactions.
I'm not saying it was outstanding and appreciate that there are many major flaws in it, but I disagree when people say it ruined the trilogy.[/QUOTE]
THAT'S EXACTLY MY FUCKING POINT!
You're not giving us [i]reasons[/i] as to why you liked it. You're just saying it isn't bad. You're making no attempt to explain aything, what you liked, what you saw, what you thought. You're just telling us that you disagree and leaving it at that, but you still persist in repeating it.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290277]Anyone can be a shadow broker. All they have to do is take over the old broker's seat.
Anyone intelligent enough to find the broker, identify them and take them out would probably know what is needed to be the broker.
Also, Elcor names.
Calyn
Harrot
Filbert
Petozi
Xeltan
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
Their goals are to kill organic species at the apex of their advancement.
Their motivations for doing so were to stop the organics from creating sufficiently intelligent synthetics that would wipe them out.[/QUOTE]
every other name but Filbert sounds like it could be an Elcor name.
Also you honestly think a Volus could take out Liara?
[QUOTE=JimmyA;35290274][sp] if you JUST kill the synthetics the organics who know how to make synthetics could rebuild them, the little weird moon boy says it as well[/sp][/QUOTE]
then you kill them again? [sp]it makes more sense to cyclically kill the synthetics than to cyclically kill the organics[/sp]
[QUOTE=Scar;35290275]Well, but the motivation they have is against everything Mass Effect stood for. Mainly cooperation and peace between different species, and organics and synthetics.
You can't give us this race of peaceful synthetics only to tell us that there will always be war between "the Creator and the Created", even if in game, and in story that isn't even true.[/QUOTE]
The catalyst DID say that the solution wasn't working anymore. Maybe it's starting to realise that Creations CAN get along with their Creators. But then, maybe Shepard was just a one-off; he WAS the only reason that the Quarians and Geth didn't destroy each other, and he IS the only organic ever to reach the catalyst.
Maybe the whole idea of co-operation and peace between species is something that the catalyst couldn't have expected; it expects there to be constant war, it's proved wrong, thus, it needs a new solution.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290267]I'm interested to know where the reapers and the catalyst originated.
I mean, it's implied that the reapers built the citadel, but by the end of ME3 it seems to be the other way around - In which case who DID build the citadel? And where did the first reapers come from? It seems as though you need reapers in the first place to make MORE reapers.
It's like the chicken and egg argument :v:[/QUOTE]
Yeah, I remember a quote from Walters (I believe) which basically said we don't need to know that.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290288]I think people are getting the whole Synthetic-Organic thing wrong.
When the catalyst says about a creation always rebelling against its creators, I think that's referring to both Synthetics and Organics; the Protheans uplifted the Asari just as the Quarians created the Geth.
The Reapers want to prevent chaos erupting where uplifted species rebel against their creators and cause galactic instability.[/QUOTE]
"According to the Catalyst, the Reapers were created for the sole purpose of ensuring the existence of organic life in the galaxy, based on the assumption that all synthetic intelligences will eventually turn on and destroy their organic creators."
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;35290317]THAT'S EXACTLY MY FUCKING POINT!
You're not giving us [i]reasons[/i] as to why you liked it. You're just saying it isn't bad. You're making no attempt to explain aything, what you lied, what you saw, what you thought. You're just telling us that you disagree and leaving it at that, but you still persist in repeating it.[/QUOTE]
I'm trying to justify it if you read my other posts.
Sorry if I'm not used to having to state specifically why I like something in order for someone to tell me loads of reasons why I SHOULDN'T like something.
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[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290332]"According to the Catalyst, the Reapers were created for the sole purpose of ensuring the existence of organic life in the galaxy, based on the assumption that all synthetic intelligences will eventually turn on and destroy their organic creators."[/QUOTE]
Where's that from?
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[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35290320]then you kill them again? [sp]it makes more sense to cyclically kill the synthetics than to cyclically kill the organics[/sp][/QUOTE]
Who's to say the organics won't rebel against you trying to destroy the synthetics? In which case you'd end up having to fight the organics anyway if they try to stop you.
[QUOTE=Framperton;35290318]every other name but Filbert sounds like it could be an Elcor name.
Also you honestly think a Volus could take out Liara?[/QUOTE]
I agree that it sounds a bit out there, but not impossible.
Filbert and Harrot aren't all that far off.
"The volus have a reputation as traders and merchants, and many, such as Barla Von, work as some of the best financial advisers in Citadel space."
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290303]Say hello to one plot hole created in the ME3 ending.[/QUOTE]
Maybe the citadel is just a bunch of reapers melted together. It sheds like a big flower in space and each petal that falls off becomes a reaper.
The 50000 year cycle is really just about the reapers needed to use the citadel-flower again because the older reapers ran out of fuel or energy and are just dead floating in space. Or they become seeds for more citadels.
Also mass effect relays are merely a transportation for reaper-seeds to be flung to the far reaches of the galaxy... AND BEYOND!
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290339]
Where's that from?
[/QUOTE]
Wiki and ending of ME3.
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