[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290339]I'm trying to justify it if you read my other posts.
Sorry if I'm not used to having to state specifically why I like something in order for someone to tell me loads of reasons why I SHOULDN'T like something.[/QUOTE]
Then why do you keep repeating it? Why do you feel the need to regurgitate the non-sensical explinations given in the ending? Despite the evidence against them?
I have no problem with you liking it, I just don't understand how you can go for 3+ pages basically repeating the same thing.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290374]Wiki and ending of ME3.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing, the wiki is edited by people who may have seen something in the game and misunderstood it.
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;35290384]Then why do you keep repeating it? Why do you feel the need to regurgitate the non-sensical explinations given in the ending? Despite the evidence against them?
I have no problem with you liking it, I just don't understand how you can go for 3+ pages basically repeating the same thing.[/QUOTE]
I beg your fucking pardon? I'm not repeating myself at all. I haven't been regurgitating anything for 3 pages.
Get your fucking facts straight before you talk shit to me.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290339]
Who's to say the organics won't rebel against you trying to destroy the synthetics? In which case you'd end up having to fight the organics anyway if they try to stop you.[/QUOTE]
Now we're just speculating and we all know where "lots of speculation for everyone" leads.
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35290425]Now we're just speculating and we all know where "lots of speculation for everyone" leads.[/QUOTE]
That's the thing, the catalyst is trying to cut out any speculation in its solution.
It wants something that it thinks will bring a constant order to the galaxy, something predictable, that works every time.
In the end it ultimately failed, of course.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290396]That's the thing, the wiki is edited by people who may have seen something in the game and misunderstood it.
[editline]25th March 2012[/editline]
Even then, it's exactly the explanation we get at the end of the game. The created will always rebel against their creators and all that jazz.
I beg your fucking pardon? I'm not repeating myself at all. I haven't been regurgitating anything for 3 pages.
Get your fucking facts straight before you talk shit to me.[/QUOTE]
EDIT: Wait, what the fuck just happened to my post?
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290357]I agree that it sounds a bit out there, but not impossible.
Filbert and Harrot aren't all that far off.
"The volus have a reputation as traders and merchants, and many, such as Barla Von, work as some of the best financial advisers in Citadel space."[/QUOTE]
Exactly why a volus would be better as an agent than as shadow broker. You need more than just mercenaries to back yourself up, and especially how well connected Liara is now it would be all but impossible.
On a gut feeling note, finding out a Volus is the shadow broker would be disappointing and a bit of a mockery of the idea of a shadow broker.
If I was an elcor I would choose the name Harrot over Filbert every time.
[QUOTE=Framperton;35290448]Exactly why a volus would be better as an agent than as shadow broker. You need more than just mercenaries to back yourself up, and especially how well connected Liara is now it would be all but impossible.
On a gut feeling note, finding out a Volus is the shadow broker would be disappointing and a bit of a mockery of the idea of a shadow broker.
If I was an elcor I would choose the name Harrot over Filbert every time.[/QUOTE]
[I] Liara - Matriarch (Approved)[/I]
Apparently she's not even dead (According to this supposed "leak")
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290396]That's the thing, the wiki is edited by people who may have seen something in the game and misunderstood it.
[/QUOTE]
The Catalyst said "the created" and "the creators".
The destroy ending will destroy all synthetic life.
Sure, you can say that by "the created" it means something different, like "What gave you your technology" or whatever, but that's interpretation.
Just completed the game for the first time.
I heard everyone bitching about the ending, and in situations like this, I often find the ending fine, unlike everyone else.
But this time, [b]WHAT THE FUCK[/b]
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290396]
I beg your fucking pardon? I'm not repeating myself at all. I haven't been regurgitating anything for 3 pages.[/QUOTE]
Fine then, 2 pages where you regurgitate the shit ending. I was counting the last post 3 pages ago but I suppose that's a bit unfair. All you've been doing is variations on [sp]"The Reapers are destroying advanced life to save life."[/sp] and "I didn't think it as bad."
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290396]Get your fucking facts straight before you talk shit to me.[/QUOTE]
Or what? You'll hit me?
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290477][I] Liara - Matriarch (Approved)[/I]
Apparently she's not even dead (According to this supposed "leak")[/QUOTE]
The leak makes even less sense now, being matriarch would strengthen her position as shadow broker even more!
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290396]That's the thing, the wiki is edited by people who may have seen something in the game and misunderstood it.
[/QUOTE]
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6kZuSHpWwo[/media]
At 2:00
"Without us to stop it, synthetics would destroy all organics. We've created this cycle so that never happens. That's the solution."
[QUOTE=Framperton;35290448]Exactly why a volus would be better as an agent than as shadow broker. You need more than just mercenaries to back yourself up, and especially how well connected Liara is now it would be all but impossible.
On a gut feeling note, finding out a Volus is the shadow broker would be disappointing and a bit of a mockery of the idea of a shadow broker.
[/QUOTE]
This is true, but just because the Volus have been portrayed as comedic relief(BIOTIC GOD) or just stupid and incompetent. In reality, they're not.
[QUOTE=Hellborg 65;35290486]Just completed the game for the first time.
I heard everyone bitching about the ending, and in situations like this, I often find the ending fine, unlike everyone else.
But this time, [b]WHAT THE FUCK[/b][/QUOTE]
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MY CITADEL = REAPER SPACE FLOWER THEORY.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290435]That's the thing, the catalyst is trying to cut out any speculation in its solution.
It wants something that it thinks will bring a constant order to the galaxy, something predictable, that works every time.
In the end it ultimately failed, of course.[/QUOTE]
No, the "lots of speculation from everyone" was from Mac Walters. It's pretty much what he wanted from the ending. He also wanted it to be "like the Matrix" which is retarded.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290482]The Catalyst said "the created" and "the creators".
The destroy ending will destroy all synthetic life.
Sure, you can say that by "the created" it means something different, like "What gave you your technology" or whatever, but that's interpretation.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, it's interpretation. I think they're referring to all uplifted life when they refer to the "Created", suggesting that they destroy the old race to prevent the races that they've uplifted from rebelling against them in the future.
[QUOTE=Framperton;35290494]The leak makes even less sense now, being matriarch would strengthen her position as shadow broker even more![/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290477][I] Liara - Matriarch (Approved)[/I]
Apparently she's not even dead (According to this supposed "leak")[/QUOTE]
Bare in mind this takes place 1,000 years later. Asari generally change what they do every 100 years or so.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290516]Exactly, it's interpretation. I think they're referring to all uplifted life when they refer to the "Created", suggesting that they destroy the old race to prevent the races that they've uplifted from rebelling against them in the future.[/QUOTE]
But he specifically say synthetics and organics.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290516]Exactly, it's interpretation. I think they're referring to all uplifted life when they refer to the "Created", suggesting that they destroy the old race to prevent the races that they've uplifted from rebelling against them in the future.[/QUOTE]
What about what was posted up there, the video at the two minute mark.
Crystal clear, "Without us to stop it, synthetics would destroy all organics."
[QUOTE=GetBent;35290496][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J6kZuSHpWwo[/media]
At 2:00
"Without us to stop it, synthetics would destroy all organics. We've created this cycle so that never happens. That's the solution."[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290542]What about what was posted up there, the video at the two minute mark.
Crystal clear, "Without us to stop it, synthetics would destroy all organics."[/QUOTE]
Hm. Thing is, "Synthetic" can refer not just to robots or A.I but anything that has been created artificially as opposed to naturally. So, again, it could still be referring to uplifted species.
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[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290545]Hm. Thing is, "Synthetic" can refer not just to robots or A.I but anything that has been created artificially as opposed to naturally. So, again, it could still be referring to uplifted species.[/QUOTE]
Then they wouldn't say organics as the destroyees. They'd say "Synthetics would destroy all their creators" or something. The fact that the word "organic" is in there, unfortunately invalidates your theory.
Uplifted species are still organic beings that evolved to where they were.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290563]Then they wouldn't say organics as the destroyees. They'd say "Synthetics would destroy all their creators" or something. The fact that the word "organic" is in there, unfortunately invalidates your theory.
Uplifted species are still organic beings that evolved to where they were.[/QUOTE]
If they were uplifted to an advanced civilization due to intervention from a "Creator", then you could justify calling them "Artificial" or "Synthetic" because they had not advanced naturally/independently.
For example, "Synthetic" materials nowadays are created from already existing "Natural" elements, but are modified artificially by us to have more advanced properties.
all i want in the ending is for the reapers to destroy all life weather organic or synthetic in the universe
so we can ignore galatic infighting, or having to worry about the future (as there is none), this would
be much better than any other oh well space magic organics win lol!
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290611]If they were uplifted to an advanced civilization due to intervention from a "Creator", then you could justify calling them "Artificial" or "Synthetic" because they had not advanced naturally/independently.
For example, "Synthetic" materials nowadays are created from already existing "Natural" elements, but are modified artificially by us to have more advanced properties.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and I'm not arguing that point, what I'm saying is that they specifically used the word [B]organic[/B].
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290646]Yes, and I'm not arguing that point, what I'm saying is that they specifically used the word [B]organic[/B].[/QUOTE]
The "Organic" life refers to the original species, which uplifts the "Synthetic" species, which (According to the catalyst) will inevitably rebel against its creators.
I'm not sure what you don't understand about that.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290654]The "Organic" life refers to the original species, which uplifts the "Synthetic" species, which (According to the catalyst) will inevitably rebel against its creators.
I'm not sure what you don't understand about that.[/QUOTE]
I understand how you mean that organic can be something that got to an advanced state purely through evolution and natural progression. However I find it silly and stupid to believe that the Catalyst, giving Shepard his or her choices, would be semantically ambiguous in that situation.
I'm not sure how humans would be all that different from your 'synthetic' species, as they managed to enter the galactic community even after the First Contact War, starting after they discovered the Mass relays. Their technological advancement and space faring species status was attained purely because of the prothean shiz they found on Mars. That isn't natural progression of technology.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290611]If they were uplifted to an advanced civilization due to intervention from a "Creator", then you could justify calling them "Artificial" or "Synthetic" because they had not advanced naturally/independently.
For example, "Synthetic" materials nowadays are created from already existing "Natural" elements, but are modified artificially by us to have more advanced properties.[/QUOTE]
Except in Mass Effect Syntheic life is a thing, it is a term which everyone knows. You can't just disregard it for some other arbitrary explination.
Also, he says synthetics will wipe out organics. Even if a species is uplifted [b]they are still organic.[/b] It is a very, very important definition.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290681]I understand how you mean that organic can be something that got to an advanced state purely through evolution and natural progression. However I find it silly and stupid to believe that the Catalyst, giving Shepard his or her choices, would be semantically ambiguous in that situation.[/QUOTE]
It may have been using the correct terminology if it considered uplifted life to be artificial. AIs are notorious for being misleading due to being accurate with terminology; it's played for laugh on some occasions.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290654]The "Organic" life refers to the original species, which uplifts the "Synthetic" species, which (According to the catalyst) will inevitably rebel against its creators.
I'm not sure what you don't understand about that.[/QUOTE]
Now you're jut projecting your own meaning onto it. There is NOTHING about what the Catalyst said that indicated that it considered uplifted races to be synthetic. Infact his whole point was that artificailly created races would destroyall organic life, how could he possibly rationalise murdering organics to stop organics from murdering organics?
That's even more batshit crazy than the ending we got.
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