If only I could have [sp]told the Catalyst that organics and synthetics CAN co-exist because I united the Quarians and the Geth a few hours ago.[/sp] Really, I was waiting for that option.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;35290689]Also, he says synthetics will wipe out organics. Even if a species is uplifted [b]they are still organic.[/b] It is a very, very important definition.[/QUOTE]
I just argued otherwise. If they're artificially uplifted, then one could consider the race as it is to be artificial, even if up until that point they had progressed naturally, without intervention.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290720]It may have been using the correct terminology if it considered uplifted life to be artificial. AIs are notorious for being misleading due to being accurate with terminology; it's played for laugh on some occasions.[/QUOTE]
But calling uplifted species "artificial" or "synthetic"is NOT accurate terminology.
[QUOTE=Haxxer;35290112]
gmod + photoshop[/QUOTE]
This makes me want to return to rendering Mass Effect scenes. Hopefully someone figures out how to extract ME3 models using umodel, like we were able to with ME1 and ME2.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290734]I just argued otherwise. If they're artificially uplifted, then one could consider the race as it is to be artificial, even if up until that point they had progressed naturally, without intervention.[/QUOTE]
EVEN IF THEY WERE CONSIDERED ARTIFICAIL THEY ARE STILL ORGANIC!
He says synthetics will kill organics, even if a species is uplifted they're still organic. How do you not get this?
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;35290724]Now you're jut projecting your own meaning onto it. There is NOTHING about what the Catalyst said that indicated that it considered uplifted races to be synthetic. Infact his whole point was that artificailly created races would destroyall organic life, how could he possibly rationalise murdering organics to stop organics from murdering organics?
That's even more batshit crazy than the ending we got.[/QUOTE]
He's not trying to stop organics or synthetics from killing each other, he's trying to maintain stability of life in the galaxy by preventing any contact between two generations of civilization, since it deems it inevitable that if such a thing were to happen, war would erupt.
By preventing this direct contact from occuring, races rise and fall in an orderly manner, with no interaction between generations.
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[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;35290758]EVEN IF THEY WERE CONSIDERED ARTIFICAIL THEY ARE STILL ORGANIC!
He says synthetics will kill organics, even if a species is uplifted they're still organic. How do you not get this?[/QUOTE]
If I take an apple and alter its genes to produce a greater yield, it's no longer "Organic food", it's "Genetically modified", artificial, synthetic.
It's been altered by some outside force. It's no longer natural.
artificial/natural
synthetic/organic
no you moraine thats just your interpretation of it what its said was that synthetic life would surpass and destroy organic life, probably like the reapers did to whoever created them (maybe a few million years from now will there be another shepard fighting the myth of the Geth, a race of synthetic aliens coming from the deepest space, lead by the leader called "Legion"?)
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imo, the reapers only want to stop another reaper like synthetic race from becoming dominant
those are two different scales
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290760]He's not trying to stop organics or synthetics from killing each other, he's trying to maintain stability of life in the galaxy by preventing any contact between two generations of civilization, since it deems it inevitable that if such a thing were to happen, war would erupt.
By preventing this direct contact from occuring, races rise and fall in an orderly manner, with no interaction between generations.
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If I take an apple and alter its genes to produce a greater yield, it's no longer "Organic food", it's "Genetically modified", artificial, synthetic.
It's been altered by some outside force. It's no longer natural.[/QUOTE]
Even so, the ME series have never been ambiguous with the definition of Synthetic and Organic.
Take it from the Catalyst when talking about Shepard. "Even you are partially synthetic". Referencing the mechanical shit inside him.
argh
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290760]He's not trying to stop organics or synthetics from killing each other, he's trying to maintain stability of life in the galaxy by preventing any contact between two generations of civilization, since it deems it inevitable that if such a thing were to happen, war would erupt.
By preventing this direct contact from occuring, races rise and fall in an orderly manner, with no interaction between generations.
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If I take an apple and alter its genes to produce a greater yield, it's no longer "Organic food", it's "Genetically modified", artificial, synthetic.
It's been altered by some outside force. It's no longer natural.[/QUOTE]
Again, he never said anything like that. You're just projecting what [i]you[/i] think he should say. You are specifically ignoring terminology used throughout the series to make your rationalisation of his shitty arguement work. You're in denial, I've seen this before. Hell I went through it.
Also, we're all being influenced by outside sources all the time. That's what life is. If there was no outside influence everything would stagnate and die. [sp]Which is also what the synthisis ending suggests you accept BTW.[/sp]
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290827]Even so, the ME series have never been ambiguous with the definition of Synthetic and Organic.
Take it from the Catalyst when talking about Shepard. "Even you are partially synthetic". Referencing the mechanical shit inside him.[/QUOTE]
Or the fact that his body is not wholly natural, that a part of him is artificial, man-made.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290760]
If I take an apple and alter its genes to produce a greater yield, it's no longer "Organic food", it's "Genetically modified", artificial, synthetic.
It's been altered by some outside force. It's no longer natural.[/QUOTE]
It's genetically modified organic food, it's not suddenly synthetic.
The weapon unlock system is so fucking stupid. There should be weapon-type specific crates so if I want to get a new assault rifle I could just get an assault rifle crate instead of wading through piles of smg and sniper shit that is no use to me.
Weapons should level up and unlock attachments as you use them, so you don't get lots of things you don't want. Same for classes, if you want a character for a class you should be able to buy a character crate or a class crate. Anything to make it easier to get more of what you want and less of what you don't want.
Instead of a new assault rifle I get tons of SMG's, every character in the soldier class (which I haven't even touched the entire game), and upgrades for weapons that I haven't touched. I'm still stuck with the default assault rifle with no attachments even though that's my most used weapon.
We're being influenced by everything in our closed system. Beyond that there is no artificial intervention. If an alien race were to suddenly change our evolutionary course or provide us with advanced technology, then that would be intervention from outside our closed system, and thus artificial.
They should've stuck with Drew's original writing where it was all about the Dark Energy. It made a lot more sense and it was much better than this.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290846]Or the fact that his body is not wholly natural, that a part of him is artificial, man-made.[/QUOTE]
Not artificial, synthetic.
Explicitly created from nothing by others.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35285855]I kind of feel bad for Bioware.
I mean they probably thought the ending was perfect but now they're seeing all this backlash it must be heartbreaking, they put so much work in and now loads of people are complaining about it "Sucking".
I'd feel horrible if that happened :([/QUOTE]
You think that until you find all the unused sound files that involve you coordinating your attack with Asari, Salarians, Geth, Quarians, etc...
[url]http://www.reddit.com/r/masseffect/comments/rcbta/dialog_cut_from_the_ending_spoilers/[/url]
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;35290887]They should've stuck with Drew's original writing where it was all about the Dark Energy. It made a lot more sense and it was much better than this.[/QUOTE]
Dark Energy to me just sounds like yet another cop-out by throwing out something that we don't understand and aren't expected to understand, and that it's just some weird unknown force that has mysterious powers.
It's essentially the "Magic *snort snort*" of sci-fi to me.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290876]We're being influenced by everything in our closed system. Beyond that there is no artificial intervention. If an alien race were to suddenly change our evolutionary course or provide us with advanced technology, then that would be intervention from outside our closed system, and thus artificial.[/QUOTE]
No, there is no difference. Uplifting is nothing more than giving a lesser advanced species more technology. What Humans did was found advanced technology which advanced their own unnaturally fast.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290898]Not artificial, synthetic.
Explicitly created from nothing by others.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, it was created, introduced to his natural body, it's an artificial addition to an otherwise natural body.
[QUOTE=H4wkeye;35290887]They should've stuck with Drew's original writing where it was all about the Dark Energy. It made a lot more sense and it was much better than this.[/QUOTE]
they should have just kept Karpshyn and Walters working together
they were a great team
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290876]We're being influenced by everything in our closed system. Beyond that there is no artificial intervention. If an alien race were to suddenly change our evolutionary course or provide us with advanced technology, then that would be intervention from outside our closed system, and thus artificial.[/QUOTE]
Closed system? What closed system? Shit from space influences us all the damn time. You've got the sun constantly blasing us with light and radiation. Countless meteorites every year, meteors and asteroids constantly wiping out sections of life (on a geologic scale). There is no closed system.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290876]We're being influenced by everything in our closed system. Beyond that there is no artificial intervention. If an alien race were to suddenly change our evolutionary course or provide us with advanced technology, then that would be intervention from outside our closed system, and thus artificial.[/QUOTE]Are dogs artificial?
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35290915]No, there is no difference. Uplifting is nothing more than giving a lesser advanced species more technology. What Humans did was found advanced technology which advanced their own unnaturally fast.[/QUOTE]
Key word: Unnaturally. Unnatural = Artificial. It's that simple.
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[QUOTE=benzi2k7;35290949]Are dogs artificial?[/QUOTE]
Due to centuries of selective breeding, one could argue this way.
Same for cows, pigs, sheep etc. I consider these "Artificial" species due to the fact that we've altered their evolutionary course.
[QUOTE=Dirf;35290857]The weapon unlock system is so fucking stupid. There should be weapon-type specific crates so if I want to get a new assault rifle I could just get an assault rifle crate instead of wading through piles of smg and sniper shit that is no use to me.
Weapons should level up and unlock attachments as you use them, so you don't get lots of things you don't want. Same for classes, if you want a character for a class you should be able to buy a character crate or a class crate. Anything to make it easier to get more of what you want and less of what you don't want.
Instead of a new assault rifle I get tons of SMG's, every character in the soldier class (which I haven't even touched the entire game), and upgrades for weapons that I haven't touched. I'm still stuck with the default assault rifle with no attachments even though that's my most used weapon.[/QUOTE]
It annoys me how abilities scales with level, and nothing more than that, while weapons scale with level, mods and rank. As for getting to level 20 on a character is rather easy, it doesn't take even nearly as long as it takes to even get all the guns you want to use on a specific char, and then to rank them up... It's impossible to get any geth gun to rank X, hell I just recently got my geth plasma shotgun and I've played this game since it was released, several hours a day. Getting a Javelin or upgrading my Geth Assault Rifle to do any noticeable damage i just a vivid dream, it's never gonna happen unless they overhaul their system. As I said earlier the aqquiring weapons could be random, but upgrading them simply costs credits and nothing else. Or as you said upgrading them through use would be fantastic.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290954]Key word: Unnaturally. Unnatural = Artificial. It's that simple.
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Due to centuries of selective breeding, one could argue this way.
Same for cows, pigs, sheep etc. I consider these "Artificial" species due to the fact that we've altered their evolutionary course.[/QUOTE]
Altered their evolutionary course? From what? Evolution isn't a course, it's not a road with an end, evolution is just adaptation through random mutation. Again, you're projecting your own opinion.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290920]Exactly, it was created, introduced to his natural body, it's an artificial addition to an otherwise natural body.[/QUOTE]
Yes, it's a synthetic implant in a natural body that makes the red beam of boom boom affect it. There is a reason why the red beam of boom boom destroys synthetic life and leaves the ORGANIC life alive.
When the Catalyst, or heck, when the entire Mass Effect series say synthetic, they SPECIFICALLY mean AI, robots, technological beings created from scratch by organic beings. There is no ambiguity.
Sure, in the real world you can argue semantics like this, but there is no arguing in the Mass Effect universe, synthetics are synthetics, and organics are organics.
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