[QUOTE=jiggu;35290972]It annoys me how abilities scales with level, and nothing more than that, while weapons scale with level, mods and rank. As for getting to level 20 on a character is rather easy, it doesn't take even nearly as long as it takes to even get all the guns you want to use on a specific char, and then to rank them up... It's impossible to get any geth gun to rank X, hell I just recently got my geth plasma shotgun and I've played this game since it was released, several hours a day. Getting a Javelin or upgrading my Geth Assault Rifle to do any noticeable damage i just a vivid dream, it's never gonna happen unless they overhaul their system. As I said earlier the aqquiring weapons could be random, but upgrading them simply costs credits and nothing else. Or as you said upgrading them through use would be fantastic.[/QUOTE]
Maybe they could introduce "Weapon Packs" that are guaranteed to contain 1/2 weapons and nothing else.
So at the part in the ending where Shepard [sp]Lives, what part of his body are we seeing when he gasps?[/sp]
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290954]Key word: Unnaturally. Unnatural = Artificial. It's that simple.
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Due to centuries of selective breeding, one could argue this way.
Same for cows, pigs, sheep etc. I consider these "Artificial" species due to the fact that we've altered their evolutionary course.[/QUOTE]
Yes, and I don't see Humans in Mass Effect 3 actively trying to destroy the species already present in the galactic community.
Also you consider cows artificial species? what.
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[QUOTE=Hellborg 65;35291016]So at the part in the ending where Shepard [sp]Lives, what part of his body are we seeing when he gasps?[/sp][/QUOTE]
I would presume the chest.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;35290994]Altered their evolutionary course? From what? Evolution isn't a course, it's not a road with an end, evolution is just adaptation through random mutation. Again, you're projecting your own opinion.[/QUOTE]
Left to their own devices, dogs would have evolved to be very different from how they are at the moment.
We selectively bred them, which is an artificial form of evolution. It's still evolution, of course, but I wouldn't consider them "Natural" species compared to wild animals.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290998]Maybe they could introduce "Weapon Packs" that are guaranteed to contain 1/2 weapons and nothing else.[/QUOTE]
That would make me cream my underwear.
[QUOTE=PyroCF;35286814]I just like the fact that you finally start seeing or hearing about people from the books.[/QUOTE]
Except for the ONE super biotic girl from the second book. Never any mention of her.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35291023]Also you consider cows artificial species? what.[/QUOTE]
Can you imagine cows surviving long in the wild?
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35290954]Key word: Unnaturally. Unnatural = Artificial. It's that simple.
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Due to centuries of selective breeding, one could argue this way.
Same for cows, pigs, sheep etc. I consider these "Artificial" species due to the fact that we've altered their evolutionary course.[/QUOTE]Dude.. we're animals. We are part of nature, anything we do is part of nature and part of our evolutionary course, it's just a different form of natural selection. There's nothing artificial about it.
[url]http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2010/0521/J.-Craig-Venter-Institute-creates-first-synthetic-life-form[/url] this is the only artificial life we have created, key word created. We steered dogs to be our perfect companions using natural methods, we naturally (being part of nature) selected aspects we wanted and bred them. We didn't do anything unnatural that nature (which we are part of) doesn't do itself.
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I would presume the chest.[/QUOTE]
Thats what I thought, but the armor had the arm parts destroyed, so surely you would see his skin, unless it's completely burnt, but then how would he be alive?
[QUOTE=Hellborg 65;35291016]So at the part in the ending where Shepard [sp]Lives, what part of his body are we seeing when he gasps?[/sp][/QUOTE]
Unless he hangs his dogtags from his tights, I'd have to go with "chest".
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35291039]Left to their own devices, dogs would have evolved to be very different from how they are at the moment.
We selectively bred them, which is an artificial form of evolution. It's still evolution, of course, but I wouldn't consider them "Natural" species compared to wild animals.[/QUOTE]
Yeah, but that's your opinion on real world evolution. When the game talks about organics and sythetics it is specifically talking about organic species and robots like EDI and the Geth.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35291039]Left to their own devices, dogs would have evolved to be very different from how they are at the moment.
We selectively bred them, which is an artificial form of evolution. It's still evolution, of course, but I wouldn't consider them "Natural" species compared to wild animals.[/QUOTE]
It's still all natural. Having something change the way you evolve doesn't make your evolution artificial. That's just how evolution works, the ones that are least suited to their environment(Be that climate, terrain or human dislikes) will die out. The ones that best fit their environment will survive.
Our breeding of cows and chicken doesn't make them artificial species, nor does it make their evolution artificial.
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;35291054]Dude.. we're animals. We are part of nature, anything we do is part of nature and part of our evolutionary course, it's just a different form of natural selection. There's nothing artificial about it.
[url]http://www.csmonitor.com/Science/2010/0521/J.-Craig-Venter-Institute-creates-first-synthetic-life-form[/url] this is the only artificial life we have created, key word created. We steered dogs to be our perfect companions using natural methods, we naturally (being part of nature) selected aspects we wanted and bred them. We didn't do anything unnatural that nature (which we are part of) doesn't do itself.[/QUOTE]
Exactly, the key word is that we "Steered" dogs to be our perfect companions. We directed them to a specific destination, which is not how natural evolution works. Natural evolution has no destination, just a lot of branches and dead ends.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;35291076]Yeah, but that's your opinion on real world evolution. When the game talks about organics and sythetics it is specifically talking about organic species and robots like EDI and the Geth.[/QUOTE]
And in the end we revert back to this. While you might have a point in the real world about artificial species, the game is never ambiguous.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35291048]Can you imagine cows surviving long in the wild?[/QUOTE]
They were called [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs]Aurochs[/url], they died out n 1627. Domesticated catle descend directly from them. Also bison and buffalo are wild cows.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35291081]Exactly, the key word is that we "Steered" dogs to be our perfect companions. We directed them to a specific destination, which is not how natural evolution works. Natural evolution has no destination, just a lot of branches and dead ends.[/QUOTE]
Using natural methods, with natural motivations. You can't parallel our bred species and the technologically uplifted species in the ME universe.
Our breeding doesn't have a natural destination, what is happening is exactly the same as in nature.
We want the animals to be as useful to us as possible, and in nature the eventual result is that the animals are as useful to their environment as possible.
The only difference is timescale, which I wouldn't consider a point.
[QUOTE=Dominicus;35286247]Chills and goosebumps.[/QUOTE]
Thanks.
Too bad there isn't anything akin to this ingame. I really think my edit is better than what was in the game by default.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35291081]Exactly, the key word is that we "Steered" dogs to be our perfect companions. We directed them to a specific destination, which is not how natural evolution works. Natural evolution has no destination, just a lot of branches and dead ends.[/QUOTE]Yes it is! We're part of nature! What we're doing is a different form of natural selection, it's not just one thing. We're just making directional selection (one of the "modes" of natural selection) work to our benefit, in this case "if certain wolf has these traits they will survive better because group of humans will take care of them", we didn't just go kidnap a group of wolves and beat them into submission, wolves that were more timid and less scared of humans came to us first. We didn't use artificial means to make them how they were, we used the natural methods that are already happening to them when they becamse more timid around humans because of the benefits they recieved themsleves (food/safety) and sped them up a bit.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;35291124]They were called [url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aurochs]Aurochs[/url], they died out n 1627. Domesticated catle descend directly from them. Also bison and buffalo are wild cows.[/QUOTE]
I meant cows as they are. The species you refer to may have been natural, but the current equivalent are not. Once we started selectively breeding them, they became artificial.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35291081]Exactly, the key word is that we "Steered" dogs to be our perfect companions. We directed them to a specific destination, which is not how natural evolution works. Natural evolution has no destination, just a lot of branches and dead ends.[/QUOTE]
If there's aspecies of birds which feed off grubs, but the grubs live ddep inside a free, the biiiiird with the longest beak will live the longest and have the most kids. The species will be 'steered' toward having long beaks, those without will die and fail to reproduce. It's no different from what humans do with animals, we just know how to make it happen faster.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35291081]Exactly, the key word is that we "Steered" dogs to be our perfect companions. We directed them to a specific destination, which is not how natural evolution works. Natural evolution has no destination, just a lot of branches and dead ends.[/QUOTE]
Even if you would call it synthetic evolution that doesn't suddenly make the entire race synthetics.
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[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35291048]Can you imagine cows surviving long in the wild?[/QUOTE]
Yes.
What the fuck are you guys even talking about
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35291146]I meant cows as they are. The species you refer to may have been natural, but the current equivalent are not. Once we started selectively breeding them, they became artificial.[/QUOTE][media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2y8Sx4B2Sk[/media]
[QUOTE=benzi2k7;35291142]Yes it is! We're part of nature! What we're doing is a different form of natural selection, it's not just one thing. We're just making directional selection work to our benefit, in the case of "if certain wolf has these traits they will survive better because group of humans will take care of them", we didn't just go kidnap a group of wolves and beat them into submission, wolves that were more timid and less scared of humans came to us first.[/QUOTE]
Selective breeding is not Natural Selection. Natural selection relies on nature removing any offspring that are unsuitable (They die before they reproduce). Selective breeding relies on us choosing the parents to produce the offspring we desire. That's quite a significant difference.
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[QUOTE=jiggu;35291158]Yes.[/QUOTE]
Really?
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35291146]I meant cows as they are. The species you refer to may have been natural, but the current equivalent are not. Once we started selectively breeding them, they became artificial.[/QUOTE]
You do know most cows are just left to their own devices most of the time, right? Those large open fiels they're placed in are pretty much their natural envirnment, just closed off so they can't run away. Badgers and shit can still tr to attack them, but they don't because cows can easily fight them off.
I don't know how much time you've spent around cows but they are certainly NOT defenceless. They usually just don'tgive a shit.
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Why are we talking about cows again?
Why the hell are you guys..
You know what?
I should go
[QUOTE=Scar;35291206]Why the hell are you guys..
You know what?
I should go[/QUOTE]
Oh fuck, they are indoctrinated. Run.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;35291193]You do know most cows are just left to their own devices most of the time, right? Those large open fiels they're placed in are pretty much their natural envirnment, just closed off so they can't run away. Badgers and shit can still tr to attack them, but they don't because cows can easily fight them off.
I don't know how much time you've spent around cows but they are certainly NOT defenceless. They usually just don'tgive a shit.[/QUOTE]
Fields are an artifical environment too. They're designed to provide optimum conditions for cows to grow and reproduce in.
Cows wouldn't stand a chance in the wild.
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