There should be a renegade interrupt for every conversation that allows you to kill whoever you're talking to.
"You're not supposed to call me that Vega."
"Not supposed to salute you either."
*Left click*
"THEN DON'T FUCKING DO IT!"
*Shepard tosses Vega out the window*
"Is that why they took away my ship?"
"You know that's not tru-"
*Left click*
*Shepard snaps Anderson's neck*
Look what came today:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/1AiSi.jpg[/img]
[QUOTE=Swebonny;35343589]Look what came today:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/1AiSi.jpg[/img][/QUOTE]
I massivly Jelly
[SUB][SUB][SUB]Send it to mee[/SUB][/SUB][/SUB]
What's all this about then?:
[img]http://i.imgur.com/0iJK2.jpg[/img]
I think they're just lining us up to be even more disappointed...
[QUOTE=Mackalda2k6;35343158]A few questions I have about the ending. [sp]Is the child god or something? Or just some advanced synthetic AI? Also does it just take the form of the child because its a form the commander will recognize? [/sp]
The ending really just leaves me with no desire to replay the game because [sp]all my efforts cultivate to nothing[/sp][/QUOTE]
So think about this [sp]the god-child says that the reapers are his solution, he created them, then a second later he says that the created will always turn against the creator... So why haven't the reapers turned against him in the millions of years they have existed? I could go on with plothole after plothole[/sp]
The thing is once you finish it you're mad that [sp]nothing you did really matters[/sp] then as you think a read about the ending you get even madder as it becomes clear that BW rushed it and slapped out some "lots of speculation ending" that fails to be coherent.
Y'know, reflecting on my sense of guilt regarding killing the geth and EDI to destroy the Reapers, I have similar regrets concerning Virmire...
I should've left Ashley behind and saved Kaidan, since he's a total badass, and looking at his powers in ME3 makes me wish i'd left Ashley behind instead. I'd rather a soul-Reaving, Cryo-blasting, Barrier-raising badass Sentinel-bro at my side than a soulja-girl with boring-ass gun powers.
Well, I guess that'll be what happens in a future run as a Vanguard Femshep, but that'll only come around when the mood takes me to revisit the earlier games...
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35343881]So think about this [sp]the god-child says that the reapers are his solution, he created them, then a second later he says that the created will always turn against the creator... So why haven't the reapers turned against him in the millions of years they have existed? I could go on with plothole after plothole[/sp]
The thing is once you finish it you're mad that [sp]nothing you did really matters[/sp] then as you think a read about the ending you get even madder as it becomes clear that BW rushed it and slapped out some "lots of speculation ending" that fails to be coherent.[/QUOTE]
in all fairness though the ending did mainly result from Casey Hudson and that other dude whose name I've forgotten basically sitting in a room jerking each other off while the rest of the team pointed out the ending the two produced was shit and that it had to be changed
[QUOTE=Cone;35343959]in all fairness though the ending did mainly result from Casey Hudson and that other dude whose name I've forgotten basically sitting in a room jerking each other off while the rest of the team pointed out the ending the two produced was shit and that it had to be changed[/QUOTE]
I know and god does it show.
Anyone still have that picture of shep, liara and the baby?
[QUOTE=Jackald;35343983]This image made me think, a post-shep-death scene with your love interest being absolutely distraught over your death, maybe taking out a few reapers in death-related-revenge-rage would be fucking awesome.[/QUOTE]
Too bad Shepards death involves being turned into a piece of Data.
[QUOTE=Jackald;35344009]Because the [sp]synthetic[/sp] ending is the only ending...[/QUOTE]
[sp]Control is the best ending.[/sp]
Indoc theory is wild speculation. There is no "Canon" ending. The canon ending is whatever the fuck you believe it to be. I believe it's Control, because my Shepard was a paragon, and always looked for the path of least deaths, and Control has the least amount of deaths, and [sp]No one is forced into a life they never chose[/sp]
[QUOTE=blubafoon;35343987]Anyone still have that picture of shep, liara and the baby?[/QUOTE]
This one?
[t]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/086/6/a/ma_happy_end_by_splintercellsf-d4u3756.jpg[/t]
[editline]29th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Sardonus;35344023][sp]Control is the best ending.[/sp]
Indoc theory is wild speculation. There is no "Canon" ending. The canon ending is whatever the fuck you believe it to be. I believe it's Control, because my Shepard was a paragon, and always looked for the path of least deaths, and Control has the least amount of deaths, and [sp]No one is forced into a life they never chose[/sp][/QUOTE]
You and I have different interpretations of Paragon.[sp] Choosing Control makes me The Illusive Man, essentially enslaving a sentient race to do my bidding, however benevolent that might be. So far as I'm concerned, "Destroy" was, sadly, the only option.[/sp]
But all the options suck anyway.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35344029]
You and I have different interpretations of Paragon.[sp] Choosing Control makes me The Illusive Man, essentially enslaving a sentient race to do my bidding, however benevolent that might be. So far as I'm concerned, "Destroy" was, sadly, the only option.[/sp]
But all the options suck anyway.[/QUOTE]
I find it really interesting how varied our opinions of the Best option are. That's really what I love about these games... discussing with people what we all thought was right. That's actually really cool. :v:
[QUOTE=Sardonus;35343996]Too bad [sp]Shepards death involves being turned into a piece of Data.[/sp][/QUOTE]
either that or [sp]Shepard is effectively a vegetable because 90% of his organs and possibly his brain are now space magic~[/sp]
Haha, just heard about those people who sent red, blue and green cupcakes to bioware, but all the cupcakes taste the same.
Brilliant.
Speaking of the endings. AGAIN
There's only 2 things I want Bioware to clarify. If they clarify this stuff I'm willing to forgive them slightly.
[sp]Shepard's barely breathing body in London in Destroy 4
-Why Joker suddenly decided to hottail it and crash with my teleporting squadmates.[/sp]
I still hate these endings. You won't get a sudden change of heart from me...
But small props to Bioware.
These are the first endings in a while where I've discussed at near endless lengths with friends about morals and what's right and wrong... and how much choice you can leave in one man.
Haven't thought this much in a video game since Deus Ex.
THE FIRST ONE.
The thing that puzzles me is that [sp]doesn't the quarian-geth peace (if you get it) prove that peace between synthetics and organics is possible[/sp]
[QUOTE=Mackalda2k6;35344204]The thing that puzzles me is that [sp]doesn't the quarian-geth peace (if you get it) prove that peace between synthetics and organics is possible[/sp][/QUOTE]
Yep. They just decided to handwave that.
Say, i've checked out the number of enemies that each faction has, and according to the lists, the Geth faction has one enemy less than Cerberus or the Reapers. I'm wondering, if that hole is filled, which enemy should fill the slot; would the Hoppers be a dangerous and annoying foe, or should the Armatures stomp back into battle?
Also I guess that the Catalyst overlooked that factor or didn't realise that this particular alliance was in the fleets.
[QUOTE=Mackalda2k6;35344204]The thing that puzzles me is that [sp]doesn't the quarian-geth peace (if you get it) prove that peace between synthetics and organics is possible[/sp][/QUOTE]
in fairness, it's not guaranteed to last, and knowing the [sp]quarians...[/sp]
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35344029]This one?
[t]http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/086/6/a/ma_happy_end_by_splintercellsf-d4u3756.jpg[/t][/QUOTE]
thanks, just what I was after.
Overly long talk about the endings.
I've been analysing them... and god help me I think a part of me loves this. I love looking over it. I really do.
[sp] I didnt like these endings, and I've been vocal about it. As we all have.
But these endings have made me think more than anything since Deus Ex. Not Human Revolution.
That final choice is evil. Really. THere's no established right, there's no wrong.
I'm analysing everything, having a great time with it. I genuinely like em now, I really do.
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At first glance, I thought Control was the Paragon happy ending. But is it?
In the end, Shepard enslaves an entire race of Synthetics. Something I've been fighting years for to prevent. Something the Quarians learned was a terrible idea. Where all this starts out from. Sure, Organic life is kept the same, and the Geth are spared, but Shepard himself becomes a hypocrite. After everything he fights against, Shepard enslaves a race. The Race itself might be evil, but nonetheless, Shepard enslaves a race to do his own bidding. In any other situation, that's evil. This ending pretty much turns Shepard into the Illusive Man.
So I thought about Destroy. That's better, obviously, isn't it? Reapers are gone. Forever. But at what cost? Complete genocide. The Reapers are completely wiped out, as well as the Geth. What was Saren's goal again? That's right. Eradication of all humanity. Saren hated humans. And he used the Synthetics to try and do it. And in this ending, Shepard does the opposite. An organic, completely destroys all synthetic life. We know for a fact the Reapers are gone for good, but at what cost? The Geth, who in most cases have become a fairly innocent race, are now gone. Is that really worth it?
And finally, Synthesis. This one is the one I'm interested most in. Shepard is offered a chance at peace. A chance to make nice with the Reapers. They agree to leave. Forever. But at what cost?
The sacrifice of organic life. Organic life is merged with Synthetics. And we get peace. But... my problem with this is it fair that one (wo)man can decide the entire fate of Organic life forever? We have no idea how that change would affect us. How people would respond to that. This ending STRONGLY reminded me of Deus Ex. In both Deus Ex games, I was pro-augmentation, as I saw it as a way to advance humanity. But for some reason in Mass Effect, the idea of forcing it on everyone seemed very wrong. We all know famously Jensen never asked for this, but everyone else in game did.
Synthesis to me is the most interesting as well, because in this one, Shepard flat out gives into the Reapers.
Destroy is very similar to Saren, Control is similar to the Illusive Man, but in Synthesis, Shepard does waht the Reapers ask. The Reapers state their goal was to create a new form of life that merged the two sides. And Shepard finally does it.
And the only way to truly achieve peace (Least amount of deaths, no genocide) is by giving into the enemy. This is what I find fascinating.
My thoughts are done.[/sp]
So guys, there's been plenty of speculation of the ending, but what about the future?
[B]Spoilers follow[/B]
[sp]The Mass Relays are destroyed, right? Is that the end of it all, then?
Well, for a start, as we all know, the forces that were stationed in sol for the final assault are trapped. There's no escaping the fact that until they can sort out some way of escaping, most of the galaxy's military forces (what remains of them) are all stuck in a single system. That's kind of bad.
However, I don't think that's the end - For a start, as people have, again, pointed out, the Quarians and Turians should be okay; if some of the Quarian liveships survived, which are capable of producing food, they at least won't starve. It'll probably be incredibly rough, rationing will be strict, and depending on the number of liveships left, they will probably lose the weakest. These are soldiers, though, they should be able to tough it out.
As for the rest of the races, Earth or at least sol should be able to provide them a home until they can escape. They're all basically castaways - The desert island they're stuck on WILL provide for them, but they're going to have to put a lot of work into it.
The homeworlds for the races involved have mostly been devastated by the reapers already, but there should be survivors, probably more than on Earth at least. Thessia will likely be the worst off, but the Reapers won't have had the same amount of time as they did with Earth to harvest the population. Now that they're gone, the homeworlds should be able to rebuild. What they lack in numbers (Due to most of the military being on Earth), they should be able to make up with a greater proportion of skilled workers, as most of the remaining population would have been civilians, including engineers, scientists, etc.
As well as this, the galaxy's colonies and homeworlds wouldn't be completely stranded from each other - The Comm Buoy network (which is independent from the Mass Relay network) would still be up, and any surviving Quantum Entanglement communications should still function. This could mean that the Normandy crew (If living) may have a chance of rescue if and when it becomes possible, depending on where they landed. The Normandy has one such Quantum Entanglement communicator, and since Hackett seems to have survived the events on Earth, they could feasibly make an SOS. Unfortunately, they're low in numbers, and depending on the local wildlife, the dextro crew members may suffer somewhat (Poor Garrus...).
Finally, re-obtaining the technology for inter-stellar travel. FTL speeds, while plausibly being able to carry ships between clusters in close proximity, will not be sufficient in the long-term. A new alternative to the mass relays will be required for Galactic Civilization to be anything like it was before. I can see some solutions, although they would almost certainly take a VERY long time to come true.
Firstly, Reaper tech. In all the endings, even, apparently, the "Destroy" ending, the reapers are still fully intact (Presumably it just kills off their processing to leave behind their "Shell"). This leaves the possibility of building or recovering their FTL technology, which was implied to be much, much faster than anything the other galactic civilizations had ever built. Reaper ships could also plausibly be used as transports (With some redesigning probably necessary), or even as tow ships.
Secondly, rebuilding their own mass relays. An Asari once mentions people laughing in her face at the mention of this, but is it really that implausible? The resources of the majority of the galactic civilizations combined was capable of building the Crucible; building a mass relay is completely different, but, in TIM's words, it's "A significant hurdle". Didn't the Protheans build the Conduit? Building a mass relay could be something for them all to aspire to. It doesn't have to be easy.
This is all, of course, assuming that the mass relays' destruction does not completely wipe out all galactic life. As people point out, in Arrival, the destruction of the Alpha relay resulted in a massive system-destroying explosion, akin to a supernova. Could the destruction of the mass relays at the end of ME3 be any different?
I say it can.
For a start, the destruction of the Alpha relay was caused by a HUGE ASTEROID crashing into it. I argue that comparing the destruction at the end of ME3 to the destruction in Arrival is akin to comparing a controlled demolition to a plane crash. The mass relays were destroyed purposefully by the Crucible. Could the destruction not be controlled in order for it to simply fall apart safely? It's even possible that the energy released in the explosion was deliberately focused onto the next mass relay, causing the chain reaction that eventually destroys them all, while protecting the systems from annihilation.
As well as this, the Alpha relay was always meant to be immensely powerful, shown by its ability to transport objects across HUGE distances compared to any other relay. The explosion that occured in Arrival could be suitable large due to such power.
Also, bear in mind this - The citadel (Catalyst) IS a mass relay. It's shown in two endings to be destroyed, and yet no supernova occurs. The destruction of the mass relays is deliberate, designed, it's intended to destroy them safely. If the Alpha relay was powerful, well, the citadel was built to stretch into Dark space. The fact that Earth was not instantly vaporised as soon as the citadel went boom is evidence that the Alpha Relay could have been a one-off.[/sp]
[editline]29th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=Jackald;35344096]In a series about diversity, different opinions and co-operation, all of the endings are shit:
[sp]Control: Forcibly brianwash your enemy
Synthesis: Homogenize all life in the galaxy
Destroy: Genocide an entire race of people[/sp][/QUOTE]
Didn't that happen with the heretics, though?
[editline]29th March 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35344211]Yep. They just decided to handwave that.[/QUOTE]
Well the whole point of the end is that the Catalyst is wrong. It even says that its solution doesn't work anymore.
Hell, if anything, it took the reapers to bring them together :v:
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35344407]
[sp]This is all, of course, assuming that the mass relays' destruction does not completely wipe out all galactic life. As people point out, in Arrival, the destruction of the Alpha relay resulted in a massive system-destroying explosion, akin to a supernova. Could the destruction of the mass relays at the end of ME3 be any different?
I say it can.
For a start, the destruction of the Alpha relay was caused by a HUGE ASTEROID crashing into it. I argue that comparing the destruction at the end of ME3 to the destruction in Arrival is akin to comparing a controlled demolition to a plane crash. The mass relays were destroyed purposefully by the Crucible. Could the destruction not be controlled in order for it to simply fall apart safely? It's even possible that the energy released in the explosion was deliberately focused onto the next mass relay, causing the chain reaction that eventually destroys them all, while protecting the systems from annihilation.
As well as this, the Alpha relay was always meant to be immensely powerful, shown by its ability to transport objects across HUGE distances compared to any other relay. The explosion that occured in Arrival could be suitable large due to such power.
Also, bear in mind this - The citadel (Catalyst) IS a mass relay. It's shown in two endings to be destroyed, and yet no supernova occurs. The destruction of the mass relays is deliberate, designed, it's intended to destroy them safely. If the Alpha relay was powerful, well, the citadel was built to stretch into Dark space. The fact that Earth was not instantly vaporised as soon as the citadel went boom is evidence that the Alpha Relay could have been a one-off.[/sp][/QUOTE]
I thought everyone knew this already.
Getting annoyed at the people who say that the Relays exploding means all those star systems were destroyed.
[QUOTE=EcksDee;35344491]I thought everyone knew this already.
Getting annoyed at the people who say that the Relays exploding means all those star systems were destroyed.[/QUOTE]
Hell some people have been saying that ALL life in the galaxy will be destroyed despite the fact that the mass relays barely scratch the surface.
Hooray 1 day untill I may get a cool N7 limited edition weapon!
I just hope it isn't a shotgun. I have all the shotguns I will EVER need.
I read that someone on the Bioware Social page predicted the "Destroy" ending 2 years ago in a complete coincidence.
[QUOTE=Tuskin;35344536]I read that someone on the Bioware Social page predicted the "Destroy" ending 2 years ago.[/QUOTE]
With the number of people on BSN odds were in favour of it to be honest.
Started ME2 playthrough on Insanity, and the most annoying part is not trying to stay alive, but running out of ammo every 3 seconds even when constantly headshotting stuff.
I mean, even the basic enemies take 2-3 sniper shots to the head and they MIGHT drop heat sinks that give me back whopping 2 shots? Is this only a problem at lower levels or is ridiculous ammo management the real challenge of Insanity for the whole game?
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