[QUOTE=DX_V;35396631]There was no reason for her to be sexualized in that manner.[/QUOTE]
She was an infiltration unit. It would have had to be able to worm its way into the command structure of a facility, and seduction would have been useful in such a task.
I think the problem with EDI is that the eventual fruition of her relationship with Joker and more importantly her 'humanisation' are in complete contrast to the starchilds explanation of syn-org living together. Bioware set themselves up for an awesome, "But organics and machines can live together" moment at the end but threw it out the window.
[QUOTE=RG4;35396647]If you're not going around melee shit all over the map to whore kills then I guess it's fun, otherwise go fall on a banshee arm.[/QUOTE]
On the other hand, All melee, all krogan silver round is one of the most fun things you can do in the MP
[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;35396645]this makes no sense to me
or at all[/QUOTE]
example time
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/Saren.jpg[/img]
is your first thought, "he looks evil" or "what the fuck is that"
if you have the second reaction, the design doesn't connect with you and has failed
if you have the first the design has ellicited the needed emotional reaction and has succeeded
that is how design works
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;35396678]example time
[img]http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/ec/Saren.jpg[/img]
is your first thought, "he looks evil" or "what the fuck is that"
if you have the second reaction, the design doesn't connect with you and has failed
if you have the first the design has ellicited the needed emotional reaction and has succeeded
that is how design works[/QUOTE]
if they didn't explain why he looked that way i'd be like "why does he look like that"
oh he's just evil, ok
[QUOTE=Cone;35396660]She was an infiltration unit.[/QUOTE]
Sexualized in regards to her clothing after the fact. I understand that her body type was made to do just what you described, which pleasantly surprised me when I first saw the 'explanation' play out.
But once EDI gets into the 'body', there is no reason for her to be wearing skin tight 'Miranda garments'. You'd think with all the practicality and productivity that EDI goes on and fucking on about, that she'd make some pragmatic adjustments to better suit a combat situation, rather than showing off 'dat ass'.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;35396658]But that's the point - the original robot doctor lady needed to come off as human. Her character required a sexy body, she was a robot assassin seductress (???) that needed to blend into humanity.
That makes sense. that is perfectly fine design. EDI then used the body for herself and stripped it of all human paint, but it still has the shape of a body once required to fit in among humans.
not to mention Joker was already pretty attached to EDI when she was the ship. of course he's gonna want to persue a relationship with a fully aware ai now that she has a human body. with something that comes naturally from joker's character, you need to have her be kind of sexy so the romance is identifiable and not a grotesque abomination. if she was a mess of cables and wires and box shapes, she would be pretty hard to take seriously as a character, she needed a body that represented the way players already saw her and how she already came across as a character when she was the ship. i think her body really fits her personality and everything about her new character came naturally and made sense and was appropriate
but oh no a cameltoe!! isnt that only in the extra appearance that's just copied from miranda anyway? nobody complained about miranda
[t]http://brainfuck.square7.ch/stuff/miranda/miranda.png[/t]
you can see the beginnings of a cameltoe on her model too.[/QUOTE]
miranda was a genetically perfect and emotionally crippled mastermind, and her entire subplot focused on her coming to terms with her emotions despite her supposed "perfection"
you can make the argument that her design is there to reinforce the idea that she's perfect, but whatever
it works in theory at least
EDI is a robotic intelligence trying to integrate into organic society. her subplot focused on boning joker and being from the moon.
see the problem
saren is being talked about even after several years now, he's the best villain bioware has ever made, it's no surprise the starchild doesn't live up to him
[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;35396695]if they didn't explain why he looked that way i'd be like "why does he look like that"
oh he's just evil, ok[/QUOTE]
im talking about gut reactions to the image itself, not whatever overanalyzation comes after the fact
that's the job of the writing and the story to fix up
Guys, I'm probably less than halfway through ME3, but I have a question about all the optional quests you get. I probably have 10 or so fetch quests right now for the "Citadel: xxx" and I was wondering if these are things I'm supposed to be able to find on the Citadel or if I'll find most of them on missions?
[QUOTE=Egevened;35396717]saren is being talked about even after several years now, he's the best villain bioware has ever made, it's no surprise the starchild doesn't live up to him[/QUOTE]
except spoiler starkid isn't a villain
he's just a stupid kid
[QUOTE=Rusty100;35396658][t]http://brainfuck.square7.ch/stuff/miranda/miranda.png[/t][/QUOTE]
i figured they just copied miranda's body for her, looks the same and no-one removed it. miranda looks kinda stupid anyway. it's a little different because miranda and to a lesser extent vega were introduced like that, edi was nothing. then they decided to give her a body, like they gave tali a face, and they chose poorly. it doesn't matter if they are a bit other, if they're not supermodels, but they chose the standard super-attractive appearance and it overshadows a lot of her personality with how much of an elephant in the room the sexy robot is.
scorpio mentioned this too, even if it's explained away then it's still what they chose. they chose that background for how she got it, they chose what it looked like from the possibilities, it may have continuity but they still chose it.
^ And he's not really the star child and is fake.
[QUOTE=Jackald;35396720]Edi being sexy could have been a great chance to discuss issues of the soul. We have those qualms from Legion, but EDI is a more immediately "human" character. Can sexuality mean anything to an AI? What does it mean to be in a relationship? That sort of shit.
But yeah, we just got everyone going "OMG EDI U SO SEXI" and Edi going "I DONT UNDERSTAND DIS "LUV" OF WICH U SPEEK"[/QUOTE]
which makes no sense considering that in THAT VERY CONVERSATION she displays the ability to analyze human behavior and history, meaning she should know full well what shepard means and what he's referring to
actually pretty much all of EDI's questions were just her being lazy
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;35396722]im talking about gut reactions to the image itself, not whatever overanalyzation comes after the fact
that's the job of the writing and the story to fix up[/QUOTE]
if i didn't already know who and what he was i'd probably think "what is this nerd shit"
same with any out-of-context image
design needs context and reason i think
this argument fucking sucks, edi and miranda are both awful characters i don't even care why am i posting
[QUOTE=BreenIsALie;35396668]On the other hand, All melee, all krogan silver round is one of the most fun things you can do in the MP[/QUOTE]
Then suddenly you get downed by the same group of enemies you charged into :v:
what really fucking pisses me off is how they have the balls to refer to metropolis as inspiration
this
[img]http://www.filmconfessional.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/metropolis.jpg[/img]
is a symbol of the perversion of the culture of perfection, a mockery of the idea of physical obsession. a monster of steel and wire created by a diseased mind.
did they even watch metropolis or understand the connotations behind the design
[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;35396759]if i didn't already know who and what he was i'd probably think "what is this nerd shit"
same with any out-of-context image
design needs context and reason i think[/QUOTE]
it does, but the general impression you get from them is enough. you don't need to know he's turian, he's some kind of alien or monster. he's got glowing eyes and the facial expression seems human enough to be an evil grin. the robotic arm he's got and the tubes coming out of his head, him compared to the other turian nihlus you have met just screams evil.
without context you can't tell much, but you should still be able to get a decent impression. that's what character art is about.
But dropping the absolutely terrible character designs, I think Quarians design is brilliant. Really reflects their gypsy nature.
[QUOTE=Hamsterjuice;35396759]if i didn't already know who and what he was i'd probably think "what is this nerd shit"
same with any out-of-context image
design needs context and reason i think[/QUOTE]
then you're an anal stick in the mud and should loosen up or something i dont know
if you can't have a gut reaction to an image solely because the image isn't explained then you have emotional problems or something.
[QUOTE=mac338;35396804]But dropping the absolutely terrible character designs, I think Quarians design is brilliant. Really reflects their gypsy nature.[/QUOTE]
gypsy on the surface but going into a british naval style on their ships was interesting. shows two levels of their culture, the face they show to outsiders and the one they show to each other. a pretty good idea really.
[QUOTE=Watevaman;35396723]Guys, I'm probably less than halfway through ME3, but I have a question about all the optional quests you get. I probably have 10 or so fetch quests right now for the "Citadel: xxx" and I was wondering if these are things I'm supposed to be able to find on the Citadel or if I'll find most of them on missions?[/QUOTE]
Some can be found on the citadel, others will be found during missions or from scanning.
EDI was alright, but why is the hair metallic? Wouldn't she fail her infiltration the moment someone touched her hair?
[QUOTE=mac338;35396804]But dropping the absolutely terrible character designs, I think Quarians design is brilliant. Really reflects their gypsy nature.[/QUOTE]
what do you mean, they were just people with lines on their face-
oh
oh yeah, the quarians are cool
[QUOTE=Devodiere;35396820]gypsy on the surface but going into a british naval style on their ships was interesting. shows two levels of their culture, the face they show to outsiders and the one they show to each other. a pretty good idea really.[/QUOTE]
I bet the facial animation team was thrilled too. :v:
I also think Aria's character design is really good, her face reflects her personality really well.
[QUOTE=Novangel;35396827]EDI was alright, but why is the hair metallic? Wouldn't she fail her infiltration the moment someone touched her hair?[/QUOTE]
Her hair is normally like actual hair, but she can harden it into a sort of hair helmet
this is explained like, halfway through the game but hey they did explain it i guess
[QUOTE=Novangel;35396827]EDI was alright, but why is the hair metallic? Wouldn't she fail her infiltration the moment someone touched her hair?[/QUOTE]
She mentions this, she can make it into strands like hair.
Oh, I missed it then.
[QUOTE=Mr. Scorpio;35396814]then you're an anal stick in the mud and should loosen up or something i dont know
if you can't have a gut reaction to an image solely because the image isn't explained then you have emotional problems or something.[/QUOTE]
hey man, no need for petty insults
i think you're taking this way too seriously
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