[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35441726]"good" is 100% subjective, point being whatever they say will be right/canon, whatever the fuck you want to call it, you're just gonna have to deal with it[/QUOTE]
Which would make them poor writers. I'm not sure Bioware wants that kind of reputation.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35441726]"good" is 100% subjective, point being whatever they say will be right/canon, whatever the fuck you want to call it, you're just gonna have to deal with it[/QUOTE]
jesus christ do we have to go over this again
holy fuck
To take a break from the war over the endings, anybody else notice the weird almost-speaking of the Reaper that lands and fires on the Alliance dreadnought in the opening sequence?
When you're running to the spaceport and Virmire survivor says they're going to take out the ship, right before that, the Reaper either lands or walks in and you hear something that sounds like it's yelling or speaking really harshly. Not the usual metallic screeching sounds/sirens of the Reapers.
It's clear Darth has no idea how writing works and still has the 14 year old's view of "if they're professional everything they do must be good".
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35441726]"good" is 100% subjective, point being whatever they say will be right/canon, whatever the fuck you want to call it, you're just gonna have to deal with it[/QUOTE]
Good and bad start being objective when you get players, gaming websites and many others saying that X is bad or Y is good.
[QUOTE=Novangel;35441389]Crucible Mark II is being built.
[IMG]http://i1123.photobucket.com/albums/l545/WhatTheNovar/Cruciblev2.png[/IMG]
The very finest in Anti-Reaper rifles.[/QUOTE]
Valiant is the best sniper rifle, though Black Widow and Widow are also good.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35441527]Whatever they say to be right is right, it's their fucking universe, they MADE it.[/QUOTE]
They made the mass effect universe, but we are allowed to criticise them when they end their trilogy with something that doesn't even fit in their universe.
[QUOTE=Arachnidus;35441791]To take a break from the war over the endings, anybody else notice the weird almost-speaking of the Reaper that lands and fires on the Alliance dreadnought in the opening sequence?
When you're running to the spaceport and Virmire survivor says they're going to take out the ship, right before that, the Reaper either lands or walks in and you hear something that sounds like it's yelling or speaking really harshly. Not the usual metallic screeching sounds/sirens of the Reapers.[/QUOTE]
The sound you're describing is at 1:35. It's more intimidating than most, but I don't hear any language.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd3sD17Ovyk[/media]
[QUOTE=jiggu;35441830]Valiant is the best sniper rifle, though Black Widow and Widow are also good.[/QUOTE]
does me3 have a viper? that was the best and most useful gun in me2. fully upgraded it was a powerhouse and it shot so fast.
Me saying something is bad, from your perspective, is subjective.
But from my perspective it is objective.
I bet that the DLC will be 720p upscaled .bik videos with some cheesy voiceover to explain things.
Also Bioware, this is how you do cutscene to game transition:
[img]http://media.rockstargames.com/rockstargames/img/global/news/upload/cutscene.gif[/img]
What are you guys thinking about the cinematic where Shepard is breathing? Is it somehow supposed to lead to new content, or just showing us that s/he's still a live?
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35441869]Me saying something is bad, from your perspective, is subjective.
But from my perspective it is objective.[/QUOTE]
That's not how it works.
If you have objective reasons as to why something is bad (plot holes, actions which betray the characterisation of the protagonist, etc.) then you're complaints are objective. The story/storytelling is objectively bad in that case.
If your complaint is that it wasn't happy/sad/exciting enough that's subjective and there's no real way to fix that because nothing's relly broken.
Th ending of Mass Effect 3 is objectively bad because it fails in theming, characterisation and storytelling. It may also be depressing but that's not due to the story being told, but how badly the story was told. Or the ending at least.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;35441860]does me3 have a viper? that was the best and most useful gun in me2. fully upgraded it was a powerhouse and it shot so fast.[/QUOTE]
yes and the police use it as a non-lethal deterrant (its crap)
[QUOTE=Swebonny;35441917]What are you guys thinking about the cinematic where Shepard is breathing? Is it somehow supposed to lead to new content, or just showing us that s/he's still a live?[/QUOTE]
It's an added easter egg that doesn't really mean anything because Bioware is indecisive and deep down know that the ending doesn't work.
[QUOTE=Eltro102;35441922]yes and the police use it as a non-lethal deterrant (its crap)[/QUOTE]
That's the Incisor.
[QUOTE=Rusty100;35441860]does me3 have a viper? that was the best and most useful gun in me2. fully upgraded it was a powerhouse and it shot so fast.[/QUOTE]
The Viper is in the game, you get it on Palaven. It's sitting on a crate in the middle of the main base camp.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35441835]The sound you're describing is at 1:35. It's more intimidating than most, but I don't hear any language.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qd3sD17Ovyk[/media][/QUOTE]
Perhaps not language, but it sounds structured and different than normal Reaper noises. I'm almost certain it's not important, just thought it was interesting.
[QUOTE=Janus Vesta;35441920]That's not how it works.
If you have objective reasons as to why something is bad (plot holes, actions which betray the characterisation of the protagonist, etc.) then you're complaints are objective. The story/storytelling is objectively bad in that case.
If your complaint is that it wasn't happy/sad/exciting enough that's subjective and there's no real way to fix that because nothing's relly broken.
Th ending of Mass Effect 3 is objectively bad because it fails in theming, characterisation and storytelling. It may also be depressing but that's not due to the story being told, but how badly the story was told. Or the ending at least.[/QUOTE]
I was talking about objectivity and subjectivity in the philosophical terms.
[QUOTE]Subjectivity: a subject's personal perspective, feelings, beliefs, desires or discovery, as opposed to those made from an independent, objective, point of view[/QUOTE]
[QUOTE]Objectivity: relating to actual and external phenomena as opposed to thoughts, feelings, etc[/QUOTE]
I see the ending as bad, from my perspective it is fact, therfore objective. But from someone else's perspective, my objectivism, is seen as a belief and therefore subjective. The philosophy is better explained in a atheist-theist situation.
[QUOTE=Hellborg 65;35441831]They made the mass effect universe, but we are allowed to criticise them when they end their trilogy with something that doesn't even fit in their universe.[/QUOTE]
I'm curious, is the general consensus over why people don't like the endings because of the plot holes, it's dark, or what? I ask because I'd actually be fine with a dark ending over some generic happy ending.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;35441991]I'm curious, is the general consensus over why people don't like the endings because of the plot holes, it's dark, or what? I ask because I'd actually be fine with a dark ending over some generic happy ending.[/QUOTE]
Most people are fine with the ending being a bit of a downer. Quite frankly, if the ending of the game actually resulted in the Reapers winning, I'd be fine with it if it was handled well.
The problem(s) with the ending are as such:
- Multiple massive plot holes (Starchild, squadmate teleport, etc)
- Breaking of established characters (Shepard & Joker primarily)
- Breaking established themes (Every single ending choice you're given, Synthetics always = bad news, etc)
- Contradicting established lore
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;35441991]I'm curious, is the general consensus over why people don't like the endings because of the plot holes, it's dark, or what? I ask because I'd actually be fine with a dark ending over some generic happy ending.[/QUOTE]
The ending doesn't fit the game at all. They just mix the ending of Deus Ex with space magic. It shits on the believable world that the first 2 games tried so hard to create
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;35441991]I'm curious, is the general consensus over why people don't like the endings because of the plot holes, it's dark, or what? I ask because I'd actually be fine with a dark ending over some generic happy ending.[/QUOTE]
Don't mind dark or sad. It's the plotholes and the fact your choices don't make a difference.
[QUOTE=Swebonny;35441917]What are you guys thinking about the cinematic where Shepard is breathing? Is it somehow supposed to lead to new content, or just showing us that s/he's still a live?[/QUOTE]
While that 'Mass Shift' leak from the other weak is almost certainly BS, it's not a substantial leap to imagine that that any future 'Mass' games will take place substantially after ME3, so that a lot of the consequences of ME3 can be handwaved away.
I'm pretty glad they announced this just before PAX.
The rage at the panel will be fucking delicious.
[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35441869]Me saying something is bad, from your perspective, is subjective.
But from my perspective it is objective.[/QUOTE]
That's because you're too wrapped up in your own opinions to recognise that while you think it's "Bad" other people might think otherwise
[QUOTE=GetBent;35441576]I just can't wait for the further "ENTITLED, GAMING RUINED, COMPLAINING ABOUT FREE DLC" articles after the DLC is just as bad as the ending we got.[/QUOTE]
It's funny because half the sites that have been doing this changed their tune when they realized all of their readers hated the ending.
[QUOTE=Canuhearme?;35441991]I'm curious, is the general consensus over why people don't like the endings because of the plot holes, it's dark, or what? I ask because I'd actually be fine with a dark ending over some generic happy ending.[/QUOTE]
The plot holes, lore contradictions and character conflicts are the main part of my ire. I went into the final battle expecting to die, though I do think it should be possible to survive.
I'm also very annoyed at the deus ex machina, the fact that his reasons and explanations are retarded and the fact that he made the entire conflict of the games irrelevant.
Wait, you guys actually expected BioWare to rewrite the entire ending just to satisfy you? I'm sorry but that's just ridiculous. You can't force an artist to change their vision, you can ask them to explain and clarify their vision but to force them to change it would just be a giant fuck you to the artist, it would be saying that their vision does not matter at all, and they should only work if its in the interest of the consumer rather than the creator.
[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35442102]That's because you're too wrapped up in your own opinions to recognise that while you think it's "Bad" other people might think otherwise[/QUOTE]
No what I said clearly makes the point that I understand that others see differently to me. That doesn't mean I have to change my opinion.
[QUOTE=Jackald;35442121]Or they could pull a SWTOR and make the protagonist of previous games an absolute bitch who is canonized. Lookin' at you Darth Revan.[/QUOTE]
I'm expecting a Dragon Age 2 situation with the next title. Your import will have next-to-no impact, but will alter codex entries, background dialogue etc. Nothing involving characters.
One solution would be to only allow Synthesis saves to carry over, or something like that.
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