Mass Effect Megathread: DING DONG BANNU edition - Games

looks like I rustled Jackald's jimmies because after posting that chatlolg he ran off to calm down despite me making several points as to ways the Ending could have been improved without retconning it completely, acknowledging that it needs to be "fixed"

[QUOTE=Lankist;35442635] You may think that sounds reactionary, but think about all the shitty games you used to always buy and now don't give a shit about. I know I used to think Final Fantasy was amazing. Now, I don't even notice when one of those games comes out, let alone buy it.[/QUOTE] I miss you, Crash Bandicoot ;_;

Have you guys seen this: [url]http://shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/[/url] It's neat

[QUOTE=Jackald;35442552]Darth is such a fucking biodrone.[/QUOTE] How about a little context? Who is Darth? Oh, never mind.

[QUOTE=Framperton;35442709]How about a little context? Who is Darth?[/QUOTE] Me. [editline]5th April 2012[/editline] Well this was an enlightening revelation

[QUOTE=Framperton;35442709]How about a little context? Who is Darth?[/QUOTE] Apparently Darth is a biodrone. Didn't you read the sentence?

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;35442737]Apparently Darth is a biodrone. Didn't you read the sentence?[/QUOTE] Oh hey dark

[QUOTE=darkrei9n;35442737]Apparently Darth is a biodrone. Didn't you read the sentence?[/QUOTE] Yeah, I saw that, had not refreshed the page in a few minutes. So, I'm a little confused; was there any point at all in posting the chatlog? All it was, essentially amounted to two people disagreeing about something on steam that people have been disagreeing about all along in the thread. Am I missing something? Is Darth somehow related to the Bioware Community managers or something?

[QUOTE=Swebonny;35442700]Have you guys seen this: [url]http://shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/[/url] It's neat[/QUOTE] This is fucking awesome [editline]5th April 2012[/editline] I don't like this though "After a brief but unavoidable period of confusion, the newly united organic and synthetic forces devoted their combined resources toward the restoration of the mass effect relays. The survivors of the Normandy were located and recovered some weeks later" They make it sound so easy...

So basically no matter what you do, everything blows the fuck up and everyone dies because they're trapped on planets that definitely couldn't sustain themselves. Man, Shepard is a hero.

[QUOTE=Mobon1;35442797]So basically no matter what you do, everything blows the fuck up and everyone dies because they're trapped on planets that definitely couldn't sustain themselves. Man, Shepard is a hero.[/QUOTE] At least the cycle ends (Although we don't really know if this is actually a good thing or not in the long term)

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35442819]At least the cycle ends (Although we don't really know if this is actually a good thing or not in the long term)[/QUOTE] If the relays really did go supernova, it might have been better to just give up and die. Not particularly "uplifting," that.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35442819]At least the cycle ends (Although we don't really know if this is actually a good thing or not in the long term)[/QUOTE] The idea that inorganic life will destroy organic life no matter what is so fucking stupid there is no reason to believe that AIs wouldn't have stronger emotional intelligence than we do. The ability to empathize is the root of ethics and a higher function of the human brain. Computers could potentially be more moral than humans ever were.

Also, what does synthesis even mean? Do people just get robot shit? Or do they become sort of like the geth, all with the same thought processes and no diversity?

[QUOTE=Mobon1;35442797]So basically no matter what you do, everything blows the fuck up and everyone dies because they're trapped on planets that definitely couldn't sustain themselves. Man, Shepard is a hero.[/QUOTE] Yeah, he is actually. Not every hero can save the day and everyone. If you choose Red, you choose the best of bad choices, and at the very least future species [I]won't have to fear the reapers[/I]. lol [media] [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCZpI5q-5vA&feature=fvst[/url] [/media]

I'm gonna assume that in the stream between Darth and Jackald, that they got naked and did gay things. It makes the whole chat better.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35442854]If the relays really did go supernova, it might have been better to just give up and die. Not particularly "uplifting," that.[/QUOTE] This has been argued over and over and I swear we came to the conclusion that it's possible for the relays to be destroyed without them wiping out the system, and that the Alpha Relay was a one-off caused by a huge-ass asteroid colliding with it? I recall using the analogy, "It's like comparing a controlled demolition with a plane crash"

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35442889]This has been argued over and over and I swear we came to the conclusion that it's possible for the relays to be destroyed without them wiping out the system, and that the Alpha Relay was a one-off caused by a huge-ass asteroid colliding with it? I recall using the analogy, "It's like comparing a controlled demolition with a plane crash"[/QUOTE] To be honest, I recall us having this debate yesterday and the general consensus was that if we go -specifically- by ingame lore (no speculation whatsoever), then every single relay went supernova. Sorry, but in a story like this, this isn't the kind of detail you leave your players to speculate over.

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35442889]This has been argued over and over and I swear we came to the conclusion that it's possible for the relays to be destroyed without them wiping out the system, and that the Alpha Relay was a one-off caused by a huge-ass asteroid colliding with it? I recall using the analogy, "It's like comparing a controlled demolition with a plane crash"[/QUOTE] Is there even an explanation about how the Normandy vacuumed into the explosion?

[QUOTE=Darth_GW7;35442889]This has been argued over and over and I swear we came to the conclusion that it's possible for the relays to be destroyed without them wiping out the system, and that the Alpha Relay was a one-off caused by a huge-ass asteroid colliding with it? I recall using the analogy, "It's like comparing a controlled demolition with a plane crash"[/QUOTE] There is nothing to suggest the relay explosions were harmless, it's purely speculation. Which is such a huge problem with the ending. Everyone in the galaxy could be dead, or not. Earth could be fucked, or not (though it probably is, just saying).

[QUOTE=Greeneyes;35442884]I'm gonna assume that in the stream between Darth and Jackald, that they got naked and did gay things. It makes the whole chat better.[/QUOTE] And why would you assume that.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35442919]To be honest, I recall us having this debate yesterday and the general consensus was that if we go -specifically- by ingame lore (no speculation whatsoever), then every single relay went supernova. Sorry, but in a story like this, this isn't the kind of detail you leave your players to speculate over.[/QUOTE] But that's wrong It's well established that destroying an element zero core causes a huge explosion. At the end of ME3, the ezo cores (the blue balls in the middle of the spinny things) clearly disappear [i]before[/i] they are destroyed. In Arrival, the relay is destroyed with the ezo core still intact. The fact that relay ezo cores are so gigantic is what allowed the alpha relay to destroy an entire system.

[QUOTE=Sector 7;35443001]But that's wrong It's well established that destroying an element zero core causes a huge explosion. At the end of ME3, the ezo cores (the blue balls in the middle of the spinny things) clearly disappear [i]before[/i] they are destroyed. In Arrival, the relay is destroyed with the ezo core still intact. The fact that relay ezo cores are so gigantic is what allowed the alpha relay to destroy an entire system.[/QUOTE] See, here's the problem. We only have one precedent in regards to the destruction of a relay. In Arrival, it was all but bashed into our brains that if a relay is destroyed, for any reason, the resulting energy release is equivalent to a star going supernova. Because we are only given this one specific example, it becomes a rule of the universe that "Mass Effect relays explode with the force of a supernova if they are destroyed." If we are to assume that at the ending of Mass Effect 3 this does NOT take place, then the rules have changed and it was not explained ANYWHERE. Like I said above, "Did I just destroy most of the known galaxy" is not the kind of plot thread you leave hanging.

[QUOTE=Jackald;35443017][img]http://dl.dropbox.com/u/10001051/spacemagic2.jpg[/img][/QUOTE] oh come on it's not even complicated the ending sucks, but assuming the relays destroy everything is dumb

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35443054]See, here's the problem. We only have one precedent in regards to the destruction of a relay. In Arrival, it was all but bashed into our brains that if a relay is destroyed, for any reason, the resulting energy release is equivalent to a star going supernova. Because we are only given this one specific example, it becomes a rule of the universe that "Mass Effect relays explode with the force of a supernova if they are destroyed." If we are to assume that at the ending of Mass Effect 3 this does NOT take place, then the rules have changed and it was not explained ANYWHERE. Like I said above, "Did I just destroy most of the known galaxy" is not the kind of plot thread you leave hanging.[/QUOTE] What? It was not bashed into our brains that if we destroyed a relay it would destroy entire systems. It was bashed into our brains that if we took a giant freaking asteroid and rammed it into a relay, it would go supernova. Even then the Alpha Relay was a primary relay, which means it was more powerful than most other relays and thus had to contain more energy to release.

[QUOTE=Sector 7;35443057]oh come on it's not even complicated the ending sucks, but assuming the relays destroy everything is dumb[/QUOTE] Well in the worst destroy ending it seems like they wipe out all life on all planets in the Galaxy.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;35442700]Have you guys seen this: [url]http://shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/[/url] It's neat[/QUOTE] Reading them with An End, Once And For All playing got me a bit teary. Kinda funny, I've never cried over vidya but another time when I got close was during the ending of Assassin's Creed: Embers. If Bioware fucks up the DLC I guess I'll just try to think of this as the real ending. It's not perfect, but it fixes things.

[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35442919]To be honest, I recall us having this debate yesterday and the general consensus was that if we go -specifically- by ingame lore (no speculation whatsoever), then every single relay went supernova. Sorry, but in a story like this, this isn't the kind of detail you leave your players to speculate over.[/QUOTE] Which is why they're doing this clarification DLC. I don't deny that they messed up by not explaining enough, but at least they're fixing the problem. Personally I don't mind ambiguous endings because, yes, I use my imagination as to what happens next, but I understand that some people want more detail. Not necessarily having everything spelt out to them, but just some indiciation of what the future holds. After an ending you should generally give an idea as to what the near future will be like for the setting - The distant future should almost always be left to speculation.

[QUOTE=Jackald;35442931]In fact, the true paragon ending would be sacrificing this cycle but preserving the info in liara's box for the next cycle so they can take the reapers out with conventional firepower.[/QUOTE] I wanted this, so bad. Ever since ME1. I guess dying a couple missions after Liara makes her box would technically count as this, but it wouldn't be satisfying.

[QUOTE=Swebonny;35442700]Have you guys seen this: [url]http://shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/[/url] It's neat[/QUOTE] If this is what Bioware has planned, or something like it, I can live with that. Closure.