[QUOTE=DX_V;35463738][sp]Destorying the Geth? Fuck that.[/sp][/QUOTE]
You know there's a problem when that's the least shitty of the options presented to you.
[QUOTE=GetBent;35463682]3:50
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlhaDUmL9Ac[/media]
That is a Sovereign class Reaper. And those are Cruisers firing at it.[/QUOTE]
at least 2 cruisers and 1 dreadnought to take out two legs and still leave the reaper in operational condition
[QUOTE=Grim Joker;35463668]Are you deliberately misunderstanding me? I'm not saying in the battle for Earth they would have won. I said if the Cycle would have known that the Reapers were coming, they could have won. Conventional warfare is a possibility. Shit, add a couple hundred more Dreadnoughts to compensate for losses and you're good.
Reapers are not the invincible god machines that everyone makes them out to be. As a poster said up above, a standard cruiser did heavy damage to a Reaper alone. Defeating the Reapers is absolutely possible without a superweapon.[/QUOTE]
You can't just add a couple hundred Dreadnoughts. There were only a few dozen of them to start with. I'm going to assume a Dreadnought is the space equivalent to a Battleship and assume it takes several years and a huge amount of resources to complete. A united galaxy wouldn't be able to put out a few HUNDRED Dreadnoughts in the course of a couple years. Maybe in a couple hundred years, but there wasn't nearly that much time given.
[QUOTE=GetBent;35463682]3:50
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TlhaDUmL9Ac[/media]
That is a Sovereign class Reaper. And those are Cruisers firing at it.[/QUOTE]
Ok...and they didn't destroy it. They wiped off a few tentacles, through concentrated firepower from what I assume is dozens, if not hundreds of ships. Even without their tentacles, Reapers still have a spinal mounted gun that can destroy Dreadnoughts. So now you have a floating gun that can still destroy a couple of your Dreadnoughts.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35463780]
Ok...and they didn't destroy it. They wiped off a few tentacles, through concentrated firepower from what I assume is dozens, if not hundreds of ships. Even without their tentacles, Reapers still have a spinal mounted gun that can destroy Dreadnoughts. So now you have a floating gun that can still destroy a couple of your Dreadnoughts.[/QUOTE]
Before the screen cuts away, you can see explosions rippling up the "spine" of that Reaper. It might have gotten a final shot off, but that thing isn't moving again.
This isn't a plot hole. You can destroy a Reaper if you shoot enough guns at it. However, there are too many Reapers to destroy. You would sustain too many casualties before eliminating them all.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35463780]You can't just add a couple hundred Dreadnoughts. There were only a few dozen of them to start with. I'm going to assume a Dreadnought is the space equivalent to a Battleship and assume it takes several years and a huge amount of resources to complete. A united galaxy wouldn't be able to put out a few HUNDRED Dreadnoughts in the course of a couple years. Maybe in a couple hundred years, but there wasn't nearly that much time given.[/QUOTE]
You're not reading my posts...
Shepard's Cycle fails, and is destroyed. Liara's Box is found by the next cycle. They'll have a warning way in advance. If she goes "BUILD 1500 DREADNOUGHTS LIKE THIS AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BEAT THE REAPERS", that seems like a pretty glaring weakness for what is supposed to be the ultimate source of technology.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35463801]This isn't a plot hole. You can destroy a Reaper if you shoot enough guns at it. However, there are too many Reapers to destroy. You would sustain too many casualties before eliminating them all.[/QUOTE]
The problem is that Bioware didn't make the Reapers in ME3 appear as all-powerful killing machines, like they did with Sovereign. You can't let me take down two Reapers -on foot- and have a codex entry about Capital Ship Reapers going down with concentrated fire from a few dreadnoughts and expect me to feel dread.
The major problem is not a single ship uses their reaper based weaponry. At all. Even the Volus dreadnought which is literally covered head to toe in Thanix cannons.
I still enforce the point if the Turians and Humans used the Thanix cannons on their cruisers and dreadnoughts the Reaper would be seriously fucked up.
[QUOTE=Grim Joker;35463815]You're not reading my posts...
Shepard's Cycle fails, and is destroyed. Liara's Box is found by the next cycle. They'll have a warning way in advance. If she goes "BUILD 1500 DREADNOUGHTS LIKE THIS AND YOU'LL BE ABLE TO BEAT THE REAPERS", that seems like a pretty glaring weakness for what is supposed to be the ultimate source of technology.[/QUOTE]
Maybe. This assumes the next civilizations find the box and know what the hell it's talking about. Most signs of the Reapers weren't found until after the galaxy knew what they were looking for.
However, if the galaxy was able to muster enough guns they could defeat the Reapers.
[QUOTE=Zeos;35463840]Even the Volus dreadnought which is literally covered head to toe in Thanix cannons.[/QUOTE]
Not to mention we didn't even get to see all those cool little 'assets' that we collected. Was hoping to see some Volus Bombers in action.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35463839]The problem is that Bioware didn't make the Reapers in ME3 appear as all-powerful killing machines, like they did with Sovereign. You can't let me take down two Reapers -on foot- and have a codex entry about Capital Ship Reapers going down with concentrated fire from a few dreadnoughts and expect me to feel dread.[/QUOTE]
When do you take down a Reaper Dreadnought on foot? I don't remember that at all.
[editline]7th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=DX_V;35463871]Not to mention we didn't even get to see all those cool little 'assets' that we collected. Was hoping to see some Volus Bombers in action.[/QUOTE]
This I agree with. We should have seen a lot more of the fruits of our labor.
[QUOTE=DX_V;35463871]Not to mention we didn't even get to see all those cool little 'assets' that we collected. Was hoping to see some Volus Bombers in action.[/QUOTE]
I would have liked to see ANY alien forces on the ground. Seriously, other than Wrex's little squad, apparently the entire assault force was made up of humans. Where's my contingent of Geth Primes stomping faces? Where's my tidal wave of Krogan mowing down everything in their path? Where are my Asari commandos ripping Reaper soldiers to pieces with biotics?
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35463862]Maybe. This assumes the next civilizations find the box and know what the hell it's talking about. Most signs of the Reapers weren't found until after the galaxy knew what they were looking for.
However, if the galaxy was able to muster enough guns they could defeat the Reapers.[/QUOTE]
Well since most species in the galaxy in Mass Effect apparently speak english (or there's some kind of small universal translator) it's not that much of a stretch to think that a loud-and-clear message saying "You can outgun them, here's how." found hundreds or maybe even thousands of years before The Reapers actually showed up, the Reapers could be defeated and the Mass Effect Relays and the Citadel could be left in-tact.
So really I'd prefer my Shepard to sacrifice himself to let the next cycle have a shot at beating the Reapers without letting the galaxy get so fucked beforehand.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35463909]I would have liked to see ANY alien forces on the ground. Seriously, other than Wrex's little squad, apparently the entire assault force was made up of humans. Where's my contingent of Geth Primes stomping faces? Where's my tidal wave of Krogan mowing down everything in their path? Where are my Asari commandos ripping Reaper soldiers to pieces with biotics?[/QUOTE]
We got to see them shooting useless missile launchers from a building at a Reaper before being obliterated.
[QUOTE=yawmwen;35463891]When do you take down a Reaper Dreadnought on foot? I don't remember that at all.[/QUOTE]
In this case, I'm talking about their Destroyer units. Shepard and Co. took out two of them with minimal difficulty. These are not Capital Ships, but it doesn't present a particularly intimidating picture of the Reapers.
Add to the examples of Capital ships getting destroyed with a handful of destroyers, and they aren't the boogeymen they used to be.
My Shepard would have blatantly said "Why aren't you guys using your expensive as all hell laser cannons? They're your main weapon...?"
If there wasn't a law on too many dreadnoughts the turians would probably have a shit load of them.
Also, if every civilization is made into one single Reaper, wouldn't the Reapers fail over time if they lost more than one Reaper per war? If they only gain a single Reaper, they'd have to only lose a single Reaper as well to break even.
The Reapers in general just aren't scary after Mass Effect 3. We see a bunch of them get destroyed, and we learn their dumb origin and their dumb motive, and so it's basically just like they're a bunch of powerful spaceships and that's it.
The simple fact is that the reaper's numbers are stated to be [B]legion[/B] (I mean, did you remeber the end of ME2 when we see them en route to the milky way?), our ships clearly are not.
The math is not on our side.
[QUOTE=Zeos;35463960]My Shepard would have blatantly said "Why aren't you guys using your expensive as all hell laser cannons? They're your main weapon...?"[/QUOTE]
I would have liked to see what the Destiny Ascension's main weapon could do.
[editline]7th April 2012[/editline]
[QUOTE=WilhelmScreamer;35463988]The simple fact is that the reaper's numbers are stated to be [B]legion[/B] (I mean, did you remeber the end of ME2 when we see them en route to the milky way?), our ships clearly are not.
The math is not on our side.[/QUOTE]
I would be in full agreement with you if the final cinematic hadn't blatantly shown us [B]vastly[/B] outnumbering the Reaper ships.
[QUOTE=WilhelmScreamer;35463988]The simple fact is that the reaper's numbers are stated to be [B]legion[/B] (I mean, did you remeber the end of ME2 when we see them en route to the milky way?), our ships clearly are not.
The math is not on our side.[/QUOTE]
You do realize legion is a biblical reference and not an actual number, right?
And you realize that Legion was not infinite, right?
And you realize Sovreign was totally talking out of his ass, right?
And you realize that at the end of ME2 and throughout Mass Effect 3 no more than 300 reapers are ever seen at one time, right?
I'm pretty sure the Coalition forces actually outnumber the Reapers by quite a lot.
[QUOTE=JeanLuc761;35463995]I would be in full agreement with you if the final cinematic hadn't blatantly shown us [B]vastly[/B] outnumbering the Reaper ships.[/QUOTE]
That was just the force invading earth, the rest of the galaxy was still under siege at the same time.
I swear if you were to take 4 ships, 2 Human 2 Turian they could possible take out 20 or more reapers just by using the thanix cannon in tandem. Every shot from it has on average a 5 second delay so one ship fires then another. So in a minute they can fire 72 shots per minute.
There's a law on the amount of dreadnoughts but there isn't one on carriers, that's why the humans have a lot of them
[QUOTE=WilhelmScreamer;35464023]That was just the force invading earth, the rest of the galaxy was still under siege at the same time.[/QUOTE]
Actually it's stated that the Reaper forces are amassing at Earth to protect the Citadel. What we saw was probably the majority of their force, if not all of it.
[QUOTE=Dr.C;35464034]There's a law on the amount of dreadnoughts but there isn't one on carriers, that's why the humans have a lot of them[/QUOTE]
Hooray loophole abuse!
-snip, double post-
[QUOTE=Grim Joker;35464036]Actually it's stated that the Reaper forces are amassing at Earth to protect the Citadel. What we saw was probably the majority of their force, if not all of it.[/QUOTE]
No way in hell was that the majority of their forces at all, how could the reapers possibly invade so many planets at one with so many ships per planet with such a small force.
Those additional reapers were probably just other reapers that were in the neighborhood.
[QUOTE=WilhelmScreamer;35464063]No way in hell was that the majority of their forces at all, how could the reapers possibly invade so many planets at one with so many ships per planet with such a small force.
Those additional reapers were probably just other reapers that were in the neighborhood.[/QUOTE]
No. How would Hackett know that they were amassing ALL OF THEIR FORCES if just a couple reapers showed up?
Like I said, the most Reapers we've ever seen at once was about 300, which corresponds with what we saw at Earth.
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