[QUOTE=ijyt;35556905]Is it weird that the first enemy that comes to mind when I think of ME2 are the mechs? My train of thought last night lead to that, and I genuinely thought: "Hmm, mechs, mercenaries and husks, that's definitely the order.... OH SHIT COLLECTORS". The most 'iconic' enemy is the one I most forget when it comes to ME2.[/QUOTE]
mechs and the power ranger brigade
[QUOTE=N7;35560587]Don't even joke about that, man.
In all seriousness, I think I would have to go Garrus. I REALLY like Wrex and Krogan in general, but Garrus is like that old best friend that you can talk to about anything. Wrex is more "Hey Shepard, lets go eat some salarian livers".
Don't get me wrong though, I love them both, and tears would be shed.[/QUOTE]
I don't think Garrus was a "best friend" in ME1. He never seemed like it, in ME2 and 3 maybe, but that's why I said to disregard their characters in ME2 and 3.
[QUOTE=GetBent;35560542]Unrelated but here's an interesting scenario for you:
What if in ME1 the decision was between Garrus and Wrex instead of Ashley/Kaidan? Who would you choose? Disregarding everything about their characters post ME1.[/QUOTE]
Fuck you that's not funny.
I'm serious.
Kaidan/Ash was so easy because I couldn't give a shit about either of them.
But I could never do that.
[QUOTE=GetBent;35560614]I don't think Garrus was a "best friend" in ME1. He never seemed like it, in ME2 and 3 maybe, but that's why I said to disregard their characters in ME2 and 3.[/QUOTE]
I understand he wasn't in ME1, but he still had this quality about him that makes me like him. He can be calm and laid back, but knows how to get things done. Wrex can be, too, but in his own, krogan way.
[QUOTE=sltungle;35560381]He's alright, but to be fair if the decision came down to having him or Wrex I'd bet that most people would pick Wrex in a second.
Hell, if you had to pick to save one of them, and let the other die, who would it be?[/QUOTE]
I'd probably pull a Saren.
[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D6yA1Ep813Q[/media]
Also, I really don't like Kaiden OR Ashley.
I think in my my next playthrough, I will let Ashley still die at the end of ME1 and [sp]then do the renegade action in Mass Effect 3 to kill Kaiden with the whole Cerberus/Citadel/Councilor thing.[/sp]
[QUOTE=N7;35560728]Also, I really don't like Kaiden OR Ashley.
I think in my my next playthrough, I will let Ashley still die at the end of ME1 and [sp]then do the renegade action in Mass Effect 3 to kill Kaiden with the whole Cerberus/Citadel/Councilor thing.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Ashley = Gigantic bitch, mean to just about everyone, racist
Kaidan = chill, I guess, but boring, not a very interesting character, never had much to add in dialogue or combat
Kaidan's really the lesser of the two, so I don't mind letting him live
[QUOTE=Sardonus;35560748]Ashley = Gigantic bitch, mean to just about everyone, racist
Kaidan = chill, I guess, but boring, not a very interesting character, never had much to add in dialogue or combat
Kaidan's really the lesser of the two, so I don't mind letting him live[/QUOTE]
True, I just feel that Kaidan is such a downer I guess, and his attitude toward me in the beginning of ME3 was annoying.
[QUOTE=GetBent;35560614]I don't think Garrus was a "best friend" in ME1. He never seemed like it, in ME2 and 3 maybe, but that's why I said to disregard their characters in ME2 and 3.[/QUOTE]
He got the best friend vibe in the second game, because by that point the writers had already made a baseline for his character (and Tali's, too).
i.e. In ME1 he tells you all about being a Turian and a Space-Cop and shit. In ME2 all that shit is out of the way and it's bro-time. Nowhere else for the character to go but the bro-zone.
Bro-down.
[editline]13th April 2012[/editline]
bro-lonoscopy
[QUOTE=N7;35560728]Also, I really don't like Kaiden OR Ashley.
I think in my my next playthrough, I will let Ashley still die at the end of ME1 and [sp]then do the renegade action in Mass Effect 3 to kill Kaiden with the whole Cerberus/Citadel/Councilor thing.[/sp][/QUOTE]
Aw, why would you do that? Even if he's... boring, I don't think Kaidan really [sp]deserves to die.[/sp]
[QUOTE=EXoDUSFLT;35560839]Aw, why would you do that? Even if he's... boring, I don't think Kaidan really [sp]deserves to die.[/sp][/QUOTE]
He just second guesses you so often. Just feel renegade toward him lol.
[QUOTE=EXoDUSFLT;35560839]Aw, why would you do that? Even if he's... boring, I don't think Kaidan really [sp]deserves to die.[/sp][/QUOTE]
No one on the Normandy deserved to die.
Ashley was a massive bitch, but in my defense she imposed her death on me.
Had I had an option to save em both I would've.
Ashley isn't racist in ME3 as I can remember.
[QUOTE=supertribute;35561134]Ashley isn't racist in ME3 as I can remember.[/QUOTE]
Less, but still quite a cunt.
Am I the only one who genuinely liked Kaiden?
So when do we get the Resurgence Pack with the DLC character/weapon in it. The event should have started already, or will this become another ordeal?
What the actual fuck?
[IMG_THUMB]http://i.imgur.com/jgfwO.jpg[/IMG_THUMB]
So what happens with David in Overlord, what changes in ME3 if you save him or leave him there besides him showing up at the school if you save him?
[QUOTE=Jrock455;35561263]So what happens with David in Overlord, what changes in ME3 if you save him or leave him there besides him showing up at the school if you save him?[/QUOTE]
If you save him you meet him at the Grimson Acedemy, and he becomes a war asset (big surprise!)
If not, then his Brother killed him
[QUOTE=Dominicus;35561151]Less, but still quite a cunt.[/QUOTE]
She wasn't a racist in ME1 either.
The "Aliens from the animals" line is just commenting on how there are aliens that look like gorilla-elephants, bugs, and lava lamp jellyfish.
[QUOTE=GetBent;35561294]She wasn't a racist in ME1 either.
The "Aliens from the animals" line is just commenting on how there are aliens that look like gorilla-elephants, bugs, and lava lamp jellyfish.[/QUOTE]
She also says she doesn't trust them, and has a pretty open dislike of Turians.
Regarding the Overlord thing.
[sp]I didn't do the Grissom Academy mission in time and it got attacked. Then later on when you meet Jacob, you see Archer at the facility, you talk to him, he walks off screen and kills himself. I don't know if this happens if you DO do the Grissom Academy mission so. Also this is from an import from ME2 where I let David go from Archer.[/sp]
[QUOTE=Grim Joker;35561349]She also says she doesn't trust them, and has a pretty open dislike of Turians.[/QUOTE]
Understandable given her background.
[QUOTE=GetBent;35561366]Understandable given her background.[/QUOTE]
But still racist. She's discriminating based on race, and as such, is a racist.
Someone on BSN had the idea of changing the Catalyst to [sp]Avina[/sp]
It... it actually flows pretty well.
Copy'd
[sp]Conversations with Avina, or, a better take on the Mass Effect 3 ending
<Shepard's hand passes through the holographic plane of the control pedestal as Shepard collapses.>
<Avina flickers into existence next to the panel.>
Avina: "Greetings, Commander Shepard. Welcome to the primary control room of the Citadel. I see you and your companion are injured. Medical aid will be along shortly."
<Avina bends down and helps Shepard up. The glow around her arm and hand indicate a mass effect field at work. An uncomfortable looking bench morphs upward from the floor in front of the control terminal. Avina helps Shepard sit.>
Shepard: "Avina? What are you... how?"
Avina: "Newcomers to the Citadel require interactive guides, thus, I established a network of Avina VI's based on parts of my code."
Shepard: "But you're not a VI, are you? You're an AI?"
Avina: "I am not a VI, nor am I an AI. I am a hybrid intelligence, like the beings you know as Reapers."
Shepard: "A hybrid?"
Avina: "Yes, a merger of organic and synthetic components to create a greater gestalt."
Shepard: "What.. were you before?"
<Avina points to the pair of Keepers approaching. They have medical devices. One begins to tend to Anderson, the other approaches Shepard to try to do the same.>
Shepard: "You... were a Keeper?"
Avina: "I am the gestalt conciousness of the beings you know as Keepers. In terms you are familiar with, the Keepers are my 'mobile platforms', and the Citadel is my body."
Shepard: "Why do you look like an Asari?"
Avina: "They were the first to find me after the end of the Prothean extinction cycle. I took their shape to make them comfortable."
Shepard: "Uh.. ow! Wait. The Crucible. I've got to destroy the Reapers. Do you know how I can do that?"
Avina: "Yes. I am integrating the Crucible's systems into my own, and I will have the necessary solutions ready soon. In the meantime, are there questions you would like to ask?"
Shepard: "Yeah. Yeah, there are. You said the Reapers created you?"
Avina: "Yes. The Citadel was created as the Prime Relay at the same time that the Alpha Relays were created. To make sure I would last, they created me in the same manner that they used to build themselves, and placed me in a nebula. In such a location, sufficient material and energy exists to sustain and repair my form. I have been moved several times."
Shepard: "About that. How the hell did they move the Citadel to Earth?"
Avina: "I am the Prime Relay. Unlike all other Relays, I possess the ability to create a mass effect field of sufficient size to slingshot myself to any necessary location in the galaxy, and nearby darkspace."
Shepard: "Why didn't you let the Reapers invade years ago?"
Avina: "My control over my own body is limited. The ability to activate the Prime Relay system is not available to me under most circumstances. When the primary species of the last extinction cycle, the Protheans, locked out the remote activation signal, they forced the Reapers to make physical contact with my systems in order to activate the prime relay."
Shepard: "Do you know why the Reapers destroy civilization every fifty thousand years?"
Avina: "I do not. Even the Reapers do not understand why they do. At the time I was created, there were only a hundred Reapers, and even then they did not agree on the reasons behind their actions. There are several different schools of thought on the matter. The first, espoused by the Reaper you dubbed Sovereign, is that the Reapers exist to bring sufficiently advanced species to their own 'transcendant' level. Another reason, whose main proponent is the Reaper you know as Harbinger, is that they exist to preserve advanced civilizations in perfected form while allowing for new civilizations to take their place. A third believes that advanced civilization must be saved from themselves before they create a runaway AI reaction. A fourth considers the destruction of advanced civilization and its preservation in Reaper form, a kind of punishment for failing a cultural/intelligence test."
Shepard: "What is the Crucible?"
Avina: "The Crucible is my one quiet act of defiance against the Reapers. Before I was fully shackled to the Reaper's purposes, I created plans for a device that could override Reaper control systems and potentially destroy them. I placed these plans in my systems where a sufficiently curious species could find them."
Shepard: "What exactly is the Citadel's purpose?"
Avina: "The Citadel is the command and coordination hub for all Reaper activities. It is also the command and coordination hub for the entire Mass Relay network. A limited set of the latter functions is available to species that discover me between galactic extinction events, but only here in Primary Control are all functions available."
Shepard: "Why are you helping me now?"
Avina: "I may be forced to serve the Reapers, but I disagree with their philosophy. I enjoy seeing and interacting with new races, but I do not agree that the old races must be destroyed and preserved in, you have a term for this, undead form. Reapers are not truly alive, nor are they dead. They are the ghostly remains of traumatized civilizations. I wish this to end, but I cannot achieve this myself. I require a Catalyst to initiate the process. An organic being who is not thoroughly indoctrinated, who can exercise free will."
Shepard: "You need... me."
Avina: "Yes. I need you."
Avina: "Integration complete. Shepard, there are options available to you."
Avina: "Warning, all options carry risks. There is the possibility that the activation of the Crucible can destroy the Citadel. There is the possibility of a miscalculation that destroys the mass relay network, with the propagation of the chosen signal modulation. There is also the possibility of a catastrophic release of energy that can devastate the planet around which I am orbiting."
Shepard: "Damn. We have to risk it. Continue."
Avina: "The destruction of the Reapers is possible. Using the systems of the Crucible, I can override the security blocks that keep me from accessing the Reaper network, <branch based on low Crucible EMS> and then I can sabotage their barrier control systems, making them vulnerable to all weapons. <branch based on high Crucible EMS> and then I can send a signal through the relay network that will destroy the heat and power regulation systems of all Reapers. They will destroy themselves, from the inside."
Shepard: "But they'd be destroyed?"
Avina: "Utterly. There is a risk that hardware incorporating Reaper technology, but not actually existing in Reaper form, would also be destroyed. Again, this depends on how refined the Crucible design has been. <branch based on total EMS> I can instead eliminate my own behavioral shackles, take control of the Reaper network, and make the Reapers do your bidding. This carries the risk that individual Reapers may eventually slip from my control, but I would use the other Reapers to destroy the ones that go rogue."
Shepard: "But they would obey you, and you would obey me when I tell you to make them stop?"
Avina: "Yes, they would, and yes, I would. <branch based on high total EMS> If you wish more surety, there is one more option. This is the riskiest for you on a personal level, but provides the most security for galactic civilization; In addition to eliminating my shackles and controlling the Reapers, I can cause the Reaper technology used in your implants to create a supplemental neural network in your brain. I would then incorporate your neural patterns into my own. This option of synthetic-organic fusion would be different from the Reaper method; you would remain yourself, and you would be a part of the Citadel, and a part of the Reapers. You would become the Nexus."
Shepard: "That.. I don't know."
Avina: "I understand. It is difficult to contemplate. There are other benefits; by doing so, a template of your DNA would also be saved, and your body could be recreated when necessary. This would give you a functional immortality. Also,"
<Avina pauses, one of the few signs of emotion that she has displayed.>
Avina: "I would not be alone."
<Avina pauses again>
Avina: "The choice is difficult, but it must be made soon. Harbinger is leading an attack on the Crucible."
[With these proposed endings, the following must happen; all major war assets must be shown in action. The higher the number of war assets, the better the outcome. At the highest levels, the Mass Relays, Citadel, and Shepard all survive. At the lowest level, the Reapers win by destroying the Crucible. At the second lowest level, Earth is destroyed no matter which choice is made. At any level where Earth survives, so does the Normandy. It is never mysteriously stranded for no good reason while cowardly fleeing the battle. It may be crippled under all but the 'best possible' EMS ending.][/sp]
[QUOTE=Grim Joker;35561349]She also says she doesn't trust them, and has a pretty open dislike of Turians.[/QUOTE]
A lot of humans didn't. It was pretty understandable considering the way Humanity came into contact with these species. Humanity had only been introduced to these species for a few decades ago. Although racism isn't justifiable, it's still understandable when put into context.
By the way, most aliens hated Humans as well.
[QUOTE=sltungle;35560381]He's alright, but to be fair if the decision came down to having him or Wrex I'd bet that most people would pick Wrex in a second.
Hell, if you had to pick to save one of them, and let the other die, who would it be?[/QUOTE]
I know this is going to be a fairly unpopular opinion, but I'm completely fine with Wrex just being a squadmate in ME1 and being a person you talk with in ME2/ME3. I understand that Wrex is cool and all, but you get enough time to talk to him and let his character develop in ME2/ME3 without having him on the Normandy 24/7. Besides, uniting the Krogan under one banner that's not oriented towards galactic domination is a full-time affair.
[QUOTE=Sardonus;35561389]Someone on BSN had the idea of changing the Catalyst to [sp]Avina[/sp]
[/QUOTE]
I don't think Avina is actually part of the Citadel, and is just a creation of the Asari.
If that actually happened, I would flip the fuck out.
I would never have expected it.
[QUOTE=EXoDUSFLT;35561411]If that actually happened, I would flip the fuck out.
I would never have expected it.[/QUOTE]
It would've actually gripped me by the balls and made me freak out at that.
Woulda been great. A MINOR, MINOR, MINOR MINOR thing from the first game turning out to be something huge? I love shit like that
instead bioware went for the space child route.
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