Dota 2 - "slapping your ballsack against the keyboard waiting for the pretty bars above the enemys h - Games

[QUOTE=Gate;35806470]i love some of the new icons [IMG]http://dota2.cyborgmatt.com/newicons/updated_0205/ultimate_scepter.png[/IMG] very close to [IMG]http://media.playdota.com/items/106/icon.jpg[/IMG] also obligatory patch question how does one counter phantom lancer? i thought earthshaker but it seems like echo slam damage isnt increased by illusions[/QUOTE] Isolate him before he multipies into madness. If you manage to stun him and keep him like that at least until he has to flee, then you will only have to deal with some weak illusions he leaves behind. Otherwise, he can just attack someone and send created swarm to other targets. To de-swarm area you can use AoE and Cleave (400% damage taken,remember ?), but if it's late game and he has farm then it's nigh impossible to stop them from coming if he has something to attack. Especially if it's forest. I think Slardar works great against him with Amp Damage (marked & not invisible) and stun. He seems to be a great hard carry, but he also seems to have a couple of critical weaknesses : - BKB = you are easily spotted among your illusions - All you have for chase is slow on Lance, your army ain't scary if it can't reach the target and your base MS is low (290). - good micro is required - current big AoE teamfights (Sand King, Enigma, Tide) meta seems to hurt your game - chance based entirely (sometimes you create army within moments of engaging single enemy, sometimes you will have max triplets during a long gank)

I dont like the new Brewmaster

I really hope valve reconsiders the remake of brewmaster..or at least hold off on it and tweak the colors a bit more before doing anything too hasty. I LOVED the old version and thought he looked fucking awesome but everyone complained of him looking like a rat but I couldn't see it. He looked cool and I feel like the recolor is just bad overall.

[QUOTE=Captain Chalky;35806297]I hope they won't bring items which increase drop rate into TF2. In Dota 2, it works since matches last for quite a long time, so having a bigger chance for a drop at the end of a game is nice. In TF2, it would just encourage idlers. Also, I love the idea of cosmetic changes into your hex animal. (especially cheese)[/QUOTE] So, tell me about these droppable items? What kind of items will they be? If it's just some new cosmetic mask for Juggernaut, or new Hex-animal for Lion, or stuff like that, then I'm fine with them.

Look through Cyborgmatt's blog - there are various armour pieces for characters, weapons with counters, hex animals, couriers, announcers and possibly skins (Tidehunter Orca).

[QUOTE=Bat-shit;35806936]So, tell me about these droppable items? What kind of items will they be? If it's just some new cosmetic mask for Juggernaut, or new Hex-animal for Lion, or stuff like that, then I'm fine with them.[/QUOTE] Yeah, everything is cosmetic. New pieces of clothing, taunts, custom couriers, just extra stuff that doesn't affect gameplay. I think the only gameplay-affecting item is that one that removes you from low priority matchmaking.

I remember them saying they won't be making anything that affects gameplay so only cosmetic items (like skins from league)

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[IMG]http://cloud.steampowered.com/ugc/541800564393849653/0A1A3EE121D5EFDEB08368CD1793B3DD7CE28275/[/IMG] Just trying out Phantom Lancer, and I think I'm in love. I just sent my illusions forward and I leave to farm in their jungle, see my illusions just copying each other and keep pushing. (also giving me creep kills with radiance) Can't wait until he comes out in the real client, just have to watch out for aoe and cleave. But against the bots it went pretty good, even if they have four heroes capable of aoe.

That's probably because of the bug where he duplicates on buildings.

[QUOTE=pvt.meh;35807560]That's probably because of the bug where he duplicates on buildings.[/QUOTE] It's a bug ? Oh :(

[QUOTE=Maruhai;35807604]It's a bug ? Oh :([/QUOTE] Farm jungle/creepwave and send units. When they are low on numbers, attack creepwave that happens to spawn every 30 seconds.

Shame if it's a bug. But I must say that I like how unkillable he feels.

[QUOTE=IAmAnooB;35807690]Shame if it's a bug. But I must say that I like how unkillable he feels.[/QUOTE] Especially if you level Dopplewalk first and micro the illusion. Hell, even old trick of just stopping and making people THINK you casted the Dopplewalk is probably still doable. I wonder if he is competetive pick, he sure does have push, survivability, farm, late game and coupled with Diffusal outclasses Anti-Mage in mana burning. [editline]3rd May 2012[/editline] Can anyone remind me what transfers to illusions in terms of item effects and what does not ? Things like that : - Cleave from Battle Fury - Regen from Heart - Orbs effects besides Diffusal (Deso ? ) - Radiance does transfer, but doesn't stack - Crit etc.

[QUOTE=Tokagero;35807709]Especially if you level Dopplewalk first and micro the illusion. Hell, even old trick of just stopping and making people THINK you casted the Dopplewalk is probably still doable. [/QUOTE] If you cast dopplewalk while running the illusion keeps running in the same direction.

[QUOTE=Glent;35807807]If you cast dopplewalk while running the illusion keeps running in the same direction.[/QUOTE] You can do far more than just make it walk in a straight like, remember, it does damage. Hell, you can even block your target with it.

[QUOTE=Glent;35807807]If you cast dopplewalk while running the illusion keeps running in the same direction.[/QUOTE] Not for long and if there is an obstruction it will either stop at it or curve around it. It seems to have quite good AI, but from what I've noticed it does stop. High level dopplewalk = long duration (8 seconds) = if Illusion stopped, PL is long gone. Mindgames mate, if PL is long gone and he is not around, then that thing that stopped is not Illusion, but him. When they notice, you pop Dopplewalk and go away unharmed while they stun Illusion.

the only thing i dont like about new brewmaster is the insanity face he have in the icon [img]http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Dota2_BrewmasterIcon.jpg[/img] also, it looks like illusions are affected by echo slam :D

[QUOTE=Gate;35807941]the only thing i dont like about new brewmaster is the insanity face he have in the icon [img]http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Dota2_BrewmasterIcon.jpg[/img] also, it looks like illusions are affected by echo slam :D[/QUOTE] [url=http://www.dota2wiki.com/images/a/ac/Brew_ability_primalsplit_10.mp3]I LOVE YOU GUYS![/url]

[QUOTE=Maruhai;35807860]You can do far more than just make it walk in a straight like, remember, it does damage. Hell, you can even block your target with it.[/QUOTE] Yeah, I just meant to what he said about standing still to make people think you cast it. Wouldn't work.

so, is echo slam working on illusions or just phantom illusions or what

are dopplewalk illusions supposed to have higher stats and HP?

[QUOTE=Naught;35807236]I remember them saying they won't be making anything that affects gameplay so only cosmetic items (like skins from league)[/QUOTE] Im fine with that but I really hope it doesnt take over the game like TF2. It will though dont worry :suicide:

[QUOTE=Gate;35806470]i love some of the new icons [img]http://dota2.cyborgmatt.com/newicons/updated_0205/ultimate_scepter.png[/img] very close to [img]http://media.playdota.com/items/106/icon.jpg[/img] also obligatory patch question how does one counter phantom lancer? i thought earthshaker but it seems like echo slam damage isnt increased by illusions[/QUOTE] medusa so uh yeah tuff luck [editline]3rd May 2012[/editline] [QUOTE=Tokagero;35807709]Especially if you level Dopplewalk first and micro the illusion. Hell, even old trick of just stopping and making people THINK you casted the Dopplewalk is probably still doable. I wonder if he is competetive pick, he sure does have push, survivability, farm, late game and coupled with Diffusal outclasses Anti-Mage in mana burning. [editline]3rd May 2012[/editline] Can anyone remind me what transfers to illusions in terms of item effects and what does not ? Things like that : - Cleave from Battle Fury - Regen from Heart - Orbs effects besides Diffusal (Deso ? ) - Radiance does transfer, but doesn't stack - Crit etc.[/QUOTE] no, not sure, no, yes, yes

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boat;35808359]medusa so uh yeah tuff luck [editline]3rd May 2012[/editline] no, not sure, no, yes, yes[/QUOTE] So build Vangaurd (For Illusion survival), Diffusal (for Mana Drain), Radiance (for Pushing/Damage), and maybe a Crit item for luxury? [editline]3rd May 2012[/editline] Oh, and Assault Cuirass.

[QUOTE=RagerTrader;35808460]So build Vangaurd (For Illusion survival), Diffusal (for Mana Drain), Radiance (for Pushing/Damage), and maybe a Crit item for luxury? [editline]3rd May 2012[/editline] Oh, and Assault Cuirass.[/QUOTE] Don't forget Manta. Insult to injury if you are fed.

[QUOTE=Tokagero;35808507]Don't forget Manta. Insult to injury if you are fed.[/QUOTE] "You and what army?" *Pops Manta and kills a few creeps* "Oh."

[QUOTE=RagerTrader;35808460]So build Vangaurd (For Illusion survival), Diffusal (for Mana Drain), Radiance (for Pushing/Damage), and maybe a Crit item for luxury? [editline]3rd May 2012[/editline] Oh, and Assault Cuirass.[/QUOTE] illusions dont benefit from auras

[QUOTE=Gate;35807941]the only thing i dont like about new brewmaster is the insanity face he have in the icon [img]http://www.cyborgmatt.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Dota2_BrewmasterIcon.jpg[/img] also, it looks like illusions are affected by echo slam :D[/QUOTE] His new icon doesn't make the new color look good. The model looks ok and the three spirits look really good. Not a fan of the icon though.

[QUOTE=The Mighty Boat;35808528]illusions dont benefit from auras[/QUOTE] You sure ? They were affected by my Aquila aura, so why not others ?